DMN Blog: Pacman's scheduled to make it rain Sunday

[CATCH17]

Can you post a link that details how the Titans didn't want him to get into wrestling? I know they didn't want him to actually fight, and put himself in danger, but he didn't do that as part of his foray into wrestling.

So if you could post a link to their statement regarding not getting involved in wrestling at all, that would be helpful.

Just look it up. They even threatened to sue.

 

[superpunk]

Just look it up. They even threatened to sue.

With all due respect, it wasn't my assertion that he "got into professional wrestling extremely against his teams wishes just a couple months ago."

But, since you seem so sure, I'll go ahead and "just look it up" - which is code for "I'm too damn lazy to back up the junk I'm talking, when I have no idea what I'm talking about."

Here you go.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2969037

NASHVILLE, Tenn. -- Adam "Pacman" Jones can appear at a wrestling show Sunday, with a couple of provisions: The suspended Tennessee Titans cornerback won't be allowed to touch or be touched, use or be hit by any object or anything else that could injure him.


That doesn't leave much for Jones.


But at least he can be in the building for the Total Nonstop Action Wrestling pay-per-view event. The arrangement was approved by a Tennessee judge Saturday following an agreement among the Titans, Jones' attorney and lawyers for TNA Entertainment.



The Titans received a temporary restraining order Friday that prohibited Jones, who was suspended from the NFL for the 2007 season for violating the personal conduct policy, from even being present at a TNA event.


With Jones promoted to appear at the "Hard Justice" show Sunday night in Orlando, Fla., lawyers worked to resolve the Titans' concerns. Judge Jeff Bivins approved the deal following a 10-minute meeting in his chambers. Jones did not attend the hearing.


Steve Underwood, chief operating officer of the Titans, said nothing changed as far as the team is concerned.


"It doesn't mean he can't participate and be present at whatever he's under contract to do with them. It just means that he can't participate in anything where he's going to get hurt. That was always our concern," Underwood said.

And what if Jones does get hurt?

"We're not going to go there. He's not going to get hurt," Underwood said. "He can't do anything that poses risk of significant injury, and all parties are in agreement with that."


The NFL isn't scheduled to review Jones' case until after the Titans' 10th game, which is Nov. 19 at Denver. Jones lawyer Worrick Robinson said the Titans made it clear they still care about his client and want to see him return to the football field.


The original court order applied only to Jones. TNA and co-founder Jeff Jarrett joined the talks and were added as parties to the agreement. An attorney representing TNA was asked if company officials preferred to have Jones wrestle after Jarrett had worked with the cornerback on his ring skills.
"We're very happy he's going to be there and be part of the program," Robin Mitchell Joyce said


Added Robinson: "I think the limited grappling that he was going to be involved with in the first place was not going to take place immediately. But he is fine. He's willing to work within the bounds of what he's agreed and what the judge has ordered."


Jones made his first appearance with TNA during its weekly cable TV show "iMPACT!" Thursday night.


The Titans responded Friday by obtaining the restraining order prohibiting him from participating in the show in any way, even as a spectator or announcer. The Titans cited the NFL player contract that prevents him from engaging in activities in which he could injure himself.


Robinson said TNA may decide to have Jones be in the ring, working within the approved agreement.


"He wanted to put on a show, and he wanted to prepare himself for putting on a show. That's what he was doing," Robinson said. "His role has just changed somewhat now."

He fully complied with the Titans wishes, and the Titans were fine with him being involved as long as he complied with the legal agreement.



You're backing yourself into a foolish corner here. It's time to just stop.

 

[odog422]

This is a great...a preview of life with Pacman. He hasnt even been traded for yet, we aren't even into off season workouts, and already we have to debate whether or not he is scheduled to attend, is attending, some after hours function with strippers.

Who needs the headache??? Obviously I am completely against him coming here. He has what's called a "track record" and I frankly, I have no confidence in his "changing his ways" at this point in time.

The interview on Irvin's show confirmed this. His comment that he hasn't ruled out strip clubs forever, instead for just 2-3 years, is testament to his thinking - temporary. This is all temporary. Not real change.

If he wears the Star I will cheer for his on-field accomplishments, but that's about the Star, not him.

