DMN Blog: Cornerback depth a concern again

[jterrell]

:laugh2:

I got 20 bucks says no way.

I think what he meant to say was signing Springs, firing Wade, hiring Cowher, releasing T.O., handing control of the team over to Stephen and holding a free raffle for the remaining seats in the new stadium ....

would quirt the haters.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

It is not just Springs or bust. There are several others like Leigh Bodden who could fill that role just fine. Bodden might fit better anyways. He played for Detroit last year.

Waitaminit... If the info I'm seeing is correct, I've found the guy I want. I've always liked him and thought he'd make a great vet backup for us, and apparently he's now free. He's somewhat of a local and knows the division.

R.W. McQuarters.

 

[jterrell]

It is always branded as hate if there isn't a glowing perception of anything and everything we do. Very tiresome and so simplistic it is annoying.

No, actually its branded hate when it is consistently critical of every move ever made since Jimmy parted Valley Ranch.

I will admit some "non-haters" get caught in that web because of their take at the time but it is pretty clear who has that hate in their heart this off-season.

Anyone who feels their inclusion isn't warranted merely should look over the 100 or so posts and see how many are positive towards any Cowboys move.

 

[Alexander]

Waitaminit... If the info I'm seeing is correct, I've found the guy I want. I've always liked him and thought he'd make a great vet backup for us, and apparently he's now free. He's somewhat of a local and knows the division.

R.W. McQuarters.

McQuarters is a free agent? I had no idea. Is he great? No, but he is serviceable and can return punts too.

 

[bbgun]

Bringing in players who know the game is never a bad idea. He's not 40, he's 33. Is he going to be a star? No. Is he going to be more productive than Zach Thomas or a rookie? Probably.

Who says we dont draft an ILB and groom him under Brooking for a year and let him split time with Brooking? Then is it such a bad move. We are plugging in pieces. This is a good thing.

So far this offseason, it seems all I hear is how bad JJ is, how we're doomed for next year, and that we never seem to make the right move.

For the umpteenth time, fans noticing that Kitna and Brooking are barely better than the guys they're replacing is not "hate." It's called "reality." They may not technically suck, but there's no reason to get excited, either. The same platitudes you paid to Brooking were probably paid to Zach Thomas at this time last year, so forgive me for showing a little skepticism this time around.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

McQuarters is a free agent? I had no idea. Is he great? No, but he is serviceable and can return punts too.

According to this list, he is. I had no idea either. For some reason I thought the Giants gave him a few more years before last season, but maybe not.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gGIL_PakpCtpcMVUcQH6KV1mvdvAD96LL58G0

 

[jterrell]

According to this list, he is. I had no idea either. For some reason I thought the Giants gave him a few more years before last season, but maybe not.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gGIL_PakpCtpcMVUcQH6KV1mvdvAD96LL58G0

McQuarters has been downright awful at times.

He got 'that pick' against us but the guy has lost his starting job like 3 times in 5 years.

I don't think he can help us at all.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

McQuarters has been downright awful at times.

He got 'that pick' against us but the guy has lost his starting job like 3 times in 5 years.

I don't think he can help us at all.

Well I assume we aren't looking for a starter, but a vet who could play some nickel and fill in if absolutely necessary, plus help the kids learn the game.

I don't know, maybe he's lost a step or two, but I think he was athletic enough to lose one. And the real key is that he'd be cheap, which I assume is what we're looking for. Like Alex said, being able to return punts doesn't hurt, either.

BTW, that pick had nothing to do with it. I've thought for years he'd be a good pickup.

 

[Stash]

For the umpteenth time, fans noticing that Kitna and Brooking are barely better than the guys they're replacing is not "hate." It's called "reality." They may not technically suck, but there's no reason to get excited, either. The same platitudes you paid to Brooking were probably paid to Zach Thomas at this time last year, so forgive me for showing a little skepticism this time around.

I'd consider myself as falling into this category.

