DMN Blog: Miles Austin Update/'Boys practicing Felix/Marion on-field package

[Stash]

I hear thee

Me too!

 

[Da Hammer]

I doubt anyone really sees much in Miles at WR here except for scrub although i love kick return ability! i dont ever seem him being nothing more than a #4 or #5 receiver though. As far as jones many know i was very critical of us picking Jones over Mendenhall and i still think we might live to regret it but i gotta admit i love his versatility. if he can consistenly catch the ball he will bring a huge new threat and dimension to our offense combined with the Barbarian that would be crazy for defenses to stop!

 

[Idgit]

The difference between Crayton and Hurd is that Crayton has an uncanny ability of finding a way to get open despite his lack of athleticism.

Just don't see it from Hurd.

The players nicknamed Hurd 'Noodle' last year b/c of his body control and ability to get to the ball despite a lack of separation.

 

[joseephuss]

He should have 24 rec for 317 yds with a 13.2 avg with 4 TD's.

Jones was the 3rd/4th receiver on that team, not the 4th/5th receiver like Austin was in Dallas. I would also expect better numbers from that position since the Jags tight end, Mercedes Lewis only contributed 37 receptions, 391 yards and 2 TDs. When the tight end is contributing 96 receptions, 1145 yards and 7 TDs like Witten did for Dallas then there are not many more passes left to go to the 4th wide receiver on the team.

 

[starfrombirth]

The issue isn't competition it is skill level.

Austin is a superb athlete but at WR he still has issues running actual routes beyond the fly pattern and his hands are very iffy. He may well make that next step at some point but many other have tried and failed.

T.O. and Jerry Rice played small school ball and yet starred early on. If you can play you can play. The problem is so many guys can't play the position.

How many WRs have the Cowboys drafted in their history who caught 0 passes in their first two years on the active roster then went on to success with the Cowboys????

I am not sure why average fans still believe if you run fast you can play WR in the NFL.

Your not seriously suggesting that all wr's from small schools should come in like the 2 best wr's of all time, right?

 

[BruceWayne]

Did anything go right for Archuelta that night?

Nope, Barber got some to

 

[theogt]

The players nicknamed Hurd 'Noodle' last year b/c of his body control and ability to get to the ball despite a lack of separation.

Obviously there's a difference between great body control/hands and getting open.

Crayton has both. Hurd has the former.

Without the latter, the former is kinda useless.

 

[zeromaster]

If Sherman thinks Austin shows promise, that's enough for me. We'll see who's on the roster when the real games begin.

 

[jterrell]

Your not seriously suggesting that all wr's from small schools should come in like the 2 best wr's of all time, right?

I am suggesting if you can play you can play.

But please do feel free to address just how many Cowboys WRs had 0 catches through 2 years then became great Cowboys WRs???

If you can't answer that then you, like everyone else, is just blowing smoke.

Austin has 0 catches. Again, that is z.e.r.o.

Not sure why it is so hard to understand expecting anything from a guy with zero career catches in 2 NFL seasons, but especially considering he was given snaps due to injuries last year, is illogical.

I do hope you guys rush out to buy those Austin jerseys, maybe it'll make Jerry a few bucks before Austin ends up released.

 

[jterrell]

Austin had 5 receptions in 2007. How many receptions should the 4th/5th wide receiver on the roster have in a season?

Last year Glenn was out all year.
T.O. sat out games as well.

Our 3rd and 4th WRs were moving up the chart and Austin actually had 3rd Wr duty in multiple games. He was on the field and produced two PI calls but no actual catches.

Keep making excuses though. GG.

 

[theogt]

I am suggesting if you can play you can play.

But please do feel free to address just how many Cowboys WRs had 0 catches through 2 years then became great Cowboys WRs???

If you can't answer that then you, like everyone else, is just blowing smoke.

Austin has 0 catches. Again, that is z.e.r.o.

Not sure why it is so hard to understand expecting anything from a guy with zero career catches in 2 NFL seasons, but especially considering he was given snaps due to injuries last year, is illogical.

I do hope you guys rush out to buy those Austin jerseys, maybe it'll make Jerry a few bucks before Austin ends up released.