My prediction is that he gets himself suspended/banned right at the end of the year because he'll probably be able to keep his nose relatively clean most of the season. By season's end, he'll feel like the heat is off and he can relax, and "it won't hurt."

 

[CATCH17]

With all due respect, it wasn't my assertion that he "got into professional wrestling extremely against his teams wishes just a couple months ago."

But, since you seem so sure, I'll go ahead and "just look it up" - which is code for "I'm too damn lazy to back up the junk I'm talking, when I have no idea what I'm talking about."

Here you go.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2969037





He fully complied with the Titans wishes, and the Titans were fine with him being involved as long as he complied with the legal agreement.



You're backing yourself into a foolish corner here. It's time to just stop.

lol I've been proven wrong once in this entire thread and have absolutely owned you guys and now im backed into a corner?

Dude his teamates were even saying him getting into professional wrestling was dumb.

You think anyone in that organization was happy about it? Helll no.

They sure as heck were up in arms and threatening to sue when this 1st came out.

You think you would check with your million dollar employer to see if this was ok 1st.

Just because he told his team "oh i wont get hurt" doesnt mean it was still a smart decision or any kind of sign of maturity.

 

[superpunk]

lol I've been proven wrong once in this entire thread and have absolutely owned you guys and now im backed into a corner?

Dude his teamates were even saying him getting into professional wrestling was dumb.

You think anyone in that organization was happy about it? Helll no.

They sure as heck were up in arms and threatening to sue when this 1st came out.

You think you would check with your million dollar employer to see if this was ok 1st.

Just because he told his team "oh i wont get hurt" doesnt mean it was still a smart decision or any kind of sign of maturity.

Your foolish corner has nothing to do with "being owned", or anything like that. It has to do with your foolish stance on a player based on perceptions you have that are for the most part completely incorrect. You saw the poster, and jumped right on it as evidence against him, even though PacMan had nothing to do with that poster. You believed that he "got into professional wrestling extremely against his teams wishes just a couple months ago.", when in reality he had their blessing as the two sides came to an agreement.

There's just no sense in your stance on PacMan here. You're painting yourself into a corner against him, and reaching for anything that enters your brain, correct or incorrect, as evidence against him. And you just end up looking foolish, and that won't be forgotten by others once he's a quality member of the Cowboys.

My suggestion is that you drop the crusade. But you can do whatever you want.

 

[CATCH17]

Your foolish corner has nothing to do with "being owned", or anything like that. It has to do with your foolish stance on a player based on perceptions you have that are for the most part completely incorrect. You saw the poster, and jumped right on it as evidence against him, even though PacMan had nothing to do with that poster. You believed that he "got into professional wrestling extremely against his teams wishes just a couple months ago.", when in reality he had their blessing as the two sides came to an agreement.

There's just no sense in your stance on PacMan here. You're painting yourself into a corner against him, and reaching for anything that enters your brain, correct or incorrect, as evidence against him. And you just end up looking foolish, and that won't be forgotten by others once he's a quality member of the Cowboys.

My suggestion is that you drop the crusade. But you can do whatever you want.

You are what you are and when you get arrested 6 times, and go to strip clubs against the commisioneers wishes then when your labeled as a criminal its most likely deserving.

You saw the poster, and jumped right on it as evidence against him, even though PacMan had nothing to do with that poster.

I also said this before the poster was ever posted

I honestly think this interview is hurting him even more.

You dont get in trouble that many times and are never guilty.

If he REALLY is innocent this many times then either way hes going to get in trouble because people are going to put stuff on him.

Whether its real or not is irrelevant with me. People are going to be out to get him.

If I were him and it was fake I would sue. I think most people in his situation would too.

 

[coogrfan]

This is a great...a preview of life with Pacman. He hasnt even been traded for yet, we aren't even into off season workouts, and already we have to debate whether or not he is scheduled to attend, is attending, some after hours function with strippers.

Who needs the headache??? Obviously I am completely against him coming here. He has what's called a "track record" and I frankly, I have no confidence in his "changing his ways" at this point in time.

The interview on Irvin's show confirmed this. His comment that he hasn't ruled out strip clubs forever, instead for just 2-3 years, is testament to his thinking - temporary. This is all temporary. Not real change.

If he wears the Star I will cheer for his on-field accomplishments, but that's about the Star, not him.

