DMN Blog: T.O. says Parcells is 'out of touch'

[InmanRoshi]

:laugh2: what about Pete Carroll?

Yep, that's why Pete Carroll was so great at New England because he understood modern era NFL players.

He would call in plays like "Yo, checkit. Deuce Right Waggle 15H Throwback. You feelin me?"

And the players were all like "Word?"

Automatic touchdown.

 

[InmanRoshi]

And here I thought this thread was about Bill Parcells.....

Yeah, what connection could Tom Coughlin and Bill Belichick have with Bill Parcells.

 

[CoCo]

I think there is some middle ground on this issue but I'm not sure its obvious exactly where it is.

Making exceptions is dangerous business when you are trying to build a foundation.

 

[SultanOfSix]

Yeah, what would Tom Coughlin and Bill Belichick possibly have to do with Bill Parcells.

I'm not sure, but last I checked Coughlin pretty much lucked his way into a championship by finding a good defensive coordinator and losing two players who screwed team chemistry.

Last I checked Belichick is pretty much a cheater.

Parcells is a great GM and a good coach, but he is out of touch with some players.

 

[Stash]

Yeah, what would Tom Coughlin and Bill Belichick possibly have to do with Bill Parcells.

The fact that they're not him?

Sorry, but I think bringing up Super Bowl winning coaches who aren't Bill Parcells as some sort of defense of him being out of touch is weak and doesn't hold a lot of weight with me.

Fact is that Parcells' methods haven't won him a championship for a long time.

And his improved teams get further away from a championship at each stop.

Parcells is still a knowledgeable man and an asset to a football team, but some of his methods are juvenile and unnecessary and I think it's OK to criticize him for it.

 

[dcfanatic]

That's the trouble with the "old school" coaches like Bill Belichick and Tom Coughlin ... they are outdated and can't win in today's NFL.

On the other side of the coin you got Cam Cameran, Herm Edwards, Mike Nolan and Scott Linehan who are really cool "new school" guys who have their finger on the pulse of today's NFL players. That's why their teams win so many games.

Brilliant.

The problem is that today's players think they are bigger than the team.

Greg Ellis.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I'm not sure, but last I checked Coughlin pretty much lucked his way into a championship by finding a good defensive coordinator and losing two players who screwed team chemistry.

First of all, I don't know how you "luck" into a Championship when we can't even luck into a playoff win in over a decade.

Second, you now believe "team chemistry" or "team attitude" have something to do with winning? That sounds awfully like an antiquated, Parcells-esque "old school" outlook to me. I thought you were just supposed to bend over backwards and do whatever you can to make appease guys like Shockey and Tiki to make them happy, because even though they're pain in the butts and have an over-inflated opinion of themselves at the end of the day they're superior talents and make your team better on paper.

 

[theogt]

That's the trouble with the "old school" coaches like Bill Belichick and Tom Coughlin ... they are outdated and can't win in today's NFL.

On the other side of the coin you got Cam Cameran, Herm Edwards, Mike Nolan and Scott Linehan who are really cool "new school" guys who have their finger on the pulse of today's NFL players. That's why their teams win so many games.

Coughlin did change to a "new school" type coach.

First of all, I don't know how you "luck" into a Championship when we can't even luck into a playoff win in over a decade.

Second, you now believe "team chemistry" or "team attitude" have something to do with winning? That sounds awfully like an antiquated, Parcells-esque "old school" outlook to me. I thought you were just supposed to bend over backwards and do whatever you can to make appease guys like Shockey and Tiki to make them happy, because even though they're pain in the butts and have an over-inflated opinion of themselves at the end of the day they're superior talents and make your team better on paper.

There's a difference between being a good teammate and doing everything the coach tells you to do.

Parcells's "character" emphasis seems to care about the latter, not the former.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Coughlin did change to a "new school" type coach.

