DMN Blog: Cowboys in Miami... Roy blurb

[Cliff]

The irony of T.O. and R.Williams arriving to the site of the Super Bowl is that, if I had to pick two players least deserving to be at the Super Bowl, based on their putrid play in 2006, and I had to pick one player from Dallas' offense and the other from defense, I would have to pick T.O. and R.Williams, respectively.

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T.O.?!?.... nawwww.... i'd send marco....

Williams? - DEFINITELY!

 

[junk]

So you think Dat is either a liar or doesn't know what he is talking about. It's one thing not to throw someone under a bus vs. going out of his way to explain how things were not what they appear. Dat was a great player because of his smarts and aticipation, know the scheme. He see's and know things average Joe fan does not pick up.

BP once said I can't make a player look as bad or as good as I want. I'm not saying he was trying to do this, but he made a whole defense look bad down the stretch this year. I assume you read Zimmers little snippets about no adjustments ?

So Parcells was making Roy Williams look bad on purpose?

I've certainly heard some good ones, but this one may be the best.

 

[junk]

Facts and people who might actually know be damned!

A radio interview with an ex-player is a fact?

Is Dat huddled in the film room with the coaching staff? I'd be surprised if Dat saw anything more than we saw this year and I doubt he has any idea what kind of coverage schemes were implemented this year.

I'm pretty sure I didn't imagine Roy Williams missing and having TEs make him look foolish all year long.

But, whatever, keep defending him if it helps you get through the day. The coverage shortcomings of Williams and James hurt the team this year.

 

[superpunk]

A radio interview with an ex-player is a fact?

No. Roy's stellar completion pct. allowed and other stats that have been shown over and over again are facts. I'm sure you've seen them, and summarily ignored them or brushed them off as spin. That's what usually happens when facts don't suit opinions.

Is Dat huddled in the film room with the coaching staff? I'd be surprised if Dat saw anything more than we saw this year and I doubt he has any idea what kind of coverage schemes were implemented this year.

I'm pretty sure I didn't imagine Roy Williams missing and having TEs make him look foolish all year long.

But, whatever, keep defending him if it helps you get through the day. The coverage shortcomings of Williams and James hurt the team this year.

You can keep looking at Roy in a vacuum, not in comparison with other safeties. That's fine, that's how you want it, by all means, there's nothing I can do about that. He played pretty bad down the stretch. I know that. So did most of our team. I'm not going to start bash threads for Tony Romo, Julius JOnes, Barber, Newman, etc and declare them crap when the facts say otherwise.

 

[Rampage]

roy's still ducking the press i see.

two flakes representing the cowboys unfortunately

who cares? i would duck the press too, all they do is stir up drama

 

[sbuscha]

The irony of T.O. and R.Williams arriving to the site of the Super Bowl is that, if I had to pick two players least deserving to be at the Super Bowl, based on their putrid play in 2006, and I had to pick one player from Dallas' offense and the other from defense, I would have to pick T.O. and R.Williams, respectively.

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These guys are visiting. News Flash, The Cowboys are not in the SB, TO and RW are not starters in the pro-bowl and it is America anyone can go anywhere anytime. All it takes is money

 

[crazytown41]

So what did Dat say? We're quick to jump to conclusions when we have no idea what he said.

I'm not a "Roy-Hater". I'd just really like to know what he said.

 

[junk]

No. Roy's stellar completion pct. allowed and other stats that have been shown over and over again are facts.

What stats? Completion percentage allowed? Who came up with that? Some guy watching a TV broadcast on his couch? How about TDs allowed?

I'm sure you've seen them, and summarily ignored them or brushed them off as spin. That's what usually happens when facts don't suit opinions.

Actually, I haven't and I'd love to see completion percentage facts from a legitimate source.

I also like how radio interviews and informal "completion percentage" stats are thrown about as "facts" as well.

You can keep looking at Roy in a vacuum, not in comparison with other safeties. That's fine, that's how you want it, by all means, there's nothing I can do about that. He played pretty bad down the stretch. I know that. So did most of our team. I'm not going to start bash threads for Tony Romo, Julius JOnes, Barber, Newman, etc and declare them crap when the facts say otherwise.

Again with the non existent facts.

I could care less how other safeties play. I care how Roy played. Poorly. For the last two seasons. He is a liability in man coverage and not much better in zone. He has poor tackling form. He hasn't been worth the contract extension or the high draft pick used on him. He certainly hasn't been the same player he was his rookie year and TEs routinely make him look silly. Other teams routinely targeted him.

He has shown little to no ability to lead the team and a questionable work ethic off the field.

The baffling thing is that people continue to defend and praise him in spite of his poor play. Oh, but he "hits hard".....I guess that makes up for his glaring weaknesses.

 

[junk]

I'm not a "Roy-Hater".

I'm not either, but I'm also not going to go out of my way to defend someone that played poorly and was a major part of the defensive issues from last year.

