DMN Blog: Some Broncos' nuggets

[Dcowboy84]

let me say first in regards to all this talk about streaks of how many passes w/o an interception and a sack, blah blah blah.

if i remember correctly when we played against them on thanksgiving a few years back Plummer was on a streak of like 200 passes w/o an interception and we broke that streak.

not saying we'll for sure break the streak, but like someone already said streaks come to an end so you can't just blurt out streaks as a reason to win a game.


secondly, i lived in denver for 17 years, and i heard a lot of talk from bronco fans, and they always pissed me off....however in the last 24 hours i think i've seen more trashtalking and conceited posts by denver fans then i see from divisional opponents fans.

could one of these denver fans approach at least one post in a respectful manner and actually discuss the game instead of just making claims?

why don't one of you follow Theebs example and breakdown one of our games and state things that you saw?

oh wait i forgot, Orton doesn't throw picks, the o-line doesn't give up sacks....game's already over:bang3:

 

[CrazyCowboy]

Ware's first sack of the year will be really sweet now

 

[SDogo]

From somebody well on the way to being 'extinct'.

huh? :laugh2:

 

[BroncosChamp420]

wow. You dont really follow along well do you?

There is a stat for fumbles lost and fumbles recovered. From what I saw from the oakland game, your backs put the ball on the ground alot.

Moreno fumbled on second down on the opening drive in the redzone. Yes you recovered it, but if that were too continue, the odds are stacked against recovering them.

And that was my point. ANd the same applies to orton, He made a terrible read and throw, he happened to luck out that huff simply dropped the ball. I would be willing to bet if he makes that same error 10 times, he gets picked 9 times.


and those were in the red zone. When you play better football teams redzone mistakes becoming a glaring problem.

Broncos have had 3 fumbles and have lost two.
Cowboys have had 2 fubles and lost one

Broncos have 0 int on season
Cowboys have 3 int on season

Broncos have a +6 turnover ratio
Cowboys have a -1 turnover ratio

Seems you guys have bigger problems than we do

 

[jobberone]

Ok lets go by this years stats then.

Broncos rank tied for 3rd giving up 3 sacks. 0 in the last two weeks.
Broncos tied for 1st with 0 interceptions thrown

Cowboys rank 25th with 3 sacks on the season
Cowboys rank 15th with 2 int

All of your sacks and int came against Carolina.

You're forgetting to qualify that against the competition. The Giants haven't given up many sacks or INTs. Tampa Bay as well. Your competition isn't quite on par with same.

You can only play against the teams on your schedule. The stats are what they are at this point.

Exactly. And your only win against a good team was a fluke. Our loss was two flukes against a definite SB contending team in the top five of the NFL. And we looked dominating at times against NY. Not discounting the TOs which beat us. But if Tony protected the ball as well as the other games we win the NY game going away.

Your team is not as talented. But they have some advantages and you're not nearly as bad as some predicted. Not yet anyway.

I'll make you a wager if you're up to it. If you're as good as you say you are then you'll give me the routine 3 points for a home game. The loser has to put the logo of the winning team in his sig along with the score until their team wins a game. How's that or make a counterproposal.

 

[theebs]

Broncos have had 3 fumbles and have lost two.
Cowboys have had 2 fubles and lost one

Broncos have 0 int on season
Cowboys have 3 int on season

Broncos have a +6 turnover ratio
Cowboys have a -1 turnover ratio

Seems you guys have bigger problems than we do

I havent watched the bengals or browns game yet. So I have an incomplete on knowledge of those other games.

+6 looks pretty good.

If you continue to put the ball on the ground and throw it to the other teams safety that will change quickly. Especially when the quality of competition increases.

That +6 can look awful different just like the -1 here in Dallas can.

Dallas had two balls they should have caught from manning for picks, but they didnt and we had a fluke play offf of wittens heel for an int.

You guys have recovered your own fumbles and had at least one int dropped by a defender, and you have that crazy fluke play against cincy go your way.

THings have a way off leveling off the more games you play. Plus you wont always be playing mcfadden who seems to have no idea how to hold onto the football and russell, who cant read the defense it appears very well.

You definitely have momentum on defense and that always carries over.

 

[BroncosChamp420]

You're forgetting to qualify that against the competition. The Giants haven't given up many sacks or INTs. Tampa Bay as well. Your competition isn't quite on par with same.



Exactly. And your only win against a good team was a fluke. Our loss was two flukes against a definite SB contending team in the top five of the NFL. And we looked dominating at times against NY. Not discounting the TOs which beat us. But if Tony protected the ball as well as the other games we win the NY game going away.

Your team is not as talented. But they have some advantages and you're not nearly as bad as some predicted. Not yet anyway.

I'll make you a wager if you're up to it. If you're as good as you say you are then you'll give me the routine 3 points for a home game. The loser has to put the logo of the winning team in his sig along with the score until their team wins a game. How's that or make a counterproposal.

Last time I checked there is just a Win and a loss. "Fluke" is an excuse.

 

[skinsscalper]

10 to 1 says Broncschump is nowhere to be found after Sunday's game.

 

[alancdc]

Broncos have had 3 fumbles and have lost two.
Cowboys have had 2 fubles and lost one

Broncos have 0 int on season
Cowboys have 3 int on season

Broncos have a +6 turnover ratio
Cowboys have a -1 turnover ratio

Seems you guys have bigger problems than we do

Absolutely right. Should we still get on the plane to Denver, or just petition the league to go ahead and give you the W.

