DMN Blog: Jerry Jones talks playcalling, team's chances, GM

[Bach]

So, you think Jimmy made them all? Do you think Jimmy didn't rely on the scouts or others? Do you think Jerry just sat there and said, "uh huh, yeah Jimmy, err, umm, lip smack, you um, smack go with what whatever you durn want?"

Never said Jimmy did it all himself:
http://cowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=2998648&postcount=251

No, not really. Jimmy wasn't solely responsible. He had a great staff that HE hired and we had some great scouts like Ackles and Wooten, etc. Jimmy had a lot of help and input from others.

No offense, but it doesn't seem like you understand anything about management or delegation.

Jerry made atrocious decisions during the late 90s to early 00s, trying to prolong the career of the trios (although Michael Irvin's injury decimated the best SB contender we had post-Jimmy) and bringing Lacewell on board, but he's seemingly turned that part around when he hired Parcells and instilled his scouting and philosophy into the organization. Now, he has to work on getting good coaches because I think that is the problem right now.

Jerry made atrocious decisions because he doesn't know how to evaluate talent and his right hand man at that time, Lacewell, apparently didn't know who to either. And because Jerry tends to fall in love with a player and overpay for him time and time again. And because Jerry's ego was so big and he hated that Jimmy got credit for the Super Bowls he spent years and and years hiring weaker, controllable head coaches and controlling their staffs until it led to those 5-11 seasons and he finally yelled "uncle" and hired Parcells to try and fix the mess. But once Parcells left after getting us back into playoff contention, Jerry has since gone back to hiring a soft HC, controlling much of the staff hires and doing many of the same things that led to those 5-11 seasons.

Give it time, if he continues on this path, we will be back to 5-11 or worse. Yet you want us to believe he was instrumental in the building of a three time Super Bowl winner. riiiiiiiiight. :laugh2:

 

[Bach]

I agree to a point.

It was Jerry's animosity towards the prevailing power structure that drove Jimmy away, and then Jerry quickly changed the power structure once Jimmy had departed.

However, even if Jerry was willing to return to such a power structure, there's no guarantee the Cowboys would reach the same level of success. The NFL is constantly changing.

I agree, there's never a guarantee. But we would at least have a fighting chance then. I'd prefer doing all we can and then letting the chips fall where they may over what we've put up with most of the last 13 years with Jerry controlling just about everything and us having little to no chance.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

Of course there is no guarantee. But at what point can we concede this current model certainly isn't working? 15 years? 20?

I wasn't happy the day Jerry signed Parcells because I thought it would gaurantee us a Lombardi, but I thought it at least got us a chance.

I have zero faith in Go It Alone Jerry that this team will produce anything different than the first time a great coach walked away from Jerry and he celebrated it.

Have you been reading my comments on this thread -- or in this forum over the past couple seasons?

I wholeheartedly agree that Jerry's current tenure as GM has been an abysmal failure, and I'm a staunch advocate (for what it's worth) of hiring a new GM.

Fans may lack the knowledge to identify the specific problems within the Cowboys organization, but we can certainly assess the organization by its final results: no playoff wins in 12 years.

So we ask ourselves, "How is Jerry remedying this problem?"

And the answer is, a 12-12 record in the Cowboys' last 24 games and a .500 record thus far on the season. Those numbers don't seem conducive to winning a playoff game, either.

 

[khiladi]

They've played close with 3 playoff teams and creamed a bad Buffalo team with your hero on it.

We've played close to 1 playoff team, lost to a team with a new HC and Kyle friggin Orton as the QB, and beat two winless teams.



Not seeing where Miami is that far behind us at this point, considering they've also lost their starting QB.

You mean Chad Pennington, who played 2 games and didn't even put up 200 yards passing in either game. Who brought Pennington in to run the show? As far as Buffalo, what does that have to do with Jerry. Buffalo is a mess and it surely isn't TOs fault.

 

[wileedog]

You mean Chad Pennington, who played 2 games and didn't even put up 200 yards passing in either game. Who brought Pennington in to run the show? As far as Buffalo, what does that have to do with Jerry. Buffalo is a mess and it surely isn't TOs fault.

I'm saying they've played well against good teams and clobbered a bad one.

We've played pretty even with two bad teams, gave away the game against a good one, and lost to a team I think we should have beat.

As for Pennington he's a stopgap just like Drew and Vinny were while they develop a QB. BUt now they don't even have that.