Actually, he had 5.

I heard the same stupid statements about Tony Romo.

 

[jterrell]

If Sherman thinks Austin shows promise, that's enough for me. We'll see who's on the roster when the real games begin.

That is the real irony.

Austin isn't competing with T.O. he is competing for a roster spot. Not sure how so many got lost on his jock-wagon but those are the facts.

What coach says I hate my 5th WR and he has no potential.

Should I google quotes about the potential of NFL luminaries like Jason Tucker, Randal Williams et al?

The Dallas Cowboys tried to obtain a WR this off-season, they want to go get a guy because they do not feel they have anyone ready to be a number 2. They feel Crayton is the number 3 and that means they feel at best Stanback, Hurd, Austin are numbers 4s.

You think we just paid T.O. what we did because his replacement was on the roster?

Again, you can either play the position or you can not.

 

[sacase]

To me Hurd is a much better player. He makes catches and moves the chains. He is consistant and that is what I want in a reciever.

Austin is a project, plain and simple. He has great speed but he route running leaves a lot to be desired. He cannot make all the catches right now and he has iffy hands. If he is getting better, that is great! I want him to get better. However based of what I have seen so far he is not in Hurd's league. It will come down between him and Danny, one of them will get cut. my guess is Danny as the team has something invested in Austin already. With Pac man and jones handling return duties Austin has to step up as a reciever if he wants to make the team.

 

[jterrell]

Actually, he had 5.

I heard the same stupid statements about Tony Romo.

That might make sense if there weren't plenty of QBs who didnt throw NFL passes for two years that went on to become major players.

I know it is probably asking too much but try to use the basic logic of the position to understand QBs are only on the field one at a time and young ones almost never play at all, even for a few snaps. Miles Austin got snaps both of the past two seasons. He just hasn't produced much for his snaps. That is completely different than Romo who tore up pre-seasons, outshined other QBs in practice than didn't get any playing time.

We can modify the statement if you like and include all Cowboys WRs over 49 years who has single digit catches through 2 active NFL seaons that went to star with the Cowboys.

Keep hoping though.

 

[joseephuss]

Last year Glenn was out all year.
T.O. sat out games as well.

Our 3rd and 4th WRs were moving up the chart and Austin actually had 3rd Wr duty in multiple games. He was on the field and produced two PI calls but no actual catches.

Keep making excuses though. GG.

What excuses? The guy went into the season as the 5th wide receiver on the roster. It was only because Glenn got hurt that he became the 4th wide receiver on the roster. I don't expect many 4th receivers on NFL teams to have a lot of receptions. The majority of #4 wide receivers in the league don't end up with many receptions. The #4 wide receiver on the Cowboys' rosters of the early 90s rarely caught passes. And like I mentioned he was th 5th guy going in, so there was no reason to expect the guy to light it up last year. I didn't expect anything from him.

T.O., the #1 wide receiver had 81 receptions. Jason Witten, the all-pro tight end had 96 receptions. Dallas attempted 531 passes, which ranked 18th in the league. That is below the league average for pass attempts. Green Bay threw an average of almost 3 more times a game and they ranked 6th in pass attempts. There are only so many passes to go around.

If you don't think Austin can play because of what you see, that is fine. It just doesn't make much sense to me to base it on production. You are not going to have much production out of the 4th wide receiver who is really the 6th or 7th receiving option on the team when your top two receiving options are all pros.

 

[speedkilz88]

Crayton first two years of playing

2004 12 rec 162 yds 13.5 avg 39T 1td
2005 22 rec 341 yds 15.5 avg 63T 2td



Hurds first two years of playing

2006 5 rec 75 yds 15.0 avg 33L 0td
2007 19 rec 314 yds 16.5 avg 51T 1td



Austin

2006 --------------------------------
2007 5 rec 76 yds 15.2 avg 35L 0td

 

[jterrell]

To me Hurd is a much better player. He makes catches and moves the chains. He is consistant and that is what I want in a reciever.