I don't 'hate' the Brooking signing, but I'm not crazy about it either. A solid veteran stop-gap player who I hope can hold the fort until a youngster is ready.

I don't 'hate' Kitna but feel that they overpaid for a player they could have gotten for nothing and they could have kept Henry - if for depth alone. I'll feel better if they sign Shawn Springs but as that hasn't happened yet, I don't feel better.

I don't think that qualifies me under the 'hater' label.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

For the umpteenth time, fans noticing that Kitna and Brooking are barely better than the guys they're replacing is not "hate." It's called "reality." They may not technically suck, but there's no reason to get excited, either. The same platitudes you paid to Brooking were probably paid to Zach Thomas at this time last year, so forgive me for showing a little skepticism this time around.

You making comments like Kitna being barely better than Johnson completely justifies what he is saying. Johnson was physically unable to play the position. Kitna is. That right there demonstrates your clear bias.

You just like to *****.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

:laugh2:

I got 20 bucks says no way.

That's not a fair bet Hos. That's like betting someone that you know what's going to be the final score to the game you taped and watched last night.

He'll need to pack his things.

LOL! Excellent!


As for the moves my feeling is what was expressed by some. These aren't ground breaking, revolutionary, moves but they're solid. They upgrade us in some positions we needed to upgrade, as I feel that Kitna will make a far better backup than Brad and Brooking I believe will be better than Thomas in our system. These aren't going to be superstar additions, or anything, but we've got enough superstars anyway. We needed some guys to come in and fill some holes, and needs, and these moves have done that.

If we can get a Springs, Bodden, or even RW to be a 4th corner back on this team I won't be unhappy, in the least, with the addition cause it provides exactly what we need it to, cheap, servicable, depth.

 

[jterrell]

I'd consider myself as falling into this category.

I don't 'hate' the Brooking signing, but I'm not crazy about it either. A solid veteran stop-gap player who I hope can hold the fort until a youngster is ready.

I don't 'hate' Kitna but feel that they overpaid for a player they could have gotten for nothing and they could have kept Henry - if for depth alone. I'll feel better if they sign Shawn Springs but as that hasn't happened yet, I don't feel better.

I don't think that qualifies me under the 'hater' label.

disliking these 2 moves should not make one a hater but haters will inevitably dislike these 2 moves. so hater references may not apply to everyone with said opinion.

i actually am blase about the kitna move but really like the brooking one.

the issue here is this: neither guy makes starter money. they are both just here as insurance pieces.

the cowboys almost certainly will use draft picks at these 2 positions.

but we needed vet warm bodies with proven track records to insure we aren't caught with our pants down as we were with brad johnson and brooks bollinger. kitna has issues but the guy passed for over 4K yards 2 of the past 3 seasons. Brooking is a bit like Zach except he is much taller and healthier. Not a guy we want to plug into the lineup for 5 years but a guy who can fill a role in case we draft another bobby carpenter.

 

[Stash]

disliking these 2 moves should not make one a hater but haters will inevitably dislike these 2 moves. so hater references may not apply to everyone with said opinion.

i actually am blase about the kitna move but really like the brooking one.

Yeah, I'm kind of where you are.

I don't hate either move, but neither excites me either. The good news is that they're both experienced, veteran players. The bad is that neither is a young player with upside.

the issue here is this: neither guy makes starter money. they are both just here as insurance pieces.

Kitna is certainly insurance, and a policy we hope to never need. But I think Brooking starts, at least in the Zach Thomas 'running downs' role.

the cowboys almost certainly will use draft picks at these 2 positions.

but we needed vet warm bodies with proven track records to insure we aren't caught with our pants down as we were with brad johnson and brooks bollinger. kitna has issues but the guy passed for over 4K yards 2 of the past 3 seasons. Brooking is a bit like Zach except he is much taller and healthier. Not a guy we want to plug into the lineup for 5 years but a guy who can fill a role in case we draft another bobby carpenter.