My prediction is that he gets himself suspended/banned right at the end of the year because he'll probably be able to keep his nose relatively clean most of the season. By season's end, he'll feel like the heat is off and he can relax, and "it won't hurt."

Excellent post, I concur 100%.

 

[superpunk]

If I were him and it was fake I would sue. I think most people in his situation would too.

I doubt anyone would. The reward wouldn't be worth the cost. How much is he gonna get from a two-bit promotions company that wanted to use his name to attract business?

How much would his lawyer fees be?

It wouldn't make sense.

He got in no trouble from this poster incident, and he contacted them once he was made aware. You're reaching just to fuel your preconceptions, and it's foolish.

It's much more wise to give someone a chance without pitting yourself against the very idea.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

The Titans DID get a court order to stop him from wrestling, though. It was only after he agreed for it to be so limited that he couldn't be hurt that they were okay with it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/08/10/AR2007081001495.html

Titans Tell Pacman Jones Pro Wrestling Would Violate His Contract

Posted Jul 31st 2007 5:53AM by Michael David Smith
Filed under: Titans, NFL Gossip, Nashville, The Word, Pro Wrestling
Titans cornerback Pacman Jones is apparently in discussions to sign with the professional wrestling outfit TNA. But while Jones is suspended for the entire 2007 season, he's still under contract with the Titans, and the team isn't keen on his latest venture.
"That type of thing is not permitted in accordance with the player's contract,'' Coach Jeff Fisher said Monday....

"He's a football player. He's no wrestler,'' linebacker Keith Bulluck said. "He needs to concentrate on other things besides wrestling.

"I think he has enough on his plate right now. But you never know with that guy. Who knows what he is going to do. I don't know if that is the best thing to do, but at the same time it not my decision, it's Pac's.''
Jones is not permitted to practice with the team, but he is allowed to work out and watch film once a week. He was at the Titans' practice facility Monday, but he didn't talk to the media, and teammates said he didn't talk to them about wrestling. TNA said it expects to have an announcement about his status with the organization soon, and there are indications that he'll sign some type of contract with TNA but not actually get in the ring to wrestle.

I don't see anything wrong with Catch's beliefs. He doesn't like the guy. So what, plenty of other people don't like him, either. I bet you Parcells wouldn't want anything to do with him.

 

[superpunk]

The Titans DID get a court order to stop him from wrestling, though. It was only after he agreed for it to be so limited that he couldn't be hurt that they were okay with it.

That doesn't support the idea that he got involved with it against the Titans wishes at all.

By all means, don't like him and don't want him here. But don't jump on every little thing, and make up BS that you're unsure of just so you can make it sound like a WORSE idea.

 

[alancdc]

Nothing this joker does would surprise me sad to say.

 

[CATCH17]

That doesn't support the idea that he got involved with it against the Titans wishes at all.

By all means, don't like him and don't want him here. But don't jump on every little thing, and make up BS that you're unsure of just so you can make it sound like a WORSE idea.

I didn't really make anything up.

I never knew that his team eventually agreed to letting him do it.

All I remember was what they were saying when the story first broke and I know they weren't happy and it looked like another stupid move on his part.

Also if he were smart why would he go to TNA and let his gimmick basically be a thug who likes to "make it rain"?

 

[coogrfan]

That doesn't support the idea that he got involved with it against the Titans wishes at all.

It doesn't? Are you saying that you think a court order was the Titans way of saying "go for it, dude"?

 

[superpunk]

It doesn't? Are you saying that you think a court order was the Titans way of saying "go for it, dude"?

Those of us that are familiar with the english language understand

"got into professional wrestling extremely against his teams wishes just a couple months ago"

to mean that his team was against it, but he did it anyway.

His team was against him doing anything that got him injured. That is why they filed the order. But his team was absolutely fine with him getting involved with wrestling, as shown by the quotes from Steve Underwood that I provided.

Steve Underwood, chief operating officer of the Titans, said nothing changed as far as the team is concerned.


"It doesn't mean he can't participate and be present at whatever he's under contract to do with them. It just means that he can't participate in anything where he's going to get hurt. That was always our concern," Underwood said.

And what if Jones does get hurt?

"We're not going to go there. He's not going to get hurt," Underwood said. "He can't do anything that poses risk of significant injury, and all parties are in agreement with that."