Austin is a project, plain and simple. He has great speed but he route running leaves a lot to be desired. He cannot make all the catches right now and he has iffy hands. If he is getting better, that is great! I want him to get better. However based of what I have seen so far he is not in Hurd's league. It will come down between him and Danny, one of them will get cut. my guess is Danny as the team has something invested in Austin already. With Pac man and jones handling return duties Austin has to step up as a reciever if he wants to make the team.

19 > 5 so yea he produced more. Not sure he is much of a player either but at least he generally looked ready to catch the football when it came his way.

We drafted Mike Jenkins, Felix Jones and added Pacman all with the thought of improving our return teams.

Tyson Thompson had the same 26 yards per return avg as Austin did in 2006 so moving to Austin was a break even.

 

[theogt]

That might make sense if there weren't plenty of QBs who didnt throw NFL passes for two years that went on to become major players.

I'm sure there's never been a receiver in NFL history to have only 5 or less catches in his first two seasons that went on to become a solid #2 or potential #1 receiver.

Of course, before Romo there'd only been one UDFA quarterback not to play a single snap in the NFL for several years to go on and put up the kind of numbers Romo does.

I know it is probably asking too much but try to use the basic logic of the position to understand QBs are only on the field one at a time and young ones almost never play at all, even for a few snaps.

Gosh, and here I thought Wade Phillips claimed that WR is one of the most difficult positions to transition from college to NFL.

Miles Austin got snaps both of the past two seasons. He just hasn't produced much for his snaps. That is completely different than Romo who tore up pre-seasons, outshined other QBs in practice than didn't get any playing time.

We can modify the statement if you like and include all Cowboys WRs over 49 years who has single digit catches through 2 active NFL seaons that went to star with the Cowboys.

Keep hoping though.

Actually, Romo didn't start tearing it up until his 3rd offseason. He showed flashes in his 2nd, but still looked incredibly raw. Hey, that sounds just like ... Miles Austin!

 

[jterrell]

What excuses? The guy went into the season as the 5th wide receiver on the roster. It was only because Glenn got hurt that he became the 4th wide receiver on the roster. I don't expect many 4th receivers on NFL teams to have a lot of receptions. The majority of #4 wide receivers in the league don't end up with many receptions. The #4 wide receiver on the Cowboys' rosters of the early 90s rarely caught passes. And like I mentioned he was th 5th guy going in, so there was no reason to expect the guy to light it up last year. I didn't expect anything from him.

T.O., the #1 wide receiver had 81 receptions. Jason Witten, the all-pro tight end had 96 receptions. Dallas attempted 531 passes, which ranked 18th in the league. That is below the league average for pass attempts. Green Bay threw an average of almost 3 more times a game and they ranked 6th in pass attempts. There are only so many passes to go around.

If you don't think Austin can play because of what you see, that is fine. It just doesn't make much sense to me to base it on production. You are not going to have much production out of the 4th wide receiver who is really the 6th or 7th receiving option on the team when your top two receiving options are all pros.

T.O. was hurt and missed games.

Not sure why it is so confusing but Miles Austin got on the field, he simply didn't look like an NFL WR when he did.

He did look great running past DBs and drew two PI calls but when asked to run anything other than a fly he had horrid form, had to turn his body around to look for the ball and had balls whizz right by him as he was unaware until too late to catch them.

 

[jterrell]

I'm sure there's never been a receiver in NFL history to have only 5 or less catches in his first two seasons that went on to become a solid #2 or potential #1 receiver.

Of course, before Romo there'd only been one UDFA quarterback not to play a single snap in the NFL for several years to go on and put up the kind of numbers Romo does.

Gosh, and here I thought Wade Phillips claimed that WR is one of the most difficult positions to transition from college to NFL.

Actually, Romo didn't start tearing it up until his 3rd offseason. He showed flashes in his 2nd, but still looked incredibly raw. Hey, that sounds just like ... Miles Austin!

Romo sounds like Austin? hahahahahahaha.

Romo did not have a single pass attempt until his 3rd season and he went to the Pro Bowl. If you can play you can play.

Guess you are right Austin is Pro Bowl BOUND!!!! WOO HOOOO!!!!!

good grief.
lack common sense much?