 

[Idgit]

The baffling thing is that people continue to defend and praise him in spite of his poor play. Oh, but he "hits hard".....I guess that makes up for his glaring weaknesses.

It's a fact that he had 5 picks this year, and that picks happen in coverage.
It's also a fact that he's in the Pro Bowl, again.

 

[sacase]

A radio interview with an ex-player is a fact?

I would take Dat's opinion of what is going on in the Defense more than I would yours. Dat at least know's what he is talking about. The defense didn't change much from last year. He knows what defeneses are called and what players responsibilities are, not what you think they are.

Is Dat huddled in the film room with the coaching staff? I'd be surprised if Dat saw anything more than we saw this year and I doubt he has any idea what kind of coverage schemes were implemented this year.

Are you huddled in the film room with the coachin staff? I think not. Dat has a lot more knowledge of the game than 99% of us ever will

I'm pretty sure I didn't imagine Roy Williams missing and having TEs make him look foolish all year long.

Newsflash TE's were making ALOT of safties in the league look bad this year! no player is perfect but for some reason people expect Roy to be.

But, whatever, keep defending him if it helps you get through the day. The coverage shortcomings of Williams and James hurt the team this year.

The whole defense played horrible at the end of the season, not just those two players. I remember when Roy was being talked abotu because he lead the NFL in turnovers. The whole defense tanks and he gets the blame. What about all the TD's Newman gave up at the end of the season? Isn't he a shut down corner. Why does Roy have to be a leader? I never understood that. Some people are leaders and some are not. Roy just happens to not be a leader. Doesn't make him a bad guy or a bad player it just makes him not a leader.

 

[superpunk]

What stats? Completion percentage allowed? Who came up with that? Some guy watching a TV broadcast on his couch? How about TDs allowed?

Pct., yards allowed, compiled by people who get paid to do it - by the NFL. 8 TDs allowed. Which is a whole two more than Ed Reed.

I could care less how other safeties play. I care how Roy played.

Clearly. This is the moronic stock phrase of anyone who bashes Roy. They don't want to look at his performance in comparison to other TOP safeties, they want to use hyperbole and conjecture while viewing his performance in a vacuum of what they think the ideal safety should be. Because if you do venture outside that narrow-minded outlook, your whole premise is ****.

Poorly. For the last two seasons. He is a liability in man coverage and not much better in zone. He has poor tackling form. He hasn't been worth the contract extension or the high draft pick used on him. He certainly hasn't been the same player he was his rookie year and TEs routinely make him look silly. Other teams routinely targeted him.

Yawn - more hyperbole and conjecture - that's gotta be true...because....well....because junk said so.

Spare me the nonsense.

 

[Rack]

:laugh2:

Do you expect Dat to throw Roy under the bus? Would you really expect him to tell the media that Roy struggled in coverage last year?

Because if you honestly believe Roy Williams had a good year in coverage (or in general), you are fooling yourself.

Do you actually think people take your word over that of a former NFL linebacker that played with Roy Williams in the same scheme he (Roy) is playing in now?


Yes, you know more then Dat Nguyen on the matter.

 

[junk]

Pct., yards allowed, compiled by people who get paid to do it - by the NFL. 8 TDs allowed. Which is a whole two more than Ed Reed.

Links?

Clearly. This is the moronic stock phrase of anyone who bashes Roy. They don't want to look at his performance in comparison to other TOP safeties, they want to use hyperbole and conjecture while viewing his performance in a vacuum of what they think the ideal safety should be. Because if you do venture outside that narrow-minded outlook, your whole premise is ****.

As if the lame defenses lobbed Roy's way aren't moronic stock phrases. Oh, how does he do compared to other safeties?

Was the Cowboys pass coverage a weakness this year? Yes. Was Williams targeted in the passing game? Yes. A "Top 5" safety shouldn't be a liability.

Yawn - more hyperbole and conjecture - that's gotta be true...because....well....because junk said so.

Spare me the nonsense.

Oh right. I should just roll over and join the horde of Roy Williams superfans. The guy has shown a lack of work ethic and leadership and it has showed up on the field. However, the guy continues to get a free pass and a plethora of excuses.

"Oh if Roy only had a decent FS" "Oh if only Zimmer would use Roy right"

A "top 5" player shouldn't need all these things to fall in his favor to play at a high level.

Honest questions: Was Roy an impact player this year? Did other teams target Roy and the secondary?

I'll criticize anyone that plays poorly, but it blows my mind how vigorously people will come to the defense of Roy Williams.

 

[junk]

Do you actually think people take your word over that of a former NFL linebacker that played with Roy Williams in the same scheme he (Roy) is playing in now?


Yes, you know more then Dat Nguyen on the matter.

Whooosh. That is my point flying completely over your head.

I simply said that you shouldn't expect Dat to come out and say Roy played poorly.

So, since Dat said Roy played good, we should just all accept that as pure, hard fact?

Oh, you've all convinced me. Roy was simply unstoppable this year because he had 5 picks, made the Pro Bowl and hit somebody hard once. Big deal, his performance was hardly spectacular this year.

