DMN Blog: Wade difference: Snap judgment

[WoodysGirl]

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One thing different about this camp is that players who make pre-snap penalities are now forced to sit out the play while someone else comes in and takes their place.

No one is immune. All-Pro tight end Jason Witten made two mental mistakes Thursday.

"To me, embarrassing a guy in front of everyone else and showing your teammates you're not doing it right, no matter who it is, gets them to concentrate more,'' Phillips said.

"When you run a guy after practice, you're punishing him but it's not in front of the whole team. It's something I wanted to do and we're going to try it.''

Players were punished for mistakes by running in the previous two camps under Phillips.



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[Meat-O-Rama]

I like the immediate effect of yanking a guy from a drill and replacing him. Making him run after practice sucks, but it's kind of like putting off the punishment. And who knows how many guys slacked off on the amount of running they should have been doing.

 

[theogt]

People said that Wade couldn't go from soft to tough. But I see it as the opposite. The entire team really seems to like Wade a lot. And now they know when he does things like this he's only doing it for the benefit of the team, not just to be some hard ***.

 

[Doomsday101]

People said that Wade couldn't go from soft to tough. But I see it as the opposite. The entire team really seems to like Wade a lot. And now they know when he does things like this he's only doing it for the benefit of the team, not just to be some hard ***.

Wade did not have to change his personality to hold players accountable. Wade is not the type who is going to kick the ice chest and rant but he can get the players attention with his action such as sitting a guy after a screw up or having them run after practice as well as increasing the 2 a days they are seeing this year.

 

[juck]

They get a break.He is a tuff cookie i tell ya.lol. They should go to sideline and do 20.

 

[WoodysGirl]

I wonder if there could be a combination of punishment in the form of run/snap.

Witten is a guy who could get away with a snap. A young guy fighting for a roster spot would be more hurt by being yanked than Witten.

Yeah Witten admits that he's embarassed by it, but unless it's done during a game, then I don't see the real punishment for him.

 

[speedkilz88]

One thing I would like him to do (which he may or may not do) is to go to individual players and tell them we need you to do this or ask them to do more. Some players may think they are giving their all but when challenged by the head coach may find they can squeeze some more effort.

 

[Doomsday101]

I wonder if there could be a combination of punishment in the form of run/snap.

Witten is a guy who could get away with a snap. A young guy fighting for a roster spot would be more hurt by being yanked than Witten.

Yeah Witten admits that he's embarassed by it, but unless it's done during a game, then I don't see the real punishment for him.

Maybe calling it a punishment is not the right term, maybe they see it as a quick reminder and acknowledgement of their screw up. We all know Witten job is not on the line

 

[Faerluna]

I wonder if there could be a combination of punishment in the form of run/snap.

Witten is a guy who could get away with a snap. A young guy fighting for a roster spot would be more hurt by being yanked than Witten.

Yeah Witten admits that he's embarassed by it, but unless it's done during a game, then I don't see the real punishment for him.

Somewhat helpful since there's a boatload of people there watching practice, mostly the die-hard fans.

 

[NextGenBoys]

It's not so much the embarrassment factor with me that I like, but the competition factor.

It doesnt really matter with Witten or Ware or whoever, but if its someone like Patrick Crayton, and he jumps offsides, that allows Miles Austin to take a rep from him, and gives Miles Austin another shot at showing what he can do. I'm not saying I want Miles or Pat, just giving an example.

These little things add up, and really help make competition better. We had no competition last year, and players got complacent.

 

[bbgun]

I wonder if there could be a combination of punishment in the form of run/snap.

Witten is a guy who could get away with a snap. A young guy fighting for a roster spot would be more hurt by being yanked than Witten.

Yeah Witten admits that he's embarassed by it, but unless it's done during a game, then I don't see the real punishment for him.

Agreed. Getting yanked is hardly a punishment. What player wouldn't welcome a little break from the activities? If you want to get them to concentrate, make the entire team run after practice. That'll get their attention right quick. BTW, does Tony get pulled for mistakes? If not, this whole thing is a charade.

 

[theogt]

Agreed. Getting yanked is hardly a punishment. What player wouldn't welcome a little break from the activities? If you want to get them to concentrate, make the entire team run after practice. That'll get their attention right quick.

I disagree to an extent. Having them run after practice can be too removed from the incident. And everyone is in on it together so it's not individualized. I can see how someone like Jason Witten would be extremely embarrassed to be yanked from the first team during practice, such that he'd be more focused going forward.

Now, for someone like Montrae Holland, you have a great point.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

People said that Wade couldn't go from soft to tough. But I see it as the opposite. The entire team really seems to like Wade a lot. And now they know when he does things like this he's only doing it for the benefit of the team, not just to be some hard ***.

No kidding. I never understood all the people who insisted, "A tough guy can get easier, but a laid-back guy can NEVER get tougher!!!"

Why not?

What neither guy can do is completely change his personality into some kind of phony. But I never saw why it was supposedly such a one-way street.

 

[dallasfaniac]

What player wouldn't welcome a little break from the activities?

Colombo?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Agreed. Getting yanked is hardly a punishment. What player wouldn't welcome a little break from the activities?

Seriously?

Unlike us, these guys actually have some pride.

 

[Big D]

It's not so much the embarrassment factor with me that I like, but the competition factor.

It doesnt really matter with Witten or Ware or whoever, but if its someone like Patrick Crayton, and he jumps offsides, that allows Miles Austin to take a rep from him, and gives Miles Austin another shot at showing what he can do. I'm not saying I want Miles or Pat, just giving an example.

These little things add up, and really help make competition better. We had no competition last year, and players got complacent.

Exactly! Reps are hard enough to get for younger players as it is. If a vet wants to slip up it gives a young guy an opportunity to impress the coaches.

 

[bbgun]

Seriously?

Unlike us, these guys actually have some pride.

44-6.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

44-6.

I guess this is going to be like the anti-"13-3".

 

[CoCo]

Count me as skeptical still that Wade can change his stripes to the point of significant impact.

The fact that Wade calls it "embarrassment in front of the whole team" tells me that Wade thinks this is a significant factor. Don't get me wrong, its better than nothing. But missing a single practice rep is the "punishment?" Shoot I could see some players thinking its a welcome breather.

I think it was yesterdays presser where Wade avoided "embarrassing someone in front of the whole team" because he didn't think it was appropriate. Go back to Hard Knocks and recall Wade "getting tough" with Spencer for missing his rehab (I think) and I simply see a guy who is long on compassion and where tough love is almost non-existent.

Wade is never going to be a disciplinarian. He simply doesn't carry himself that way. He has to fight against his inner Teddy Bear just to mete out any consequences at all.

So there's no hope? No. Actually, as I posted a few weeks ago, and still feel on this issue in particular, I think its going to be up to the players to hold each other accountable. Not the preferred formula but better than nothing and I do think that with TO's strong presence out of the way (no I'm not "blaming" him) and having lived last years meltdown, that players like Romo, Ware, Bradie, and others will play a stronger role in accountability this year.

I have far greater hope in that than I do Wade being able to get tough.

 

[bbgun]

I guess this is going to be like the anti-"13-3".

Am I that transparent?

Seriously though, these guys are multimillionaires who won't be fazed by a high school tactic like being (temporarily) yanked from practice. If you dock them some $ or make them run 'til they puke, that might make them perk up. Everything else is for show.