DMN Blog: Is it worth the risk to make Tony Romo the holder?

[NextGenBoys]

Why, are opposing players going to be flying through the line looking to purposely punch Romo in the face? Or he is talking about the risk of Romo dropping the ball?

We always have the oddest problems on this team, lol. Shotgun snapper, kickoff specialist, field goal holder. :laugh1:

No joke

 

[Bob Sacamano]

to add, the ridiculousness of this board is astounding

to gauge the importance of turning to Romo to solve the kicking woes, one needs to just look back to the Commander game, to really appreciate the importance of special teams, and leaving points on the field, if the normally accurate Suisham makes even one of his kicks, we lose that game

not to mention the 3 points we left on the field with one of Folk's misses

some games are going to come down to the wire, esp. this late in the season, you absolutely can't leave points on the field

another positive that could come switching Romo to the holder is that we could really change Folk's whole perspective, that if the word goes around that Romo is doing an excellent job on holds, it could get into Folk's psyche and change his approach to kicks, to where he's approaching the ball with renewed confidence, not even thinking about the hold anymore

I have no doubt that Folk hasn't lost any confidence in himself, he's as cool as they come, he's the Romo of kickers, he probably just needs more faith in his holder

enter the Romo

 

[DaBoys4Life]

to add, the ridiculousness of this board is astounding

to gauge the importance of turning to Romo to solve the kicking woes, one needs to just look back to the Commander game, to really appreciate the importance of special teams, and leaving points on the field, if the normally accurate Suisham makes even one of his kicks, we lose that game

not to mention the 3 points we left on the field with one of Folk's misses

some games are going to come down to the wire, esp. this late in the season, you absolutely can't leave points on the field

another positive that could come switching Romo to the holder is that we could really change Folk's whole perspective, that if the word goes around that Romo is doing an excellent job on holds, it could get into Folk's psyche and change his approach to kicks, to where he's approaching the ball with renewed confidence

I have no doubt that Folk hasn't lost any confidence in himself, he's as cool as they come, he's the Romo of kickers, he probably just needs more faith in his holder

enter the Romo

If folk's psyche is shot then it doesn't matter who holds.

Enter buehler please.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

If folk's psyche is shot then it doesn't matter who holds.

Enter buehler please.

you missed the point dead-on

 

[Jarv]

If folk's psyche is shot then it doesn't matter who holds.

Enter buehler please.

Really screw with their heads and have Folk hold for Buehler...

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Really screw with their heads and have Folk hold for Buehler...

Better yet have Buehler hold for Folk then he can just run the ball instead.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Really screw with their heads and have Folk hold for Buehler...

we want to encourage Folk, not scare the living crap out of him

just think, would you want to charge head-on into the Buehler's area?

I most certainly wouldn't

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Well, it's not like he'll mistake Romo's hand for the ball, but all sorts of things happen where holders have to reach for snaps and getting the ball set is a lot dicier than it should be. Again, the move needs to be made, I'm just saying there's a reason why coaches don't put their throwing hands in front of kicking legs very often. The two primary are the (limited) risk of injury and the time it takes having your starting QB sitting in on some ST sessions.

The time your talking about is mostly in camp and it's mostly learning how to hold/earning the trust of the kicker. Romo already knows how. And Folk would probably trust you to hold right now more than McBriar.

Punters are frequently holders now simply because they have nothing else to do. Having punters hold is one of those things teams do because everyone is. It's also isn't very smart.

 

[WoodysGirl]

you missed the point dead-on

Actually he missed it wide right..

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Actually he missed it wide right..

I was thinking more hitting the cross bar and bouncing off with a loud thunk

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Wait until ESPN gets word of this.

Oh man.........

I just hope he gets in if he ever drops another one.

 

[wileedog]

I don't think the blame can be put all on McBrair but that seems to be the scapegoat for Folk.

For two years Folk is money, then we switch holders and he sucks. The holder himself takes the blame, yet you still think its the kicker. And you want to switch the kicker for a worse kicker with the same holder who has already said he is not good at holding, just to prove your theory.

Makes sense.

 

[CowboyDan]

If folk's psyche is shot then it doesn't matter who holds.

Enter buehler please.

 

[Doomsday101]

If folk's psyche is shot then it doesn't matter who holds.

Enter buehler please.

Because he has been hitting them during the week? You have not seen him nor have I, so tell me how has he been doing during the week as they work on FG? I'm all in favor of making a positive move not just making a move just for the sake of it.

 

[CowboyDan]

Wait!......I just read something in another thread that has me changing my mind.....

