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[DallasInDC]

Devil's advocate on trading up for D-Mac

5:06 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008 | Permalink
Tim MacMahon


While I don't think trading up for Darren McFadden is a good idea for the Cowboys, it's not too tough to make a case for such a deal.


Forget about Miami's reported request for Marion "The Barbarian" Barber to be part of the package. The Cowboys might be able to land McFadden by moving up to No. 4. A reasonable offer to the Raiders would be this year's two first-rounders and next year's No. 1.


Too much? Not if you look at Jerry's history with picks in the latter half of the first round.

Would you give up Bobby Carpenter, Marcus Spears and Anthony Spencer for a gamebreaking running back? Those are the Cowboys' last three picks in the late teens-twenties range. We're talking about a good special teamer, a J.A.G. DE and a promising OLB prospect.


The other post-Jimmy era late first-rounders are DE Ebenezer Ekuban, TE David LaFleur and DE Shante Carver. Yuck.


Combine Jerry's lust for his fellow Hog with his lack of confidence in his ability draft a good player in the twenties, and you can at least understand his logic in trying to trade up for McFadden.

I find it amusing that the Tuna and Ireland get credit for all of the good picks over the last three years, yet, JJ is still credited with the bad picks especially those that were obviously tied to the Tuna (Carp/Spears). I didn't realize how bad JJ screwed up those last three drafts with HIS picks.

As for using 3 picks for McFadden....THat is insanely crazy! I can't imagine JJ being that stupid...right

 

[Nors]

Anyone that wants to trade 3 #1's or any combination along with MB3 for red flag MCFadden, mommy and $30M is loopy.

In a deep RB draft.

 

[bbgun]

If Cleveland had tanked and he fell into our laps at #4, then okay. Otherwise, too rich for my blood.

 

[CF74]

Give up Spencer? No way. Give up multiple picks? Forget it. We aren't the Raiduhs, are we?

 

[xpistofer]

Devil's advocate on trading up for D-Mac

5:06 PM Sun, Jan 27, 2008 | Permalink
Tim MacMahon


While I don't think trading up for Darren McFadden is a good idea for the Cowboys, it's not too tough to make a case for such a deal.


Forget about Miami's reported request for Marion "The Barbarian" Barber to be part of the package. The Cowboys might be able to land McFadden by moving up to No. 4. A reasonable offer to the Raiders would be this year's two first-rounders and next year's No. 1.


Too much? Not if you look at Jerry's history with picks in the latter half of the first round.


Would you give up Bobby Carpenter, Marcus Spears and Anthony Spencer for a gamebreaking running back? Those are the Cowboys' last three picks in the late teens-twenties range. We're talking about a good special teamer, a J.A.G. DE and a promising OLB prospect.


The other post-Jimmy era late first-rounders are DE Ebenezer Ekuban, TE David LaFleur and DE Shante Carver. Yuck.


Combine Jerry's lust for his fellow Hog with his lack of confidence in his ability draft a good player in the twenties, and you can at least understand his logic in trying to trade up for McFadden.

in the words of the great Norm Hitzges...

no...no..no no no no...no!!!

 

[Teague31]

mcfadden is a great physical speciman but he has no instincts and thus will be a bust. he is much closer to reggie bush than adrian peterson. mcfadden has always been the fastest guy on the field.. that won't cut it in the nfl... he is not even the best runner on his own team, felix jones is... the nfl has a long list of busts that were physical specimans... i just don't think this guy knows how to run.

 

[khiladi]

Give up Spencer? No way. Give up multiple picks? Forget it. We aren't the Raiduhs, are we?

Why in the hell would Jerry trade Spencer and Carpenter, when Spencer was drafted because Carpenter sucks... are they going to keep Greg Ellis around for years, despite his hanging out with Father Time?

 

[CrazyCowboy]

what a tough decision we have

 

[CF74]

Why in the hell would Jerry trade Spencer and Carpenter, when Spencer was drafted because Carpenter sucks... are they going to keep Greg Ellis around for years, despite his hanging out with Father Time?

At this point I wouldn't even give up Carpenter, we got quality depth at the OLB position. Who is better than Carpenter at the #4 spot?????

Nadien way..

Now if we could only improve our depth at WR, RB, and CB...

 

[Bach]

Only an idiot would give up three #1 picks or a pro bowler and two #1 picks for an unproven rookie.

 

[big dog cowboy]

what a tough decision we have

Actually, no it isn't.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

I believe McFadden isn't worth the time because you don't give up three 1st round picks for a freakin' running back, that's just not smart business... I believe Spencer will be a playmaker in the defense next season, so he doesn't count.

