DMN Blog: Cowboys could make room for Matt Jones

[Bob Sacamano]

Even if we were to assume this is true (which I personally don't), wouldn't getting a #3 receiver be worth giving up a late round draft pick?

he's not a #3 WR

All too often, people want to single out Jones' 2007 season and ignore everything else he's done.

because the past is overrated

Investigate why his '07 numbers were as low as they were.

When you're in the coach's doghouse and are deactivated for 4 games and played little in others, your numbers are bound to suffer.

Jones surely isn't blameless, but he's not the sole blame either.

it's already been posted in these threads, one of them at least, he's inconsistent and doesn't have any heart

accountability my friend, learn it, love it

 

[Stash]

he's not a #3 WR

Says you!

It would have to be you who revived this thread.....

because the past is overrated

For some people maybe. I prefer using as much informationas I can before making my decision.

it's already been posted in these threads, one of them at least, he's inconsistent and doesn't have any heart

accountability my friend, learn it, love it

This from the guy wearing the blinders.....

:nolook:

Completely disregard the fact that the Jaguars have no clue what they're doing at wide receiver, give them a free pass in all of this.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Says you!

It would have to be you who revived this thread.....

lol, so did you!

For some people maybe. I prefer using as much informationas I can before making my decision.

useless past information that isn't indicative of future success?

This from the guy wearing the blinders.....

:nolook:

Completely disregard the fact that the Jaguars have no clue what they're doing at wide receiver, give them a free pass in all of this.

I'm wearing the blinders? lol, you can't get past '06

 

[Stash]

lol, so did you!

Where did I do that? I think the guy would at least be Dallas' #3 receiver as soon as he stepped foot on the field.

useless past information that isn't indicative of future success?

No, you attempt to disregard it because it hurts your bashfest. Unlike you, I'm not ignoring his low stats in 2007. I'm including them in the total of what the guy has done to date.

I'm wearing the blinders? lol, you can't get past '06

You're the guy 'cherry-picking' stats and seasons here pal, not me.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

a receiver who's never had more than 50 catches or 700 yards is going to start over someone who has

LOL

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Where did I do that? I think the guy would at least be Dallas' #3 receiver as soon as he stepped foot on the field.

I said that Matt Jones was a top 3 receiver in Jax, and you said he wasn't

No, you attempt to disregard it because it hurts your bashfest. Unlike you, I'm not ignoring his low stats in 2007. I'm including them in the total of what the guy has done to date.

you include all of his stats to mask his terrible, final season

You're the guy 'cherry-picking' stats and seasons here pal, not me.

really? I continue to go back 2 years?

 

[bbgun]

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[Coakleys Dad]

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Right on time.

 

[Stash]

a receiver who's never had more than 50 catches or 700 yards is going to start over someone who has

LOL

Why not? Crayton started in 2007 when he had never done it before. But then again, he fell into a starting role rather than earning it, didn't he?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Why not? Crayton started in 2007 when he had never done it before. But then again, he fell into a starting role rather than earning it, didn't he?

and what has Matt JOnes earned?

a trip to the inactive list

 

[Mr Cowboy]

Why not? Crayton started in 2007 when he had never done it before. But then again, he fell into a starting role rather than earning it, didn't he?

No, when the No. 2 reciver gets injured, the No. 3 recievers becomes the No. 2 reciever. If the Cowboys didn't think that Crayton could handle the job, they had plenty of options.........including making a trade. They didn't make that trade and Crayton played well enough for the team to be pretty darn good.

Keep in mind that Crayton too was making a position change from college. He played in a much, much smaller college than Jones. That is where hard work comes in, to improve your game. That's how you earn a job in the NFL.

The Jags on the other hand had a great record, not because of the help they got from Jones, but from the help they got from the other "bad" recievers, who were coached by clueless coaches. I imagine that if they had started Jones the whole season, they would have been unbeatable, since he is the best reciever on their roster, but the coaches don't like him.

I have no problem bringing this guy in for a look, if he gets cut, but don't put down our guys. I would put our recieving corps against the Jags any day of the week and think that ours is head and shoulders better. So if Jones is their 6th best, why would he be our No. 2 or No. 3 reciever?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

No, when the No. 2 reciver gets injured, the No. 3 recievers becomes the No. 2 reciever. If the Cowboys didn't think that Crayton could handle the job, they had plenty of options.........including making a trade. They didn't make that trade and Crayton played well enough for the team to be pretty darn good.

Keep in mind that Crayton too was making a position change from college. He played in a much, much smaller college than Jones. That is where hard work comes in, to improve your game. That's how you earn a job in the NFL.

The Jags on the other hand had a great record, not because of the help they got from Jones, but from the help they got from the other "bad" recievers, who were coached by clueless coaches. I imagine that if they had started Jones the whole season, they would have been unbeatable, since he is the best reciever on their roster, but the coaches don't like him.

I have no problem bringing this guy in for a look, if he gets cut, but don't put down our guys. I would put our recieving corps against the Jags any day of the week and think that ours is head and shoulders better. So if Jones is their 6th best, why would he be our No. 2 or No. 3 reciever?

but, but, if you take Matt Jones' whole career...