This isn't difficult to understand. The restraining order was not to prevent him from getting involved AT ALL - it was to keep him from doing something that could get him hurt. All his involvement with wrestling was done with the Titans blessing.

 

[coogrfan]

Those of us that are familiar with the english language understand

"got into professional wrestling extremely against his teams wishes just a couple months ago"

to mean that his team was against it, but he did it anyway.

His team was against him doing anything that got him injured. That is why they filed the order. But his team was absolutely fine with him getting involved with wrestling, as shown by the quotes from Steve Underwood that I provided.


This isn't difficult to understand. The restraining order was not to prevent him from getting involved AT ALL - it was to keep him from doing something that could get him hurt. All his involvement with wrestling was done with the Titans blessing.

My bad, I missed that.

Would you agree that a court order would seem to indicate that Jones didn't discuss any of this with the Titans prior to signing on the dotted line with TNA?

 

[superpunk]

My bad, I missed that.

Would you agree that a court order would seem to indicate that Jones didn't discuss any of this with the Titans prior to signing on with the dotted line with TNA?

I don't see how that kind of speculation is relevant. NFL players are not contractually bound to discuss business ventures with their teams before they enter into them.

There's no way to know how much the Titans knew. It seems they became aware of it, panicked, and got the restraining order to be sure that they could protect themselves contractually. After all, if he had gotten hurt, he'd have been on their books for his contract, still.

It was a business move by the Titans, that doesn't reflect badly on PacMan in any way.

 

[CATCH17]

I don't see how that kind of speculation is relevant. NFL players are not contractually bound to discuss business ventures with their teams before they enter into them.

There's no way to know how much the Titans knew. It seems they became aware of it, panicked, and got the restraining order to be sure that they could protect themselves contractually. After all, if he had gotten hurt, he'd have been on their books for his contract, still.

It was a business move by the Titans, that doesn't reflect badly on PacMan in any way.

Anyone who has gone to see the wizard of oz and has a brain would know to contact their million dollar employer, especially in the situation hes been in, before going into something like that.

 

[Bleu Star]

The interview on Irvin's show confirmed this. His comment that he hasn't ruled out strip clubs forever, instead for just 2-3 years, is testament to his thinking - temporary. This is all temporary. Not real change.

ZZZZZZZ

I'm a fairly successful man of color. I have never been in any trouble. I'm in my mid 30s and I still listen to hip hop/rap as if I were still 20. I have a strong affection for a particular strip club in my area and donate a portion of my disposable income to the needy every chance I get...

Carry on with your hypothesis.

 

[Yakuza Rich]

ZZZZZZZ

I'm a fairly successful man of color. I have never been in any trouble. I'm in my mid 30s and I still listen to hip hop/rap as if I were still 20. I have a strong affection for a particular strip club in my area and donate a portion of my disposable income to the needy every chance I get...

Carry on with your hypothesis.

Have you ever got in trouble with the law on numerous occasions at the strip club?

After awhile you would think that somebody who has gotten in the trouble that Pacman has in a strip club would likely avoid them at all costs. Especially when it's gotten to the point where it has threatened his livelihood. And you would think with Pacman's money he would at least have the common sense to build a pole in his house and bring the strippers to him and his friends. All of these things Pacman doesn't seem interested in doing and that pretty much makes him a person that hasn't learned his lesson and is willing to keep making the same dumb mistake. He doesn't have to live like a hermit and he doesn't even have to give up his friends or his music preferences. He just has to be a little smarter about where he goes to socialize.




YAKUZA

 

[Bleu Star]

Have you ever got in trouble with the law on numerous occasions at the strip club?

After awhile you would think that somebody who has gotten in the trouble that Pacman has in a strip club would likely avoid them at all costs. Especially when it's gotten to the point where it has threatened his livelihood. And you would think with Pacman's money he would at least have the common sense to build a pole in his house and bring the strippers to him and his friends. All of these things Pacman doesn't seem interested in doing and that pretty much makes him a person that hasn't learned his lesson and is willing to keep making the same dumb mistake. He doesn't have to live like a hermit and he doesn't even have to give up his friends or his music preferences. He just has to be a little smarter about where he goes to socialize.




YAKUZA

I believe he's working on that but, as usual, at present I am the minority on the board. I saw it with TO and this will be no different. In Calvin I trust.