DMN: Blog: Devil's advocate on trading up for D-Mac

[CATCH17]

I don't know why so many of you are sold on Marion Barber, yes he plays hard and has lots of heart and I love that, but...he has several glaring weaknesses as well that I personally think will keep him from breaking into that top level of running back. If we could trade barber and a number one (plus a carpernter or something even close to this type of situation) I would do it in a heartbeat. Im pretty confident in how I feel about Barber and his lack of all around abilities though.

Barber makes up for everything he lacks.

I think everyone agrees he cant make it over a long haul the way he runs. Thats why 100% of Cowboys fans want another back to go with him this offseason.

Plus even with his flaws he is still a top NFL RB.

 

[gazmc_06]

I think the blogger went a little overboard with the mention of giving up three 1st rounders for Run DMc.

In another thread on this subject, Cowboyszone poster Alexander explained what the offer to the Dolphins would really entail. First, Dallas would tender MBIII at the highest level meaning he would cost a 1st and a 3rd. Second, once he is assigned a value, Dallas would use his value (a 1st and a 3rd) plus the 1st rounder acquired from Cleveland as bait for the #1 overall pick. That would be two 1st's and a 3rd for the Dolphins pick.

That would leave Dallas with Run DMc at #1 and a player to be determined at #28 plus the full compliment of picks from rounds 2-7. In other words, Dallas will still have two 1st round picks and would only have given up MBIII and Cleveland's pick to accomplish it.

Whether it happens or not we'll have to see. But, if Miami accepts the value given to MBIII, as Alexander stated, this is not as far fetched as some may think.

If that is the case then I would do it, McFadden is going to be a great player IMO. I wouldn't give all our first rounders away, but if we can get him for that then I wouldn't hesitate.

 

[Fletch]

I'm sorry, but I stopped reading after the first couple of sentences. Buncha crap. No way do we give up both our #1's, and next year's #1 for the likes of D-Mac.

He could be the next Ki-jana Carter for all we know.

 

[utrunner07]

Barber makes up for everything he lacks.

I don't think he does, I saw several, 5-7 plays this season where he broke through but just did not have nearly enough speed to make a long run. I think that is something that we really miss. Basically unless barber is inside the 30 he is not going to score with a McFadden type he can score from anywhere.

I think everyone agrees he cant make it over a long haul the way he runs. Thats why 100% of Cowboys fans want another back to go with him this offseason.

I agree, he runs too hard to make it all season, although I do love it. I think that is why HE should be the backup/ change of pace back if we were to keep him...to me its just not worth the risk of having an exhausted back every december and january that is costing us top back money.

Plus even with his flaws he is still a top NFL RB.

I agree, when Barber plays at 100% he is one of the best, but the way he plays is going to limit that, IMO. I am really worried we are going to end up with another player that looked like he was going to be promising so we sign him to a long term high money contract but he will be burned out in a year. I hope Jerry has learned his lesson on that lately....

Im not sure trading Barber is a good idea, just something to think about becuase his value is so high right now...I am just worried we are going to keep him for big money and a long time based on a year and a half of production and a year or two down the road when he is burned out or not able to play at the same level we are still saddled with and can't get rid of him(see Roy Williams).

 

[Chocolate Lab]

If we did trade up for McFadden, it wouldn't be to #1 anyway. Nobody wants the gargantuan contract the #1 overall brings with it. Which is precisely why Parcells is floating these rumors.

Sorry, Bill, you're likely stuck with that albatross. Enjoy giving your middling player $60 million plus.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

There is no way on God's green earth I would give up 3 #1's for McFadden even if all three picks were in the 25-32 range.

I have a few questions.... every year, every team gets x amounts of picks... how many are roles players, how many are bust and how many are impact players?


Barber has established himself as an impact player... a game changer.... too much to risk on potential of one college player.... couple that with extra picks and its just a step in the wrong direction long term

Look at Reggie Bush and the Chargers. No ROI... and they didnt do something ridiculous to get them.


We paid for the Herschel Walker deal with the Galloway deal.

Let it end there.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

I don't think he does, I saw several, 5-7 plays this season where he broke through but just did not have nearly enough speed to make a long run. I think that is something that we really miss. Basically unless barber is inside the 30 he is not going to score with a McFadden type he can score from anywhere.



I agree, he runs too hard to make it all season, although I do love it. I think that is why HE should be the backup/ change of pace back if we were to keep him...to me its just not worth the risk of having an exhausted back every december and january that is costing us top back money.