 

[superpunk]

Links?

The stats have been posted in here 100 times. I'm not posting them again because I don't feel like getting in an enormous debate defending one of the league's best players from idiotic rhetoric and baseless assumptions - combined with the complete stupidity of the group of people who want to look at player performance in a vacuum. If you want them, search them out. Adam's posted the stuff from STATS numerous times. It's not that hard.

Roy finished the year poorly. That is not a trend. The trend for Roy is being a playmaking, badass safety, that is recognized league-wide by peers and coaches (Galloway even expressed surprise - hint, he's surprised because he's a ****** - when he was contacting coaches for his story about the defense, these coaches were NOT down on Roy Williams' abilities imagine that!) as being such a safety.

Debates are useless in the Roy area. One group has facts, support, authoritative quotes - the other has "Roy sucks" in neon lights on their tiny buses, and they're wearing earmuffs.

 

[Rack]

Whooosh. That is my point flying completely over your head.

I simply said that you shouldn't expect Dat to come out and say Roy played poorly.

So, since Dat said Roy played good, we should just all accept that as pure, hard fact?

Oh, you've all convinced me. Roy was simply unstoppable this year because he had 5 picks, made the Pro Bowl and hit somebody hard once. Big deal, his performance was hardly spectacular this year.

Clank. That was my point bouncing off your head.


I don't recall Dat saying Roy played "good". He simply said the fans (that's YOU) don't know *** they're talking about.


And then there's that whole thing about the FACTS Adam posted about Roy's stats compared to those of other safeties in the NFL. Let's not let that clank off your head too.

 

[junk]

The stats have been posted in here 100 times. I'm not posting them again because I don't feel like getting in an enormous debate defending one of the league's best players from idiotic rhetoric and baseless assumptions - combined with the complete stupidity of the group of people who want to look at player performance in a vacuum. If you want them, search them out. Adam's posted the stuff from STATS numerous times. It's not that hard.

Roy finished the year poorly. That is not a trend. The trend for Roy is being a playmaking, badass safety, that is recognized league-wide by peers and coaches (Galloway even expressed surprise - hint, he's surprised because he's a ****** - when he was contacting coaches for his story about the defense, these coaches were NOT down on Roy Williams' abilities imagine that!) as being such a safety.

Debates are useless in the Roy area. One group has facts, support, authoritative quotes - the other has "Roy sucks" in neon lights on their tiny buses, and they're wearing earmuffs.

Too lazy? That is about what I expect from you. All talk, no substance to back it up. You want to talk about facts and all you bring to the table is "The trend for Roy is being a playmaking, badass safety". Oh, good argument.

"One of the league's best players".....I'm not even sure he is one of the league's best safety. Baseless rhetoric that you attempt to claim as "fact", but are too lazy to support.

Where are your "authoritative quotes" and "facts"?

Let's start with the basics. Dallas pass defense. It was ranked 24th in the league in yards allowed. How about touchdowns allowed? Even worse...29th with a total of 25 allowed.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/teamsort/NFL/DEF-PASSING/2006/regular?&_1:col_1=9

You yourself said Roy "only" gave up 8. Well, that is 32% of the touchdowns allowed by the entire defense being directly attributed to Roy.

He had the fewest tackles of his career. He had no sacks and no forced fumbles.

All I could find from Adam was a selective set of stats comparing him against certain other safeties. These are your facts? I'd certainly need something much more comprehensive than that to absolve Roy of all blame. I'd also certainly want more than that before I went off half cocked accusing people of ""Roy sucks" in neon lights on their tiny buses, and they're wearing earmuffs". Nice of you to try to call me ******** in a not so subtle manner. Classy.

The Dallas pass defense obviously struggled this year. At the middle of that was a safety who recently signed a blockbuster deal and proceeded to have one of his worst statistical years to date.

But, go ahead and keep calling me names. It won't improve on Roy's dreadful performance from last year.

 

[junk]

I don't recall Dat saying Roy played "good". He simply said the fans (that's YOU) don't know *** they're talking about.

That goes both ways. Fans that claim Roy is one of the league's top players or that he had a good season obviously don't know what the **** they're talking about either.

And then there's that whole thing about the FACTS Adam posted about Roy's stats compared to those of other safeties in the NFL. Let's not let that clank off your head too.

I'd love a link to this. I certainly can't find it. Does it compare him against all safeties in the NFL?

Is it done by a legit source? Or is it a fan wearing a Roy Williams jersey "charting" it on his couch? Personally, I don't know how anyone other than the coaching staff could provide accurate pass completed against percentages. If someone completely blew a coverage, they might not even show up in the picture, but it'd be their fault.

Should we just absolve him of blame and proclaim his greatness since he sucks, but not as much as everyone else. That reeks of a 9-7, first round loss attitude.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

through 10 weeks, Roy was one of the best defenders in the entire NFL, his 7 takeaways through that span led the league

just think about that for a second junk