DMN Blog: Mike Jenkins happy to be in Pro Bowl

[hairic]

Newman's had a few extremely POOR seasons.

Where do you people get these ideas?

Newman had a top 2 YPA allowed over a 4 year span here recently. Only Shawn Springs was better.

 

[theogt]

Where do you people get these ideas?

Newman had a top 2 YPA allowed over a 4 year span here recently. Only Shawn Springs was better.

I don't think that's correct, but the idea that Newman has had extremely poor seasons here is clearly sign of ignorance.

 

[Hoofbite]

Of course he's happy.

He deserved it and it's a nice little bargaining chip for later negotiations.

 

[mmohican29]

Where do you people get these ideas?

Newman had a top 2 YPA allowed over a 4 year span here recently. Only Shawn Springs was better.

Shawn Springs... lol If you want Newman put on a pedestal because he's better than Springs be my guest. I could care less about whatever stats you throw at me.

 

[AdamJT13]

You think so? I think Jenkins has that extremely rare ability to look for the INT without actually giving up on tight coverage, which puts him above where Newman ever was.

Jenkins had only five interceptions this year. He wasn't close to a shutdown cornerback, and he has never been asked to man up against the opponent's top receiver all game.

Newman had shutdown-quality seasons with three or four interceptions. I'd take that over one or two more interceptions and a lot more passes allowed. Newman also has been asked to shadow top receivers virtually all game, and he has almost always shut them down.

Hopefully Jenkins can develop into a shutdown cornerback who rarely gets beaten, but he's not close to that level yet. Newman in his best seasons has been at that level.

 

[Shneek814]

Jenkins also covers the. 2 reciever. In that last game Sidney made jenkins look silly a few times. Save the anointing oil.

 

[hairic]

I don't think that's correct, but the idea that Newman has had extremely poor seasons here is clearly sign of ignorance.

It is correct, unless KC Joyner is wrong. It was complied by Vela and posted here, I think.

http://www.blueandsilverreport.com/2008/07/14/who-is-the-best-cornerback-do-ypas-mimic-the-sat/

Compare Bailey to the corners with the two best YPA averages since ‘04 and see how consistency ranks higher than flash:

Player-team 2004 2005 2006 2007 Avg.
1. Springs - Washington 4.2 (1st) 5.5 (3rd) 6.2 (15th) 6.2 (15th) 5.5
2. Newman - Dallas 5.8 (8th) 5.8 (7th) 7.1 (29th) 6.1 (14th) 6.2

 

[Givincer]

According to profootballfocus.com he gave up 50 of 99 passes (50.5%) for 585 yards, 2 TDs, and 5 INTs.

That's an opponent QB rating of 54.5. Maybe not as good a year as Newman's best year, but it's pretty damn good.

That's really good, for sure.

 

[theogt]

Jenkins had only five interceptions this year. He wasn't close to a shutdown cornerback, and he has never been asked to man up against the opponent's top receiver all game.

Newman had shutdown-quality seasons with three or four interceptions. I'd take that over one or two more interceptions and a lot more passes allowed. Newman also has been asked to shadow top receivers virtually all game, and he has almost always shut them down.

Hopefully Jenkins can develop into a shutdown cornerback who rarely gets beaten, but he's not close to that level yet. Newman in his best seasons has been at that level.

I know Jenkins only had five interceptions, which is not much more than Newman's season high of 4, but like I said, it's the context of his interceptions. I think INTs are, for the most part, due to luck. Some corners create their luck, however, by baiting QBs into throwing INTs. These corners typically give up a lot of catches, yards, and TDs due to their gamble. Jenkins isnt one of these corners. He doesn't get the INTs from jumping routes after playing off, which is a behavior I tend to hate because it often results in giving up the pass more than it does getting the INT.

Jenkins is in this third category of corners -- he has that rare ability to keep the tight coverage, while looking for the INT. I think the way he played he could have easily had 8+ INTs if he'd been a bit more lucky in a few cases.

I think that ability puts him above a pure "shutdown" corner who simply doesn't get thrown to at all. He'll also never have Newman's advantage early in his career of playing opposite some pretty poor corners who get picked on. That means he'll get thrown at much more often than Newman did during his very good years and he'll also rarely be asked to cover another team's #1 all game -- there's simply no need for that with other good corners on the team.

It is correct, unless KC Joyner is wrong. It was complied by Vela and posted here, I think.

http://www.blueandsilverreport.com/2008/07/14/who-is-the-best-cornerback-do-ypas-mimic-the-sat/

Sorry, I misread your post.

 

[AdamJT13]

I think that ability puts him above a pure "shutdown" corner who simply doesn't get thrown to at all.

I disagree with that. I'd much rather have a shutdown cornerback.

 

[Doomsday101]

Call Jenkins what ever you like, I'm happy with the way the kid is playing and expect he will only get better as he gains more experiance he will be entering his 3rd season in the league next season and thus far the results have been very good in my opinion.

 

[dallascowboyfanboy]

You do know that the Dallas Cowboys played football before 1981 don't you?