I agree, when Barber plays at 100% he is one of the best, but the way he plays is going to limit that, IMO. I am really worried we are going to end up with another player that looked like he was going to be promising so we sign him to a long term high money contract but he will be burned out in a year. I hope Jerry has learned his lesson on that lately....

Im not sure trading Barber is a good idea, just something to think about becuase his value is so high right now...I am just worried we are going to keep him for big money and a long time based on a year and a half of production and a year or two down the road when he is burned out or not able to play at the same level we are still saddled with and can't get rid of him(see Roy Williams).

Barber will be fine. His style is fine. He is not taking all the hits... he is giving alot of them. There is a difference. Ask a boxer.... better to be hit hard or to hit someone hard??

Barber with 12-15 carries a game is WELL WORTH whatever we pay him.
Barber is quality not quantity.

 

[ZeroClub]

If we did trade up for McFadden, it wouldn't be to #1 anyway. Nobody wants the gargantuan contract the #1 overall brings with it. Which is precisely why Parcells is floating these rumors.

Sorry, Bill, you're likely stuck with that albatross. Enjoy giving your middling player $60 million plus.

That's a shrewd observation.

 

[iceberg]

If we did trade up for McFadden, it wouldn't be to #1 anyway. Nobody wants the gargantuan contract the #1 overall brings with it. Which is precisely why Parcells is floating these rumors.

Sorry, Bill, you're likely stuck with that albatross. Enjoy giving your middling player $60 million plus.

agreed and a huge part of the problem. this is one big reason why i think there should be a cap on how much a rookie can make w/o even taking the field. it's just stupid for a player to get a bonus bigger than a 10 year vets entire earning history.

the problem is the players would likely never agree to such a stipulation cause they want their big payday. even for a great unknown. how much did jamarcus russell get from al davis and how much did he play his first year? i almost don't want to pick in the top 5 anymore. not because it means we sucked the year before but because of the cap hit and rammifications of a player who's never played an NFL down.

if jones goes nuts and does the madden-esque move to get mcfadden at the cost of at least 2 other 1st round players, i'll have to wonder if he's learned anything at all over the last decade.

 

[BlueStar II]

This is going to get absolutely crazy and its only January.

:starspin Yes, I think you're right, all these McFadden posts are going to be crazy, and it's only January........whoaaaaaa.

 

[slick325]

If we did trade up for McFadden, it wouldn't be to #1 anyway. Nobody wants the gargantuan contract the #1 overall brings with it. Which is precisely why Parcells is floating these rumors.

Sorry, Bill, you're likely stuck with that albatross. Enjoy giving your middling player $60 million plus.

I agree with ZeroClub and Iceberg, very valid point.

But with Jerry, one never knows what he'll pull in order to make a splash. Especially when he has his mind set on something. (e.g. the firing of Jimmy Johnson, the hiring of Barry Switzer, the signing of Deion Sanders and the signing of T.O.)

 

[jterrell]

Again these Barber to Miami for DMac rumors come from Parcells. It is obvious in that his pet toad is the purveyor of them.

He knows Jerry loves the Hogs and DMac. He wants to drive up what would be non-existent interest in pick 1. But Dallas is not offering much to go up to number 1 overall... certainly not enough to get the deal done.

We are definitely not trading two firsts and Marion Barber to the Phins for that selection. That is a pipe dream that makes Bill Parcells giddy as a school girl.

Jerry learned under Parcells how to run drafts and there will be less trading of picks to acquire singular players. You are never going to hit on all your picks but you start trading away picks and then you can't hit on anyone.

 

[Marktui]

I find it amusing that the Tuna and Ireland get credit for all of the good picks over the last three years, yet, JJ is still credited with the bad picks especially those that were obviously tied to the Tuna (Carp/Spears). I didn't realize how bad JJ screwed up those last three drafts with HIS picks.

As for using 3 picks for McFadden....THat is insanely crazy! I can't imagine JJ being that stupid...right

Wasn't BP pushing to get Spears with the 11th pick, because he was the guy that we needed in order to convert to the 3-4 Defense..........

 

[iceberg]

Wasn't BP pushing to get Spears with the 11th pick, because he was the guy that we needed in order to convert to the 3-4 Defense..........

too many people want to revise history to fit their preferences.

yes, bp made some great picks while he was here. he made some boners too.
yes, jones made some boners in his day but he's made some damn good calls too.

it gets confusing from there when people take a sport they can't participate in personal.