 

[utrunner07]

Barber is not going anywhere unless someone offers us a blockbuster / Herschel Walker type deal and even then he still may not go.

I don't know why so many of you are sold on Marion Barber, yes he plays hard and has lots of heart and I love that, but...he has several glaring weaknesses as well that I personally think will keep him from breaking into that top level of running back. If we could trade barber and a number one (plus a carpernter or something even close to this type of situation) I would do it in a heartbeat. Im pretty confident in how I feel about Barber and his lack of all around abilities though.

 

[ctalker]

I am probably in the vast minority on this board, but I think Mcfadden will be special and worth trying to get if possible.

Having said that, I wouldn't trade away the farm for him. If Jerry can pull off a sly trade, I wouldn't mind at all.

 

[gazmc_06]

I agree that McFadden will be special, but I wouldn't give that much up for him. I would much rather keep Barber, then draft Felix and Talib if possible. Gives us a good RB and a great CB.

 

[slick325]

I think the blogger went a little overboard with the mention of giving up three 1st rounders for Run DMc.

In another thread on this subject, Cowboyszone poster Alexander explained what the offer to the Dolphins would really entail. First, Dallas would tender MBIII at the highest level meaning he would cost a 1st and a 3rd. Second, once he is assigned a value, Dallas would use his value (a 1st and a 3rd) plus the 1st rounder acquired from Cleveland as bait for the #1 overall pick. That would be two 1st's and a 3rd for the Dolphins pick.

That would leave Dallas with Run DMc at #1 and a player to be determined at #28 plus the full compliment of picks from rounds 2-7. In other words, Dallas will still have two 1st round picks and would only have given up MBIII and Cleveland's pick to accomplish it.

Whether it happens or not we'll have to see. But, if Miami accepts the value given to MBIII, as Alexander stated, this is not as far fetched as some may think.

 

[CF74]

I think the blogger went a little overboard with the mention of giving up three 1st rounders for Run DMc.

In another thread on this subject, Cowboyszone poster Alexander explained what the offer to the Dolphins would really entail. First, Dallas would tender MBIII at the highest level meaning he would cost a 1st and a 3rd. Second, once he is assigned a value, Dallas would use his value (a 1st and a 3rd) plus the 1st rounder acquired from Cleveland as bait for the #1 overall pick. That would be two 1st's and a 3rd for the Dolphins pick.

That would leave Dallas with Run DMc at #1 and a player to be determined at #28 plus the full compliment of picks from rounds 2-7. In other words, Dallas will still have two 1st round picks and would only have given up MBIII and Cleveland's pick to accomplish it.

Whether it happens or not we'll have to see. But, if Miami accepts the value given to MBIII, as Alexander stated, this is not as far fetched as some may think.

Perhaps but we aren't living in the days of Tony Dorsette either, this is a pass happy league now. It's a bad move..

 

[slick325]

Perhaps but we aren't living in the days of Tony Dorsette either, this is a pass happy league now. It's a bad move..

I'm not saying it is or isn't a bad move. Merely wanted to explain what the Mort rumor really encompassed.

With the way this trade is proposed in my post, Dallas can still grab a WR or CB with pick #28 and whichever position wasn't grabbed in the 1st could be addressed in the 2nd. Even a trade of a 2nd and 6th for Roy Williams from Detriot, if Jerry chooses to do it.

 

[Cowboys2008]

We don't know what we're doing with 2 #1s, to sit on them would be stupid imo. Even with a guy like Parcells on board, we didn't even know what to do with 2 #1s. If we see a guy we like that much, like a McFadden, I say we should go for it. The only concern I have is us giving up MBIII for him. So I say we should do it, but do it another way and keep that guy who is our heartbeat on our team. Barber doing what he does, McFadden doing what Julius couldn't do and then some, and suddenly our running game is a whole new beast and the vision comes alive.

The thought I have about having both RunDMC and the Barbarian is, just like that we're a running team that teams fear and all the pressure is off Romo and TO to just light it up off play action. Then maybe make a play for Roy Williams, drop Terry Glenn and resign Crayton. If our Oline could be patched up and made to work than it's all come together on offense.

The only other thought I'd have would be forgoing the trade all together and using BOTH #1s on some immediate OLINE help. Everything else is just too risky with Jerry and Wade calling the shots imo.

 

[TheSkaven]

Would you give up Bobby Carpenter, Marcus Spears and Anthony Spencer for a gamebreaking running back? Those are the Cowboys' last three picks in the late teens-twenties range.

The problem is, and I know this is a minority opinion, McFadden will be a J.A.G. himself.

Boy will I be sick if Jerry gives up the farm for McFadden. uke: