DMN Blog: T.O. Talks Ray Lewis...Punching in/Punching Out (Reeves)

[Stash]

Paying someone a million dollars or more who was not going to put the time into the job.

Yeah, he was willing to work 60-80 hours a week to be San Fran's offensive coordinator but Jerry had to worry about having him 'punch a clock' to put in his 40 in Dallas?

OK.

You just keep believing whatever Jerry tells you.

 

[Wrangler87]

I hope against all hope that we do not sign Ray Lewis. Why do we insist on signing big contracts to guys who are on the downside of their career. Will the Cowboys ever learn?

But, back to Lewis. I draw the line at Lewis. The same line I almost drew at Pac Man Jones last year (had I known then what I know now). This year, I draw the line. I'll simply quite wasting my Sundays. I will not cheer for an individual who I believe was involved in a crime of that magnitude. I hope this doesn't happen. This is the only player in football that I would turn in my fandom over.

 

[Wrangler87]

Yeah, he was willing to work 60-80 hours a week to be San Fran's offensive coordinator but Jerry had to worry about having him 'punch a clock' to put in his 40 in Dallas?

OK.

You just keep believing whatever Jerry tells you.

I agree. Did you notice Jerry's rant about people other than him hiring and firing players, then he said that had nothing to do with Reeves? Okay then, why even say it?

That's your real reason. Reeves wanted the ability to hire and fire players to some degree. Jerry didn't want to do that. They agreed it would not work, and agreed before Reeves left the office, on this lame "clock in" story to give the media because it would be easier to swallow than the truth would.

 

[BigDFan5]

In comparison, how many playoff games has our head coach won?

I can play this foolish game too.

And I'm not asking you to agree with me or bow to my opinions, but the points you're trying to make are totally off base.

There's no comparison between Warfield and Reeves, much less what their respective roles were.

You have no idea what their roles were or would have been.

The same line is in every contract, and Dan Reeves gets pissy?

It was not an insult or anything else, Reeves should have signed it if he had no problem working the hours

 

[BigDFan5]

And yet Reeves had never seen a nything so ridiculous in all his years in the league?

Something's not right.

How may times has he signed a contract for the Cowboys?

Heck how many times has he signed an adviser deal? once

Yeah, 4 different 'teams' - try to keep up.

I didn't say 4 different franchises, I said 4 teams.

My bad

And please keeep in mind who we currently have as a head coach before you attempt to minimize Reeves' accomplishments, OK?

Hello I dont like Wade fire him for all I care this thread is not about that though

 

[BigDFan5]

Nope.

I also didn't see any relevance either.

No relevance between our last adviser and the new adviser? ok

 

[BigDFan5]

Yeah, he was willing to work 60-80 hours a week to be San Fran's offensive coordinator but Jerry had to worry about having him 'punch a clock' to put in his 40 in Dallas?

OK.

You just keep believing whatever Jerry tells you.

Wait you think he would literally have to punch a clock?

 

[dallascowboyfanboy]

well Crabtree won't be a Cowboy so that doesn't really matter. I'm interested in seeing Crabtree in the pros cause a lot of people are hyping him up to be in the top tier of wrs and I'm not seeing that. I think he will be good but not Randy Moss/Larry/Calvin good.

actually Crab being compared to Andre Johnson who many scouts, GMs, CB's and Wr's think is the best WR in the NFL, and Crab has only played WR for 2 years. By his 3rd year in the league he will be a top WR especially playing for Seattle or Oakland.

 

[BehindEnemyLinez]

I still don't get all the "love" for Dan Reeves! Yes, he's a former player & asst. coach but that's where the love affair should end! He's led teams to the Super Bowl but has never won them (as a H/C) so in that regard he's no better than Wade (sorry, you get no love from me just for making it there). I don't see how he was "disresepected" by Jones for asking him for a certain amount of commitment as far as being physically in-house & available for the team. The NFL is a business and being as the two aren't close, personal friends a "handshake" aggreement just doesn't fly when paying out seven figures!

 

[AsthmaField]

There's no comparison between Warfield and Reeves, much less what their respective roles were.

I agree that there is no comparison between what Reeves has accomplished in the NFL and what Warfield has accomplished.

However, if Jerry did hire Warfield as a consultant and he indeed didn't put in nearly the hours that Jerry had expected him to... why then shouldn't Jerry put a clause in the contract being specific about what type of time committment he would expect from any consultant?

I can totally see Jerry getting burned by any consultant and Jerry thinking, "That will never happen to me again. The next consultant I hire, I'm going to create a clause that will protect me from over paying for little effort."

Jerry likely didn't expect any flak from Reeves about the clause, and when Dan did indeed balk at that clause, it probably threw up a red flag to Jerry.

Do we know that is what happened? No. However, it makes so much sense, that I can't imagine it being very far from what actually happened. I'm sure Jerry knows Reeves put in plenty of time to do what he's done in the past... but given Dan's advanced age, and his unwillingness to sign a contract with a time clause actually in it... Jerry probably thought it would be too risky to remove the stipulation.

IMO, it isn't out of character at all for an agressive, self-made millionaire to not budge on any issue of commitment.

Reeves, in all probability, would have given the time commitment that Jerry expected... however, him blowing up the whole deal because of that clause does bring into question whether or not he was willing to spend that much time working or not. He did turn down the coordinator job in San Fran to work as a consultant... now, in retrospect, I have to wonder if working less hours per week didn't have something to do with his decision.

