DMN Blog: Irvin: Rod Woodson not a first ballot Hall of Famer

[percyhoward]

Irvin's said some stupid things the last few months or so, hasn't he.

 

[AdamJT13]

Michael played all of four games including one Super Bowl against Pittsburgh. The Super Bowl, by the way, was Woodson's first game since suffering a torn ACL in the season opener. Woodson was the first player in league history to return from such an injury in the same season he suffered it.

Now Irvin had some big numbers in his three regular season games against Pittsburgh. In fact, he had 100-yard games every time. I'm sure some of those catches came against Woodson.

I know of the three touchdowns Irvin scored, at least one came against Donnell Woolford. I have no way of finding out who was covering him on the other two.

That's some shoddy research by Cowlishaw.

Irvin played five games against Pittsburgh, not four. And Woodson didn't play for Pittsburgh in 1997, one of the games Cowlishaw is including among his "four" games. He's not including the first game of Irvin's career, which happened to come against Woodson and the Steelers.

Woodson played for the 49ers, not the Steelers, in 1997. And we did play the 49ers that season, too. So Irvin played five games against Woodson, not four — and one of the four that Cowlishaw is using didn't involve Woodson at all.

 

[theebs]

Irvin's said some stupid things the last few months or so, hasn't he.

Anything to keep his name out there, at the end of the day he likes hearing people talk about him and he needs to keep his name out there for that show to get off the ground.

 

[Rudy]

I didn't hear the interview, but I'm sure Irvin had to have more to his argument than the "intimidation" line. The beauty of journalism! Either way, Woodson is a hall of famer and deserves to be - but Irvin probably had to ask himself "How does a guy that I beat and have more rings than, get in on the first ballot and I had to wait?"

 

[DuaneThomas71]

That's really stretching it.

Woodson was a better cover corner than Deion or Darrell Green.

 

[The Panch]

Irvin's obviously bitter. I guess we should take Reggie White out of the HOF and replace his spot with Erik Williams, cause he made him his chick every time they played.

That's really stretching it.

Woodson was a better cover corner than Deion or Darrell Green.

No he wasnt.

 

[dbair1967]

That's really stretching it.

Woodson was a better cover corner than Deion or Darrell Green.

No, he wasnt

 

[DuaneThomas71]

Yes, he was.

Deion was vastly overrated as a cover guy. This guy's reputation was more bloated by the media than almost any other athlete in history. He got beat, and beat quite a bit, actually.

He's remembered as being much better than he is because of his pure athleticism that he put on display whenever he had the ball in his hands.

 

[The Panch]

Yes, he was.

Deion was vastly overrated as a cover guy. This guy's reputation was more bloated by the media than almost any other athlete in history. He got beat, and beat quite a bit, actually.

He's remembered as being much better than he is because of his pure athleticism that he put on display whenever he had the ball in his hands.

You're in denial or have it in for Deion. He's the GOAT at CB, minus the tackling.

 

[theogt]

Yes, he was.

Deion was vastly overrated as a cover guy. This guy's reputation was more bloated by the media than almost any other athlete in history. He got beat, and beat quite a bit, actually.

He's remembered as being much better than he is because of his pure athleticism that he put on display whenever he had the ball in his hands.

Actually, AdamJT13 posted some of Deion's coverage stats and they were unbelievably good -- granted it was a small sampling.

 

[AdamJT13]

Deion was vastly overrated as a cover guy. This guy's reputation was more bloated by the media than almost any other athlete in history. He got beat, and beat quite a bit, actually.

Actually, you don't know what you're talking about.

Seriously. You don't. At all.

Did you even watch Deion play before 1999?

 

[mmohican29]

Wait a sec here folks... Irvin didn't say he wasn't a HOF'er. He said he didn't think he was first ballot. And to be honest with you- if Irvin wasn't a first ballot HOF'er than certainly Rod Woodson wasn't either. Michael ate him alive. In fact, had the Cowboys offense of the 90's not featured a power running game first and foremost- Irvin would have been probably the second greatest WR in history.