Again, I don't think Miami is playing that badly considering who they have faced, especially a team coming off a 1-15 two years ago who is now playing a much tougher schedule than last year.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

In 1973 a man bought one of the premiere sport franchises in the world. They won Championships in 1977 and 1978 and this man began to believe he was solely responsible for this team's success. His meddling became ridiculous. Media outlets reported that he was interfering with the coach during the games, suggesting who should and shouldn't play. He ignored his coaching staff and advisors and made moves he felt the team needed.

Sound familiar?

This team went on a 12-year playoff drought and this owner and his ego were the laughing stock of the league. In 1996 he finally hired a qualified coach and in 1998 he hired a qualified GM. Something many writers and fans thought would never happen with this big-egoed Owner running the show. Since then, this team has won 4 Championships and are pretty much a contender every year. They are once again one of the top franchises in all of sports.

If George Steinbrenner can put his ego aside and hire qualified people why can't Jerry?

Great post.

Could have been 5 in 6 years...... sooooo close

 

[Cowboyz88]

Maybe all he needs is Costanza to step in and give him the "what for."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PU_n5ozMJfE

Just substitute Cowboys for Yankees, and it's a perfect fit.

In 1973 a man bought one of the premiere sport franchises in the world. They won Championships in 1977 and 1978 and this man began to believe he was solely responsible for this team's success. His meddling became ridiculous. Media outlets reported that he was interfering with the coach during the games, suggesting who should and shouldn't play. He ignored his coaching staff and advisors and made moves he felt the team needed.

Sound familiar?

This team went on a 12-year playoff drought and this owner and his ego were the laughing stock of the league. In 1996 he finally hired a qualified coach and in 1998 he hired a qualified GM. Something many writers and fans thought would never happen with this big-egoed Owner running the show. Since then, this team has won 4 Championships and are pretty much a contender every year. They are once again one of the top franchises in all of sports.

If George Steinbrenner can put his ego aside and hire qualified people why can't Jerry?

 

[wileedog]

Have you been reading my comments on this thread -- or in this forum over the past couple seasons?

Sorry, that was more rhetorical than aimed at you specifically.

 

[rcaldw]

This picture speaks volumes to me. I know the context of it probably makes it innocent, but it also represents, in an image, what is an overall problem. Talking football, coach sits and listens, son who probably has more sense than daddy sits and listens, Jerry smack dab in the middle and holding court. Its how he loves it. Its how I hate it. It hasn't worked.

 

[bysbox1]

Here's a thought, crazy but hear me out:

Jerry should fire Wade and coach the team himself that way when we go 4-12 he will snap out of it and hire a real coach. Let the ole crazy coot get it out of his system, then we can go back to winning again once we hire a real coach and GM...

Jerry is already coaching the team. Wade is his defensive coordinator and Garrett runs his offense.

CowboyFan74, I think you may be on to something here. Let him coach the team . . . .

Jerry should have a press conference, announce himself as coach. Do all the things that a coach would go during the week. Wear the baseball cap and the hoodie on the sidelines during the weekend.

Let him het it out of his system. Let reality hit him that he's a little bit out of his league on the GM/Coach stuff. When the team totally tanks, hopefully he will come to his senses and put in a competent GM and he brings in a solid coach with him.

Sounds crazy, but I actually like it.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

This picture speaks volumes to me. I know the context of it probably makes it innocent, but it also represents, in an image, what is an overall problem. Talking football, coach sits and listens, son who probably has more sense than daddy sits and listens, Jerry smack dab in the middle and holding court. Its how he loves it. Its how I hate it. It hasn't worked.

A good, honest unbiased post.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

This picture speaks volumes to me. I know the context of it probably makes it innocent, but it also represents, in an image, what is an overall problem. Talking football, coach sits and listens, son who probably has more sense than daddy sits and listens, Jerry smack dab in the middle and holding court. Its how he loves it. Its how I hate it. It hasn't worked.

A good, honest unbiased post.

Yep.

I just hope Stephen's bigger role lately isn't because Jerry was preoccupied with the stadium, and now Jerry will get back more into the football.

But still... Stephen has to have a bigger role, or TO would still be here.

 

[Bach]

This picture speaks volumes to me.

A picture is worth a 1000 words

 

[Beast_from_East]

That's his problem. He puts a happy face on everything. He did it even when any normal person could look at the Campo teams and realize they were bad. If he could ever take a critical and realistic view of the job he's done and where this team is going, we'd be better off. But he's incapable. That's as big of a problem as his inability to adequately judge talent.

