DMN Blog: Cowboys ought to give Matt Jones a chance

[igtmfo]

OK between beers tonite I've done my own authoritative research on Matt Jones.

Spring 2008. Police saw guys in a parked car in Fayetteville having too much fun, and discover M. Jones cutting a few lines of cocaine, he was the driver too. (Hey it's Arkansas, what else is there to do, especially in your hometown with your pals? ... Let's arrest the whole state then!)

Jones then has a 2008 season his best ever by far for receptions and yards: 65-761-2 .. although he had more TDs and better average per catch in his three previous seasons.

Spring 2009. As part of his criminal probation for the cocaine plea, M. Jones fails a random test for alcohol. Sez he had a few beers on the golf course.

The worst thing though is before either of the above, here it is:

"Last season (2007), coach Jack Del Rio became increasingly frustrated with Jones' demeanor and work ethic, making him inactive for three games."

The poor demeanor and work ethic is what worries me, not that he came into possession of a little powder ...

 

[The Ominous]

Interesting. I would seperate your choices and put them in the following groups:

All-Injury Team:
Drew Bennett
DJ Hackett
Marvin Harrison
Joe Jurevicius

All-Weed Head Team:
Koren Robinson (founder and president)

All-Drug Connected team:
Brandon Lloyd (not sure if he has done any or not, but here is a great line from his rap album:“Come to my crib, I’ll show you how to break down a quarter and a pound.”)
Koren Robinson
Matt Jones (not on your list)

All-Oldie, but still goodie Team:

Amani Toomer
Marvin Harrison (still awaiting approval)
Ike Hilliard

All-Has been or One year wonder Team:
Dante Hall
Brandon Lloyd
Drew Bennett
Marty Booker
Marvin Harrison (still awaiting approval)

You forgot one.

Future Hall of Famer(s):
Todd Lowber

 

[SLATEmosphere]

Matt Jones runs like he has a load in his pants. It amazes me that he gets any separation at all. He's garbage. Let's all just move on.

 

[Hostile]

Matt Jones runs like he has a load in his pants. It amazes me that he gets any separation at all. He's garbage. Let's all just move on.

I've noticed that whenever anyone tells us as a group to move on we tend to stay longer.

 

[SLATEmosphere]

I've noticed that whenever anyone tells us as a group to move on we tend to stay longer.

Good observation. But it's more like just a handfull of people on here are calling for Matt Jones. Most people on here have some common sense about what we're doing this off-season. It's refreshing.

 

[KingintheNorth]

Good observation. But it's more like just a handfull of people on here are calling for Matt Jones. Most people on here have some common sense about what we're doing this off-season. It's refreshing.

Yeah!!! besides, how are we going to fit Matt Jones on the roster after we sign Michael Vick, bring back Pacman Jones, and ask the NFL to give us a mulligan in the 1998 Draft and give us Randy Moss instead of Greg Ellis. C'mon people, think!

 

[Frozen700]

Reggie Williams for the win

 

[Stash]

Goodell has stated that if teams don't police themselves from continuing to sign players that continue to get in trouble off the field, he'll either fine the teams or take draft picks away....Jerry has one strike against him by signing Pac-rat, who got in trouble and ws suspended.

Again, who was the guy who made those players eligible to play in the league - that'd be Goodell. Good luck penalizing a team for signing a guy that you yourself deemed eligible to play.

San Fran lost a fifth rounder and had their thrid round pick swapped with the bears two years ago for contacting another players agent while still under contract with another team during the season....

That was tampering - it has nothing to do with signing a player with off-field issues. Apples and oranges.

Goodells job is to protect the NFL shield and the brand, the league is run by big money, if the league is perceived as a gangster league full of thugs and criminals, the league loses large revenues by all the negative attention..

No doubt.

But there's no way he could penalize a team for signing a player that he himself reinstated. That's why it hasn't happened and that's why it won't happen. The hypocrisy of it makes it impossible.

 

[Stash]

Good observation. But it's more like just a handfull of people on here are calling for Matt Jones. Most people on here have some common sense about what we're doing this off-season. It's refreshing.

What 'common sense' would that be?

Watching our bunch of unproven receivers continue to struggle and get injured while doing nothing to ensure the team against it?

If that's your idea of 'common sense', I'll pass.

 

[The Quest for Six]

Again, who was the guy who made those players eligible to play in the league - that'd be Goodell. Good luck penalizing a team for signing a guy that you yourself deemed eligible to play.



That was tampering - it has nothing to do with signing a player with off-field issues. Apples and oranges.



No doubt.

But there's no way he could penalize a team for signing a player that he himself reinstated. That's why it hasn't happened and that's why it won't happen. The hypocrisy of it makes it impossible.

This isn't a narrow interpretation... Pacman was reinstated because he met the guidelines set forth for his reinstatement, Dallas traded for him, Pac-rat got into a fight again off the field, league suspended him again and fined the cowboys as a result of the players conduct. At this point NO team has even contacted him about a contract..... you don't think the measures set forth by Goodell doesn't have anything to do with that....teams are put on notice.