It's sour grapes on Michael's part to say that Woodson isn't a first ballot HOF'er, but then again... Michael Irvin > Rod Woodson, and it isn't close.
It's whatever, but Irvin has a right to an opinon as certainly Hot Rod has run his mouth on the Cowboys from the moment he sat in NFL Network Studios.

 

[DuaneThomas71]

Actually, you don't know what you're talking about.

Seriously. You don't. At all.

Did you even watch Deion play before 1999?

Actually, I watched him as far back as when he was getting burned on a regular basis in Atlanta. Flipper Anderson used to look forward to their encounters because he absolutely owned him.

He was Antonio Cromartie with charisma.

 

[AdamJT13]

Actually, I watched him as far back as when he was getting burned on a regular basis in Atlanta. Flipper Anderson used to look forward to their encounters because he absolutely owned him.

Anderson played nine games against Deion. It's doubtful that all of Anderson's catches came while Deion was guarding him, but let's look at how he did in those games anyway. Anderson averaged 60.9 yards per game and never had a 100-yard game against Deion's teams. He averaged 2.6 catches and never had more than five catches (once). In five of those games, he had two catches or less. And he scored a total of three touchdowns against Deion's teams, with one touchdown three times and no touchdowns the other six.

Apparently, your definition of "absolutely owned" is different from everyone else's.

And Deion's shutdown numbers during his prime years were absolutely incredible. STATS LLC has been tracking what cornerbacks allow (targets, catches, yards, touchdowns) since 1995, and Deion's numbers were FAR superior to anyone else's. Woodson blew out his knee in 1995 and moved to safety for the rest of his career, and he still allowed far more completions, yards and touchdowns than Deion did, and Deion was a 1-on-1 cornerback often matched up with the opponent's top receiver.

In 1996 alone, Woodson allowed more catches (58), yards (607) AND touchdowns (four) than Deion did in the entire 1996, 1997 and 1998 seasons COMBINED (54 catches, 582 yards and zero touchdowns). And in 1998, Woodson was among the leaders in yards allowed (907) to go with the 62 catches and five touchdowns he allowed.

This would be a good time for you to say those stats don't matter, because they just destroyed your argument.

 

[trickblue]

Woodson deserves to be in the HoF, but he needs to wait behind many others ahead of him. He is not a "lock" first ballot guy.

He should get the nod, but others in front of him deserve it first...

 

[tunahelper]

Its good to hear Irvin remind Rod of the *** whoopins he got from the Boys, since Rod likes to sound off on America's team nightly. Good dig!

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Anderson played nine games against Deion. It's doubtful that all of Anderson's catches came while Deion was guarding him, but let's look at how he did in those games anyway. Anderson averaged 60.9 yards per game and never had a 100-yard game against Deion's teams. He averaged 2.6 catches and never had more than five catches (once). In five of those games, he had two catches or less. And he scored a total of three touchdowns against Deion's teams, with one touchdown three times and no touchdowns the other six.

Apparently, your definition of "absolutely owned" is different from everyone else's.

And Deion's shutdown numbers during his prime years were absolutely incredible. STATS LLC has been tracking what cornerbacks allow (targets, catches, yards, touchdowns) since 1995, and Deion's numbers were FAR superior to anyone else's. Woodson blew out his knee in 1995 and moved to safety for the rest of his career, and he still allowed far more completions, yards and touchdowns than Deion did, and Deion was a 1-on-1 cornerback often matched up with the opponent's top receiver.

In 1996 alone, Woodson allowed more catches (58), yards (607) AND touchdowns (four) than Deion did in the entire 1996, 1997 and 1998 seasons COMBINED (54 catches, 582 yards and zero touchdowns). And in 1998, Woodson was among the leaders in yards allowed (907) to go with the 62 catches and five touchdowns he allowed.