 

[DFWJC]

I've said from the start that as long as we don't have to give anything significant up, it can't hurt to take a look at him.

After that, I really have no idea how he will pan out. The guy is a wildcard and very hard to figure out. He could certainly use a change of scenery....but I have no expectations whatsoever on how he would rate---good or bad.

 

[joseephuss]

No, when the No. 2 reciver gets injured, the No. 3 recievers becomes the No. 2 reciever. If the Cowboys didn't think that Crayton could handle the job, they had plenty of options.........including making a trade. They didn't make that trade and Crayton played well enough for the team to be pretty darn good.

Keep in mind that Crayton too was making a position change from college. He played in a much, much smaller college than Jones. That is where hard work comes in, to improve your game. That's how you earn a job in the NFL.

The Jags on the other hand had a great record, not because of the help they got from Jones, but from the help they got from the other "bad" recievers, who were coached by clueless coaches. I imagine that if they had started Jones the whole season, they would have been unbeatable, since he is the best reciever on their roster, but the coaches don't like him.

I have no problem bringing this guy in for a look, if he gets cut, but don't put down our guys. I would put our recieving corps against the Jags any day of the week and think that ours is head and shoulders better. So if Jones is their 6th best, why would he be our No. 2 or No. 3 reciever?

The Jags hoped that Matt Jones would be better than their 6th receiver. He was given opportunities to be more than the 6th leading receiver on that team and failed. Perhaps the reasons on between the ears. The same reasons that led to a 19 Wonderlic score.

Crayton was given the opportunity to start as the #2 receiver in 2007 and did a good job. I would love for Dallas to find someone that can do a better job, but that is not always the easiest thing to do. At this point it would take essentially a blockbuster trade. It would not be bringing in Matt Jones although Jones is welcome to come in and compete for a roster spot after he gets cut.

 

[Stash]

and what has Matt JOnes earned?

a trip to the inactive list

About as much as Crayton has.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

About as much as Crayton has.

wow, just wow

 

[Stash]

No, when the No. 2 reciver gets injured, the No. 3 recievers becomes the No. 2 reciever. If the Cowboys didn't think that Crayton could handle the job, they had plenty of options.........including making a trade. They didn't make that trade and Crayton played well enough for the team to be pretty darn good.

I don't think you remember the situation correctly.

Who was available when Glenn got hurt at the start of the season? What 'options' did they have then? They were strung along and held up all season by the possibility that Glenn was going to play. Otherwise, they would have placed him on IR and moved on. They waited for Glenn to get healthy, a wait which took all season, and still never happened.

Keep in mind that Crayton too was making a position change from college. He played in a much, much smaller college than Jones. That is where hard work comes in, to improve your game. That's how you earn a job in the NFL.

Again, what job did Crayton 'earn'? The #3 job maybe, not the #2 role he lucked into last season. His prior numbers sure didn't show he 'earned' the right to start.

The Jags on the other hand had a great record, not because of the help they got from Jones, but from the help they got from the other "bad" recievers, who were coached by clueless coaches. I imagine that if they had started Jones the whole season, they would have been unbeatable, since he is the best reciever on their roster, but the coaches don't like him.

Show me the numbers for those other receivers? Fact is, that none of them were number ones. Jacksonville can't field a number 1 receiver under Del Rio. 600 yards is the benchmark for success in Jacksonville under 'Captain Jack'.

I have no problem bringing this guy in for a look, if he gets cut, but don't put down our guys. I would put our recieving corps against the Jags any day of the week and think that ours is head and shoulders better. So if Jones is their 6th best, why would he be our No. 2 or No. 3 reciever?

Be honest, it's Owens and a bunch of guys. Take him and Porter - both team's respective #1's out of it and then tell me it's not a toss-up, actually, it probably favors the Jaguars at that point.

I'm not trying to dump on Crayton here, the guy had a good year. But he is what he is, a posession guy who lacks speed and is ideally a #3. Jones might bring a speed element that Crayton doesn't.

I'm not hung up on who you called #2 and who you called #3. I think this offense could benefit from adding another experienced receiver. Jones' isn't a complete receiver at this point, but I have faith that he'd get better coaching in Dallas than he did in Jacksonville.

 

[DragonCowboy]

Earlier in the thread, some of you are missing the point.

Stash isn't saying that Matt Jones' career so far has resembled Alvin Harper's.

He's saying that based on Jones' first years and Harper's first years, Jones actually has better stats. He's saying that Jones will be better (and who knows, maybe a force like Harper) than what he was with Jacksonville with the higher caliber offensive players at Dallas.

I don't see what the big problem is with bringing Jones in. I doubt he'd really be a very good player, but why not give the guy a chance like Breer said?

 

[JonCJG]

Jaguars | Team waives Thorpe

Vic Ketchman, of Jaguars.com, reports the Jacksonville Jaguars waived WR Craphonso Thorpe.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Jaguars | Team waives Thorpe

Vic Ketchman, of Jaguars.com, reports the Jacksonville Jaguars waived WR Craphonso Thorpe.

Matt Jones is moving up in the world