Yup i wrote I compared Modern day Cornerbacks did not include players from 60's and 70's.

 

[Paniolo22]

I disagree with that. I'd much rather have a shutdown cornerback.

I agree. Anthony Henry was an INT guy, but got toasted more times than not. I think Jenkins had a great year, but there was a reason Newman was selected ahead of him and it definitely wasn't because of fan voting. I think Jenkins will eventually pass Newman, maybe even next year, but not yet.

 

[theogt]

I disagree with that. I'd much rather have a shutdown cornerback.

I think one "forced" (or "created") INT is worth a good bit of yards and passes given up. It would be hard to quantify the difference, but given everything else I stated, I don't think it's fair to say that Jenkins' 2009 season was "not close" to any of Newman's best seasons.

 

[AdamJT13]

I think one "forced" (or "created") INT is worth a good bit of yards and passes given up. It would be hard to quantify the difference, but given everything else I stated, I don't think it's fair to say that Jenkins' 2009 season was "not close" to any of Newman's best seasons.

The widely accepted value for an interception is 45 yards. That came from the 1988 book, "The Hidden Game of Football," and it's what sites such as pro-football-reference.com use to calculate adjusted yards per pass and adjusted net yards per pass.

Anyhow, I do think it's fair to say that, for several reasons. Jenkins got more interceptions than Newman has ever had, but only by one. Jenkins also was thrown at more and allowed more catches, yards and touchdowns, even though he played less than 90 percent of the snaps (about 1.7 games less than a full season). And he's never been asked to shadow a No. 1 receiver, as we've done with Newman.

Would you rather have a guy who plays every snap, often shadows a No. 1 receiver, gets targeted 70 times and allows 320 yards and no touchdowns, with three interceptions, or a guy who plays 90 percent of the time, never shadows a No. 1 receiver, gets targeted 90 times and allows 550 yards and three touchdowns, with five interceptions? Personally, I'd take the first guy every time.

 

[theogt]

The widely accepted value for an interception is 45 yards. That came from the 1988 book, "The Hidden Game of Football," and it's what sites such as pro-football-reference.com use to calculate adjusted yards per pass and adjusted net yards per pass.

That's interesting. I'm not sure I'd agree, but I was unaware that it was widely accepted. I would think the context of the INT varies so significantly that a "rule of thumb" is almost useless.

Anyhow, I do think it's fair to say that, for several reasons. Jenkins got more interceptions than Newman has ever had, but only by one.

The total number of INTs is almost completely irrelevant to me. It's the context of the interception that is important. For example, I think Hamlin had a better year this year than in the year that he made the pro bowl, even though his INTs were way down.

Newman has never been the type of corner that consistently forced or created an INT. Not that that's a bad thing. He's a pure cover corner, which is great. I think it's better than the Asante Samuel type corner, personally.

Jenkins also was thrown at more and allowed more catches, yards and touchdowns, even though he played less than 90 percent of the snaps (about 1.7 games less than a full season).

This is the result of having a good corner opposite him. Newman probably had more passes thrown at him this year than any other year, and that's largely due to Jenkins playing opposite him. If you take either player off the team, their targets will go down significantly. So the comparison there is not apples to apples.

And he's never been asked to shadow a No. 1 receiver, as we've done with Newman.

Would you rather have a guy who plays every snap, often shadows a No. 1 receiver, gets targeted 70 times and allows 320 yards and no touchdowns, with three interceptions, or a guy who plays 90 percent of the time, never shadows a No. 1 receiver, gets targeted 90 times and allows 550 yards and three touchdowns, with five interceptions? Personally, I'd take the first guy every time.

Again, Jenkins does not shadow because he doesn't have to, not because he can't or shouldn't. Newman doesn't shadow No. 1s anymore either (that I can recall). That's not because he's significantly worse now than before, but because he doesn't have to. There are other competent corners on the team that we can afford to keep them on one side of the field, which is ideal.

Jenkins' snaps were down because of the few games in the beginning of the season in which the team was experimenting with splitting starts between him and Scandrick. It became very obvious very quickly that that was a bad decision.

 

[gimmesix]

What sticks out in my mind is the 300 yards and 0 touchdowns allowed vs. Newman in 2005 (I think it was 2005).

I'd be interested to see what Jenkins stats for this year.

Again, it seems like people forget these things if they didn't happen in the last month or so.

Newman had a down season in some ways this year because of the ridiculous standard he set for himself.

 

[superpunk]

Shawn Springs... lol If you want Newman put on a pedestal because he's better than Springs be my guest. I could care less about whatever stats you throw at me.

It's like my mother used to say...

"My mind is made up - don't confuse me with facts."

 

[Nexx]

Newman has been better than Smith ever was, and Jenkins isn't yet at the level Newman was at a few years ago.

newman was never elite, smith was very close at one point. id take k smith at his best over newman at his best any day of the year. newman has to be the most overrated corner back by cowboys fans.

 

[AdamJT13]

newman was never elite, smith was very close at one point. id take k smith at his best over newman at his best any day of the year. newman has to be the most overrated corner back by cowboys fans.

You're clueless.