This would be a good time for you to say those stats don't matter, because they just destroyed your argument.

Damn Adam don't hurt them

 

[ljs44]

Anderson played nine games against Deion. It's doubtful that all of Anderson's catches came while Deion was guarding him, but let's look at how he did in those games anyway. Anderson averaged 60.9 yards per game and never had a 100-yard game against Deion's teams. He averaged 2.6 catches and never had more than five catches (once). In five of those games, he had two catches or less. And he scored a total of three touchdowns against Deion's teams, with one touchdown three times and no touchdowns the other six.

Apparently, your definition of "absolutely owned" is different from everyone else's.

And Deion's shutdown numbers during his prime years were absolutely incredible. STATS LLC has been tracking what cornerbacks allow (targets, catches, yards, touchdowns) since 1995, and Deion's numbers were FAR superior to anyone else's. Woodson blew out his knee in 1995 and moved to safety for the rest of his career, and he still allowed far more completions, yards and touchdowns than Deion did, and Deion was a 1-on-1 cornerback often matched up with the opponent's top receiver.

In 1996 alone, Woodson allowed more catches (58), yards (607) AND touchdowns (four) than Deion did in the entire 1996, 1997 and 1998 seasons COMBINED (54 catches, 582 yards and zero touchdowns). And in 1998, Woodson was among the leaders in yards allowed (907) to go with the 62 catches and five touchdowns he allowed.

This would be a good time for you to say those stats don't matter, because they just destroyed your argument.

Say it with me now..........."owned"

Why must people continue to challenge him?

 

[TellerMorrow34]

I loved what Irvin brought to this team, and I like to listen to what he has to say most of the time, but in this case he's pathetically, dead wrong.

There is no doubt that Rod is a first ballot HOFer and the committee got it right in making him so.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Wait a sec here folks... Irvin didn't say he wasn't a HOF'er. He said he didn't think he was first ballot. And to be honest with you- if Irvin wasn't a first ballot HOF'er than certainly Rod Woodson wasn't either. Michael ate him alive. In fact, had the Cowboys offense of the 90's not featured a power running game first and foremost- Irvin would have been probably the second greatest WR in history.

It's sour grapes on Michael's part to say that Woodson isn't a first ballot HOF'er, but then again... Michael Irvin > Rod Woodson, and it isn't close.
It's whatever, but Irvin has a right to an opinon as certainly Hot Rod has run his mouth on the Cowboys from the moment he sat in NFL Network Studios.

I'd say Irvin's off the field issues had a lot more to do with him not getting in First Ballot than what he did on the field.

Anderson played nine games against Deion. It's doubtful that all of Anderson's catches came while Deion was guarding him, but let's look at how he did in those games anyway. Anderson averaged 60.9 yards per game and never had a 100-yard game against Deion's teams. He averaged 2.6 catches and never had more than five catches (once). In five of those games, he had two catches or less. And he scored a total of three touchdowns against Deion's teams, with one touchdown three times and no touchdowns the other six.

Apparently, your definition of "absolutely owned" is different from everyone else's.

And Deion's shutdown numbers during his prime years were absolutely incredible. STATS LLC has been tracking what cornerbacks allow (targets, catches, yards, touchdowns) since 1995, and Deion's numbers were FAR superior to anyone else's. Woodson blew out his knee in 1995 and moved to safety for the rest of his career, and he still allowed far more completions, yards and touchdowns than Deion did, and Deion was a 1-on-1 cornerback often matched up with the opponent's top receiver.

In 1996 alone, Woodson allowed more catches (58), yards (607) AND touchdowns (four) than Deion did in the entire 1996, 1997 and 1998 seasons COMBINED (54 catches, 582 yards and zero touchdowns). And in 1998, Woodson was among the leaders in yards allowed (907) to go with the 62 catches and five touchdowns he allowed.

This would be a good time for you to say those stats don't matter, because they just destroyed your argument.

Ouch. That ***** slap back to reality must have really stung.