 

[BroncosChamp420]

Absolutely right. Should we still get on the plane to Denver, or just petition the league to go ahead and give you the W.

No where in my post did I state that we were going to blow you guys out or even win the game. I was just presenting some information. I hope your team gets on the plane because I am looking foward to a close hardfought game. I also have some great tickets to the game and always enjoy a Sunday at Mile High.

 

[dallasfaniac]

Seems you guys have bigger problems than we do

And that problem being the competition faced.

I've already shown you how your stats are overinflated because the sacks and ints you caused came against teams that were amongst the worst in the NFL each week of this season, not just against you. I've shown that our stats are underinflated becausee the teams we failed to get our sacks and ints against haven't given them up to other teams they have faced either.

Last year, the teams we faced went 33-15, yours went 13-34-1.

The trend in all of these stats, last year and this year, are that you guys faced far inferior teams so far this season while we faced teams are better than their records show and weere either in the playoffs or just barely missed last year.

What you are suggesting is that 6 teams have dramatically changed from last year to this year. You are suggesting that the Giants (12-4), Bucs (9-7) and Panthers (12-4), are now bottom dwellers and that the Bengals, Raiders and Browns who combined for 13 wins last year are now possible contenders.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm looking forward to this game. I think it will give us a good idea of where we are at on both sides of the ball. I feel good about this game. It's always tough to play Denver at home but if we are going to be a championship quality team, these are the kinds of games we have to win.

We should have beaten the Giants but we didn't. Here is another chance to prove our metel.

 

[BroncosChamp420]

And that problem being the competition faced.

I've already shown you how your stats are overinflated because the sacks and ints you caused came against teams that were amongst the worst in the NFL each week of this season, not just against you. I've shown that our stats are underinflated becausee the teams we failed to get our sacks and ints against haven't given them up to other teams they have faced either.

Last year, the teams we faced went 33-15, yours went 13-34-1.

The trend in all of these stats, last year and this year, are that you guys faced far inferior teams so far this season while we faced teams that either were in the playoffs or just barely missed last year.

What you are suggesting is that 6 teams have dramatically changed from last year to this year. You are suggesting that the Giants (12-4), Bucs (9-7) and Panthers (12-4), are now bottom dwellers and that the Bengals, Raiders and Browns who combined for 13 wins last year are now possible contenders.

Bucs, Panthers, Clevland, Oakland all look to be bottom dwellers. Cinci and NY appear to be good so far this season. I don't put much stock into last season because it is over.

 

[dallasfaniac]

I don't put much stock into last season because it is over.

You are correct. It is much easier to rely upon a very limited window of games versus inferior opponents than look at a trend. Looking at this year, Tom Brady is near the bottom the NFL as a quarterback. Forget about the established trend, I would take Orton over him any day.

 

[BroncosChamp420]

You are correct. It is much easier to rely upon a very limited window of games versus inferior opponents than look at a trend. Looking at this year, Tom Brady is near the bottom the NFL as a quarterback. Forget about the established trend, I would take Orton over him any day.

You focus on the past and I will focus on the present. Which is more viable THIS season? So far this season Orton has not been better but more effective than Brady so far. Things can change and im sure than will but you dont know till the games are played ThIS season.

 

[dallasfaniac]

You focus on the past and I will focus on the present.

The present being no matter how you slice it, we have faced better competition and when faced with teams that are of the same caliber as all three teams you faced, put up 3 sacks and 2 INTs. It's only icing on the cake that the teams we faced were playoff caliber teams for the last 5 years while the teams you faced are perenial bottom dwellers, this year being no different.

I'm not the one going to an opponents board just because my team is 3-0, which is pretty sad.

 

[LowTech]

10 to 1 says Broncschump is nowhere to be found after Sunday's game.

I'd put the odds much higher that we won't see him again after Sunday.

These Denver trolls revealed their true colors yesterday when one of them said they would beat the Patriots. After which I could not stop laughing.

 

[BroncosChamp420]

I'd put the odds much higher that we won't see him again after Sunday.

These Denver trolls revealed their true colors yesterday when one of them said they would beat the Patriots. After which I could not stop laughing.

FYI Patriots have not looked very good at all. Even Pats fans will tell you that.

 

[joseephuss]

You focus on the past and I will focus on the present. Which is more viable THIS season? So far this season Orton has not been better but more effective than Brady so far. Things can change and im sure than will but you dont know till the games are played ThIS season.

Orton is one of the biggest fluke plays in NFL history away from averaging less than 200 yards per game and having his QB rating being about 10 points lower. He did nothing special on that play, but just get rewarded for being lucky. A team is not going to have much long term success when the QB completes just under 56% of his passes.

The past is part of the present. It can't be completely ignored. I have a lot more confidence in Tom Brady than I do in Kyle Orton because of what each has done in the past. To ignore that completely would be silly.

 

[BroncosChamp420]

Orton is one of the biggest fluke plays in NFL history away from averaging less than 200 yards per game and having his QB rating being about 10 points lower. He did nothing special on that play, but just get rewarded for being lucky. A team is not going to have much long term success when the QB completes just under 56% of his passes.

The past is part of the present. It can't be completely ignored. I have a lot more confidence in Tom Brady than I do in Kyle Orton because of what each has done in the past. To ignore that completely would be silly.

Luck is a large part of every NFL game. What did Brady do last year? Im not saying he is a bad QB but if have watched any of his games this season he has not looked the same since his knee was destroyed.