By the measures Goodell has taken since becoming the commish, character is becoming more and more as a priority when it comes to teams and the draft, players with character issues are either pushed way down or taken off teams draft boards all together, that's a result of the new conduct policies described by Goodell. Goodell stated that if teams continue to sign players that can't abide by the new guidelines set forth by the Goodell, he'll take measures to correct them, it's not just about players conduct, but the teams that also continue to sign them, it works both ways...

 

[Stash]

This isn't a narrow interpretation... Pacman was reinstated because he met the guidelines set forth for his reinstatement, Dallas traded for him, Pac-rat got into a fight again off the field, league suspended him again and fined the cowboys as a result of the players conduct. At this point NO team has even contacted him about a contract..... you don't think the measures set forth by Goodell doesn't have anything to do with that....teams are put on notice.

Please tell me how much the Cowboys were fined. Thanks

By the measures Goodell has taken since becoming the commish, character is becoming more and more as a priority when it comes to teams and the draft, players with character issues are either pushed way down or taken off teams draft boards all together, that's a result of the new conduct policies described by Goodell. Goodell stated that if teams continue to sign players that can't abide by the new guidelines set forth by the Goodell, he'll take measures to correct them, it's not just about players conduct, but the teams that also continue to sign them, it works both ways...

Draft boards are one thing, given the money and draft picks involved. And it's again - like the 49'ers tampering situation - unrelated to this case.

And - again - Goodell has said that, but he's done nothing of the kind because even he realizes that it would be impossible to punish a team for signing a player that he himself deemed eligible to play.

 

[The Quest for Six]

OK between beers tonite I've done my own authoritative research on Matt Jones.

Spring 2008. Police saw guys in a parked car in Fayetteville having too much fun, and discover M. Jones cutting a few lines of cocaine, he was the driver too. (Hey it's Arkansas, what else is there to do, especially in your hometown with your pals? ... Let's arrest the whole state then!)

Jones then has a 2008 season his best ever by far for receptions and yards: 65-761-2 .. although he had more TDs and better average per catch in his three previous seasons.

Spring 2009. As part of his criminal probation for the cocaine plea, M. Jones fails a random test for alcohol. Sez he had a few beers on the golf course.

The worst thing though is before either of the above, here it is:

"Last season (2007), coach Jack Del Rio became increasingly frustrated with Jones' demeanor and work ethic, making him inactive for three games."

The poor demeanor and work ethic is what worries me, not that he came into possession of a little powder ...

matt Jones has one arrest for drugs use, and people compare that to Pac-man who was involved in thirteen incidents with police, and a shooting and numerous assaults since being drafted and suspended numerous times... you don't want to give him a second chance, but Pac-rat gets a dozen chances and continues to fail..How many times was Michael Irvin arrested???? Oh, but he's a cowboy, so different rules apply..

So two years ago, the coach said he didn't like Matt jones demeanor and work ethic.....hmm where have I heard that before, Leonard Davis in Arizona for one, oh and the recently traded for ROY Williams, but again he's now a cowboy so different rules apply.. When T.O was breaking off routes, rounding off routes, missing team meetings, late for team meetings, dropping league leading passes thrown his way, throwing coaches and players under the bus, getting a three year extension, were you calling for him to be cut, wouldn't that be more of a problem than a guy who has/had an addition..... Were not talking about giving MAtt Jones a multi year deal here, just a try out if he has followed the league guidelines and has shown he's changed... Is that not a risk for a player with his talent.... Josh Hamilton got a second chance, Chris carter got that second chance, Koren Robinson got a second chance, hell, Marc Columbo got that second chance.....nobody want to touch him ith his knee. Comparing Pac-rat to Matt Jones is like comparing apples and oranges, one is a repeated criminal with numerous failed chances, one has an addiction that if, he got the help and showed he's changed, would make a great addition to the cowboy roster, certainly a better chance than some clown off a reality football show, don't you think.. and at what cost---nothing, the contract wouldn't be guaranteed and would be the league minimum..


Matt Jones lead his team last year in receptions, and certainly not trouble in the locker room, which happened to be more than the Cancer, locker room divider, player with diminishing skills,T.O, but again he was a cowboy, so the media(ED AWerder) was lying about the problems in the locker room..... Ed Werder turned out to be right!!! The truth according to T.O, he always tells the truth(SArcasm)... I always get a kick out of that when people state that... So since he was cut, T.O has once again threw the QB, tightend and offensive coordinator under the bus... where did I hear that before, oh yeah, the previous teams he was on... If that's not bad enough, he now states jerry lied to him, gee no surprise there, again T.O must be telling the truth,LOL!!

I think the cowboys should do a background check into Matt Jones first before just dismissing it outright, again you can't take jerry Jones at his word, 90% of the crap that comes out of his mouth is a nonsense..thee great double talker of all time...