Kitna is for sure a better option than Johnson - not even close. My personal issue there was with giving up Henry when I felt they didn't have to.

I think Brooking will be a solid, not flashy signing.

 

[bbgun]

You making comments like Kitna being barely better than Johnson completely justifies what he is saying. Johnson was physically unable to play the position. Kitna is. That right there demonstrates your clear bias.

You just like to *****.

Um, anybody would look good in comparison to BJ. Even Grossman or Boller. We're setting the bar awfully low here. Just because Kitna has a little more left in his tank than BJ doesn't mean he makes sense for the Cowboys. There I go with that darn "bias" again.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Yeah, I'm kind of where you are.

I don't hate either move, but neither excites me either. The good news is that they're both experienced, veteran players. The bad is that neither is a young player with upside.



Kitna is certainly insurance, and a policy we hope to never need. But I think Brooking starts, at least in the Zach Thomas 'running downs' role.



Kitna is for sure a better option than Johnson - not even close. My personal issue there was with giving up Henry when I felt they didn't have to.

I think Brooking will be a solid, not flashy signing.

I think that people need to get used to the idea that the team is not going to pay starter money to a guy that is not going to start and also that if he brings in FA for the purpose of starting that he will let them go somewhere they can start if they lose there starting job.

We sould have been better off keeping Ferg for depth purposes. He was sent off for the same reason. There is a reason that potential FA want to come and play for Dallas and I think that fact that Jerry is a man of his word is a big part of that.

 

[khiladi]

Concerns about Kitna:

Kitna likes to force the ball and the last thing this offense needs is a guy that isn't reigned in. Turn-overs on offense kill us.... Not only did the offensive line suck in Detroit, Kitna holds on to the ball way too long.

I hope this doesn't mean we aren't changing our philosophy on offense, as far as it concerns our vertical passing game, devoid of a running game.

But he is an upgrade over Johnson...

 

[bbgun]

But he is an upgrade over Johnson...

So is a corpse. Yippee.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

They should go after Joe Burnett in the 4th round of the draft. Great return man on Kick-offs and Punts, could fit into the 4th DB role nicely.

 

[Vintage]

No, actually its branded hate when it is consistently critical of every move ever made since Jimmy parted Valley Ranch.

I will admit some "non-haters" get caught in that web because of their take at the time but it is pretty clear who has that hate in their heart this off-season.

Anyone who feels their inclusion isn't warranted merely should look over the 100 or so posts and see how many are positive towards any Cowboys move.

I hated the Kitna traded when it was rumored to be picks. Especially because Kitna would have been cut, and there were other serviceable backup QBs on the market who wouldn't have come at the cost of a draft pick. When it was announced it came at the price of Henry (who, at best, should be our 4th CB), I became a fan of the move. I'd have been ok if the team cut Henry and added someone else. So essentially, we swapped some garbage with the Lions. OK with that.

Brooking - eh. One of my closest friends is a Falcons game... I've watched plenty of Falcons games the past 4 years. Especially, the last 2. And Brooking looked..... Well, let's just hope we draft an ILB and he is ready from day 1. Because this is, at best, treading water. Brooking may be bigger than Zach, but he is not good in coverage. Now we have 2 ILBs that are probably starters, who cannot cover. And if Ellis starts another year, this is a slow LB core that cannot cover.

Signing Springs, for the right price, I'd like. Veteran CB with some versatility. Newman, Jenkins, Scandrick, Springs, Ball - that's pretty good depth.

 

[Vintage]

It is not just Springs or bust. There are several others like Leigh Bodden who could fill that role just fine. Bodden might fit better anyways. He played for Detroit last year.

Bodden might be a nice addition. But even with a bad year in Detroit (and other than Calvin and Smith, who didn't have a bad year in Detroit?), I think he'll get more money elsewhere than what we'd be willing to pay a 4th CB.