And how does Folk like the ball held?

"Straight up and down,'' he said. "The biggest key is let the ball come to you. The ball will always travel faster than your hands will.''

That last sentence says it all. I remember reading earlier that McBriar goes after the ball, thus throwing the timing off? I'm starting to warm up to this idea of Romo holding now. Just beat San Diego!!

 

[chuffly]

Actually he missed it wide right..

Maybe DaBoys just needs a new holder.

 

[Idgit]

The time your talking about is mostly in camp and it's mostly learning how to hold/earning the trust of the kicker. Romo already knows how. And Folk would probably trust you to hold right now more than McBriar.

Punters are frequently holders now simply because they have nothing else to do. Having punters hold is one of those things teams do because everyone is. It's also isn't very smart.

I don't know about 'mostly' but I do know that one of the criticisms of having Romo a holder during the Parcels regime was that there were ST meetings he had to attend and that it was a distraction and a scheduling problem when you had two units that could ordinarily meet concurrently that now had to have their meeting times coordinated.

Punters and backup QBs typically hold, but, as we're seeing now, there is a skill to it. You can't just put anybody back there. Over the last few years, we've had Johnson, McBriar, Kitna, Crayton, and now Romo all try out for the position for a reason.

 

[kramskoi]

9:33 AM Thu, Dec 10, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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I don't know of another starting quarterback in the NFL serving as the holder for point after attempts and field goals, but the Cowboys will apparently make the switch to Tony Romo.

I'm OK with it but it is a risk. You don't want to put the quarterback under any unnecessary risk but this isn't unnecessary.

Nick Folk has missed five of his last seven attempts. Mat McBriar has accepted the blame for at least three of Folk's eight misses this year because of his holds. Wade Phillips has said Folk has a different mentality than most kickers that he has been around, which means he's not as, umm, flaky. But when a kicker doesn't have confidence in the where and the when of the hold, then it's time to try something new.

And why Romo makes the most sense is that he is the only player with experience in games doing it. You can make the argument that all of the experience isn't good (see Seattle playoff game) but it's not time to give Patrick Crayton, Sam Hurd or David Buehler a look a the job when they have never done it in a game, especially games as crucial as these final four will be for the Cowboys.

By the way, Romo has held since that slip in Seattle. It was at the Pro Bowl a few weeks later in Hawaii. Saints coach Sean Payton, also and Eastern Illinois grad and one of Romo's biggest supporters, was coaching the NFC team that year. As he went through some the week's work in a meeting with the players he closed the session with this: "And Romo, you're holding," which busted up the room in some laughter.


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Will Romo hold or pass?
9:20 AM Thu, Dec 10, 2009 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Argue all you want about whether or not it makes sense to have your starting quarterback as the holder. Using Tony Romo in this position has one obvious benefit.

This from special teams coach Joe DeCamillis, who watched Romo hold for the first time in Wednesday's practice.

"He did a good job,'' DeCamillis said. "We will have a better feel (today) with some more reps.

"He definitely gives us some fake possibilities.''


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...maybe the real question is can they afford to risk not letting him hold?...this is the time of year where your kicker better be money or it will cost you dearly...they've got to get Folk back on track before his confidence takes a hit...

 

[StanleySpadowski]

I don't know about 'mostly' but I do know that one of the criticisms of having Romo a holder during the Parcels regime was that there were ST meetings he had to attend and that it was a distraction and a scheduling problem when you had two units that could ordinarily meet concurrently that now had to have their meeting times coordinated.

Punters and backup QBs typically hold, but, as we're seeing now, there is a skill to it. You can't just put anybody back there. Over the last few years, we've had Johnson, McBriar, Kitna, Crayton, and now Romo all try out for the position for a reason.

Punters holding is a relatively new phenomenom. It once was almost all backup QBs, DBs, and WRs. Backup QBs still often held for a few years after becoming the starting QB until a replacement was found/trained. Joe Montana was a holder after becoming a starter for example. Brad Johnson held several different times as a starting QB but he seems to be the last of a dying breed.

I still think taking the least athletic player available and putting him in a position that MAY require an athletic play is a recipe for disaster. I would have thought that coaches would have learned from examples like the Walsh fiasco in the San Fran/NYG game a few years ago but I'm continually amazed by small things like that.

 

[28 Joker]

Honesty, the way Folk is kicking, I'd make Felix Jones the holder and tell him to pull Charlie Browns on the kicker.

Run, Felix run...

That way, he might actually get the ball.