 

[The Quest for Six]

Please tell me how much the Cowboys were fined. Thanks



Draft boards are one thing, given the money and draft picks involved. And it's again - like the 49'ers tampering situation - unrelated to this case.

And - again - Goodell has said that, but he's done nothing of the kind because even he realizes that it would be impossible to punish a team for signing a player that he himself deemed eligible to play.

The Pats team, coach were finded and lost a draft pick for spying, Goodell has been even handed with players conduct and teams conduct..


The policy was just enacted a year and half ago, give it time.....if a player gets reinstated if he follows the guidelines set forth by the league, thats' condition fr reinstateent only, but if a team like Dallas continued to resign pac-rat for example and he continued to get in trouble off the field, and dallas continued to resign him if he was reinstaed, then at some point Goodell would punish the cowboys for continuing to resign the troubled player, regardless if the player was reinstated because he met the guidelines for reinstatement or if the cowboys continued to sign troubed players every season and they continued to get in trouble with the law off the field damaging the NFL brand. Just because a player gets reinstated, that doesn't mean a team should sign him, it's an even handed approach by Goodell, if goodell reinstaes a player, he can't say if you sign him, you'll lose a draft pick, that's collusion to keep a player out of the league, to get around that, he'll just punish the team instead if they continue to sign troubled players, it's a legal loophole and an even hand approach

Dallas was Fined the amount due of what Pac-rat would of been paid if he was able to play...I think it was around $140,000

 

[Cowboy Junkie]

Jerry Jones has close ties with Arkansas and also Matt Jones former coach Delrio. he has enough info to make a better informed decision than some one from the outside could make, including media.
at first glance I was thinking get this guy also. he is as young as Hurd and Austin and to this point been a better productive player but maybe there is something there....

AS for Pac man I do not want him back... watched 2 ProsVs Joes with him on it and guys off the street were burning him. I understand that in no way shape or form this is real football but he is a player still in his prime he should have been so far and above the others that it should have stood at . Only thing that stood at is he was not the smartest guy to ever be on that show

 

[Alexander]

Jerry Jones has close ties with Arkansas and also Matt Jones former coach Delrio. he has enough info to make a better informed decision than some one from the outside could make, including media.

And Campo and DeCamillis who coached on the same team with Matt Jones for most of his NFL career.

If we pass, I assume he's got plenty of real reasons why.

 

[Stash]

And Campo and DeCamillis who coached on the same team with Matt Jones for most of his NFL career.

If we pass, I assume he's got plenty of real reasons why.

Definitely true.

There should be no lack of information on their part.

But I'm wondering if it stems from the fact of what Jones was actually caught doing?

Jerry's usually a forgiving type, but since it was cocaine, that may be a deal-breaker for him.

 

[Alexander]

Definitely true.

There should be no lack of information on their part.

But I'm wondering if it stems from the fact of what Jones was actually caught doing?

Jerry's usually a forgiving type, but since it was cocaine, that may be a deal-breaker for him.

We probably are reaching for reasons why.

The real reason may indeed be that Jerry Jones has invested his opinion on Hurd and Austin in a big way. He did state they were reasons why he cut ties with Owens. I don't buy it personally, but that's at least his public story and he probably should follow through on his word.

Getting Matt Jones in here now would be admitting he was A) wrong on both of them or B) not willing to give them the chance. Matt Jones won't play special teams and would chew up a roster spot. So unless Austin or Hurd bomb or are injured, I doubt we will see him in Dallas.

 

[Stash]

We probably are reaching for reasons why.

The real reason may indeed be that Jerry Jones has invested his opinion on Hurd and Austin in a big way. He did state they were reasons why he cut ties with Owens. I don't buy it personally, but that's at least his public story and he probably should follow through on his word.

Getting Matt Jones in here now would be admitting he was A) wrong on both of them or B) not willing to give them the chance. Matt Jones won't play special teams and would chew up a roster spot. So unless Austin or Hurd bomb or are injured, I doubt we will see him in Dallas.

I don't see what progress is happening that signing Jones would somehow impede.

The fact is that once again, Hurd, Stanback, and Austin are watching from the sidelines.

There's a serious pattern of injury with this group. That might not be a big deal now, but when exactly does it become one?

When do you decide to ensure yourself against this injury-prone, unproven, inexperienced group?

Week 5 when Roy Williams suffers his annual injury and misses a few games?

By then it's too late and the cupboard's bare. And anyone you would bring in at that point would be playing ctach-up all season.

Austin has what? 18 catches in 3 seasons? Stanback has 3 in 2 seasons.

And this team is comfortable couting on them for considerable contributions?

I'm not.

I'd rather have some sort of insurance rather than putting all my eggs in one basket. Particularly a 'basket' with this many question marks.

 

[juck]

I kind of like the idea of adding Amani Toomer. I have always respected him. Booker might be the 2nd name on that list for me.

if he wasnt 48 perhaps,lol

 

[Hostile]

if he wasnt 48 perhaps,lol

He's 15 months younger than the schmuck we let go.