Let's put it this way... I know that I wouldn't have balked at a time commitment clause in the contract. No way. Even if I felt a little insulted that it was even in the contract. afterall... pride comes before the fall.

The aftermath of Dan's hurt feelings was walking away from what you'd think would be considered his dream job. That makes me question if it was more than pride (i.e. he truly didn't plan on working as much as Jerry wanted him to).

Just my $0.02

 

[Stash]

You have no idea what their roles were or would have been.

The same line is in every contract, and Dan Reeves gets pissy?

It was not an insult or anything else, Reeves should have signed it if he had no problem working the hours

It absolutely is an insult to put an idiotic clause like that in the contract of a man of Reeves' stature.

If Reeves had never seen such a thing before, how is it 'every contract'?

Oh, wait he's lying, right?

If you think Reeves' role would have been the same as the token role that Warfield had, that's on you. And you're alone in that little boat if ya didn't know.

 

[Stash]

No relevance between our last adviser and the new adviser? ok

Only for you.

Nobody else.

 

[Stash]

Wait you think he would literally have to punch a clock?

I did put it in quotes, so no, it was not meant to be literal.

But the whole subject is so ridiculous that he may as well.

It wouldn't have been any less foolish or any less insulting.

 

[BigDFan5]

It absolutely is an insult to put an idiotic clause like that in the contract of a man of Reeves' stature.

If Reeves had never seen such a thing before, how is it 'every contract'?

Oh, wait he's lying, right?

If you think Reeves' role would have been the same as the token role that Warfield had, that's on you. And you're alone in that little boat if ya didn't know.

You arent this dense are you? How many contracts has Reeves signed with Jerry? ZERO


LMAO @ "token role" You didnt even know Warfield was here and now you know the scope of his job? Please

 

[BigDFan5]

Only for you.

Nobody else.

 

[BigDFan5]

I did put it in quotes, so no, it was not meant to be literal.

But the whole subject is so ridiculous that he may as well.

It wouldn't have been any less foolish or any less insulting.

So it is ridiculous for someone to have to come to work and do their job a set amount of hours?

 

[AMERICAS_FAN]

Just like there are two sides to our #1 WR, Terrell Owens, and T.O., there will be two sides to our new ILB, Ray Lewis and Ray-Ray

Yeah! Get-errr done Jerry!

 

[BulletBob]

I agree that there is no comparison between what Reeves has accomplished in the NFL and what Warfield has accomplished.

However, if Jerry did hire Warfield as a consultant and he indeed didn't put in nearly the hours that Jerry had expected him to... why then shouldn't Jerry put a clause in the contract being specific about what type of time committment he would expect from any consultant?

I can totally see Jerry getting burned by any consultant and Jerry thinking, "That will never happen to me again. The next consultant I hire, I'm going to create a clause that will protect me from over paying for little effort."

Jerry likely didn't expect any flak from Reeves about the clause, and when Dan did indeed balk at that clause, it probably threw up a red flag to Jerry.

Do we know that is what happened? No. However, it makes so much sense, that I can't imagine it being very far from what actually happened. I'm sure Jerry knows Reeves put in plenty of time to do what he's done in the past... but given Dan's advanced age, and his unwillingness to sign a contract with a time clause actually in it... Jerry probably thought it would be too risky to remove the stipulation.

IMO, it isn't out of character at all for an agressive, self-made millionaire to not budge on any issue of commitment.

Reeves, in all probability, would have given the time commitment that Jerry expected... however, him blowing up the whole deal because of that clause does bring into question whether or not he was willing to spend that much time working or not. He did turn down the coordinator job in San Fran to work as a consultant... now, in retrospect, I have to wonder if working less hours per week didn't have something to do with his decision.

Let's put it this way... I know that I wouldn't have balked at a time commitment clause in the contract. No way. Even if I felt a little insulted that it was even in the contract. afterall... pride comes before the fall.

The aftermath of Dan's hurt feelings was walking away from what you'd think would be considered his dream job. That makes me question if it was more than pride (i.e. he truly didn't plan on working as much as Jerry wanted him to).

Just my $0.02

:signmast: Most sensible postulation about what actually occurred of all the posts in this thread.

All of the other posts regarding "insults, respect, etc." are written from the perspective of a fan.

When you are running a business, you simply cannot hire consultants with a gentleman's agreement and a handshake. Even if you were hiring your brother-in-law you get all of your expectations down on paper.

You would also put in contingency clauses indicating what happens if the consultant is not physically able to show up for work anymore. Dan has a history of heart problems.

Oh yeah - that's just silly. That would be an "insult." The man has too much respect to ever have a heart attack. Just pay him and let him show up whenever he wants.

It's easy to spend someone else's money so freely, isn't it?

 

[Stash]

You arent this dense are you? How many contracts has Reeves signed with Jerry? ZERO

No, the guy has signed contracts with real football men, not guys who think they are because they can afford to buy a team.

LMAO @ "token role" You didnt even know Warfield was here and now you know the scope of his job? Please

Yeah, because he was never around!

But I guess someone like you sees 'consultant' and figures they're all the same.

That's your problem.

 

[Stash]

So it is ridiculous for someone to have to come to work and do their job a set amount of hours?

Not at Burger King maybe.

But a man of Reeves' stature and accomplishments deserved better than to be insulted like that.