Yeah, it's amazing how that works .... when he loses he's "too old school for today's NFL", but when his teams win (and Coughlin's teams have won quite a bit as a HC) it's not because his "old school" approach works, it's because the magic "new school fairy" flew into his bedroom at night and sprinkled magic "new school" dust on him, and he suddenly just changed his ways after almost 40 years of coaching.

 

[Hostile]

Maybe we need a Tuna Shrine Zone for those who can't let go?

 

[theogt]

Yeah, it's amazing how that works .... when he loses he's "too old school for today's NFL", but when his teams win (and Coughlin's teams have won quite a bit as a HC) it's not because his "old school" approach works, it's because the magic "new school fairy" flew into his bedroom at night and sprinkled magic "new school" dust on him, and he suddenly just changed his ways after almost 40 years of coaching.

The big story about him changing his style happened before the season even began. You can say it's merely coincidental, but you can't lump Coughlin into the "old school" style coaches group.

 

[SultanOfSix]

First of all, I don't know how you "luck" into a Championship when we can't even luck into a playoff win in over a decade.

I explained it to you already. Of course I was just exaggerating on it being luck, only to exemplify that there were things that weren't his doing that led to the championship.

Second, you now believe "team chemistry" or "team attitude" have something to do with winning? That sounds awfully like an antiquated, Parcells-esque "old school" outlook to me.

To me that sounds like coaching 101, and not something that could be relegated to being "Pacells-esque". I'm surprised it took Coughlin several years to figure out the chemistry part, if in fact he did, because he was helped out by the retirement of Tiki, and the injury loss of Shockey, none of which he had a hand in. Perhaps if he benched Tiki for his consistent whining, and Shockey for his behavior, we could attribute these moves to Coughlin.

I thought you were just supposed to bend over backwards and do whatever you can to make appease guys like Shockey and Tiki to make them happy, because even though they're pain in the butts and have an over-inflated opinion of themselves at the end of the day they're superior talents and make your team better on paper.

See above.

 

[CATCH17]

Parcells cleaned up an awful mess at Valley Ranch.

Hes stubborn but thats the only bad thing I can say about him.

The Dolphins will be a better organization for having BP.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Maybe we need a Tuna Shrine Zone for those who can't let go?

or a Tuna-bash-athon every month

we could call it

Tunaboohoopuhlooza

 

[Hostile]

or a Tuna-basathon every month

I'd enjoy that one.

Good riddance.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

That was hardcore old school when Coughlin let Strahan skip the entire offseason and training camp last year.

 

[iceberg]

The last thing TO needs is some controversial remark when everything is looking up for him. Keep being a choirboy, TO. Keep the remarks to yourself.

The guy is brutally honest and it gets him in trouble.

people need thicker skin.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Perhaps if he benched Tiki for his consistent whining, and Shockey for his behavior, we could attribute these moves to Coughlin.

Well, one of the reasons Tiki retired is because he didn't get along with Coughlin. And Shockey has repeatedly complained that he's asked to block and do too much dirty work in the offense, when he wants to be "free to do his thing". Which is one of the reasons he's been publicly lobbying for a trade this offseason ... which Coughlin and the Giants have pretty much respoded with Shut Up and Get Back To Work, which is pretty much identical to the stance that Parcells is taking with Jason Taylor ... which TO seemingly has such a problem with. But despite TO's accusations, Parcells has never "called out" Jason Taylor publicly for anything ... it's Jason Taylor who's run for the first microphone he can find at every opportunity. Maybe that's why TO identifies with him so much.

 

[Alexander]

I'm not sure, but last I checked Coughlin pretty much lucked his way into a championship by finding a good defensive coordinator and losing two players who screwed team chemistry.

Last I checked Belichick is pretty much a cheater.

If it is all cheating, we need to break more rules and if it is luck, then by all means throw some our way.

 

[Alexander]

The big story about him changing his style happened before the season even began. You can say it's merely coincidental, but you can't lump Coughlin into the "old school" style coaches group.

He didn't suddenly turn into a kinder gentler Tom Coughlin.

They won, and the back biting that occurred with people like Barber and Shockey was absent. That was the difference.