I wonder if this is done just for PR and when Jerry is by himself he says to himself, "dam we suck"

Or does Jerry actually believe this BS about us having a shot at the SB this year.

 

[bbgun]

A picture is worth a 1000 words

You're right. Stephen is definitely balding. Maybe he can borrow the bird's nest on his old man's head.

 

[Bach]

I wonder if this is done just for PR and when Jerry is by himself he says to himself, "dam we suck"

Or does Jerry actually believe this BS about us having a shot at the SB this year.

He's a delusional ******* who is still trying to prove his critics wrong, but time and time again keeps proving them right.

 

[Alexander]

No offense, but you're letting your blind hatred of Jerry get in the way everything related to him. Jimmy made several bad picks, and it was Jerry who orchestrated the Minnesota trade. Jimmy AND Jerry were great together.

Brokering a trade is more down Jones' alley in terms of a business move. It really isn't anything to do with personnel evaluation.

We had a commodity that someone else wanted and Mike Lynn thought he was ripping off a novice in Jones.

I mean, it's not like Jimmy had any real say in the sense that he desperately wanted the three main stars who are associated with the 3 SBs during that era. Irvin was here before, Aikman was a no brainer, and Emmit fell into his lap when the linebacker he wanted was gone.

Coach Johnson knew defensive talent. He knew how to compartmentalize talent to fit that defense. All you need to do is see how he constructed the Dolphins defense and had them set up for a decade to see that. He didn't know anything about offense. That is clear. Luckily, he got Norv Turner who helped him see the light and make the Triplets work. Jerry Jones didn't draft Aikman as much as trip over him. He inherited Irvin and several others (Norton, Hennings).

John Wooten, Bob Ackles, Jeff Smith, Dick Mansparger and the scouting department did the majority of the heavy lifting.

Those Cowboys were rock solid because we had excellent personnel evaluators in place.

If you think Jerry Jones was one of them, then I really feel sorry for you.

Jones and the franchise's decline in talent occurred as a direct result of Jones firing Mansperger and cutting costs in the scouting department. And of course hiring Larry Lacewell.

 

[Beast_from_East]

In 1973 a man bought one of the premiere sport franchises in the world. They won Championships in 1977 and 1978 and this man began to believe he was solely responsible for this team's success. His meddling became ridiculous. Media outlets reported that he was interfering with the coach during the games, suggesting who should and shouldn't play. He ignored his coaching staff and advisors and made moves he felt the team needed.

Sound familiar?

This team went on a 12-year playoff drought and this owner and his ego were the laughing stock of the league. In 1996 he finally hired a qualified coach and in 1998 he hired a qualified GM. Something many writers and fans thought would never happen with this big-egoed Owner running the show. Since then, this team has won 4 Championships and are pretty much a contender every year. They are once again one of the top franchises in all of sports.

If George Steinbrenner can put his ego aside and hire qualified people why can't Jerry?

It also helps that there is no salary cap and you can "buy" superstars at every freaking position. Doesnt take alot of coaching in the scenario.

Answer me this, when was the last time the Yankees were not in the top 5 in terms of payroll??? Not hard to win 4 championships when your payroll is 3-4 times larger than the other teams.

Why do you think that the main reason given for the salary cap in football is "we dont want the league to turn into baseball where teams can buy championships. Cough*Yankees*cough.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Brokering a trade is more down Jones' alley in terms of a business move. It really isn't anything to do with personnel evaluation.

We had a commodity that someone else wanted and Mike Lynn thought he was ripping off a novice in Jones.



Coach Johnson knew defensive talent. He knew how to compartmentalize talent to fit that defense. All you need to do is see how he constructed the Dolphins defense and had them set up for a decade to see that. He didn't know anything about offense. That is clear. Luckily, he got Norv Turner who helped him see the light and make the Triplets work. Jerry Jones didn't draft Aikman as much as trip over him. He inherited Irvin and several others (Norton, Hennings).

John Wooten, Bob Ackles, Jeff Smith, Dick Mansparger and the scouting department did the majority of the heavy lifting.

Those Cowboys were rock solid because we had excellent personnel evaluators in place.

If you think Jerry Jones was one of them, then I really feel sorry for you.

Jones and the franchise's decline in talent occurred as a direct result of Jones firing Mansperger and cutting costs in the scouting department. And of course hiring Larry Lacewell.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Yep.

I just hope Stephen's bigger role lately isn't because Jerry was preoccupied with the stadium, and now Jerry will get back more into the football.

But still... Stephen has to have a bigger role, or TO would still be here.

Absolutely agree there.