DMN Blog: Wade difference: Snap judgment

[Doomsday101]

Count me as skeptical still that Wade can change his stripes to the point of significant impact.

The fact that Wade calls it "embarrassment in front of the whole team" tells me that Wade thinks this is a significant factor. Don't get me wrong, its better than nothing. But missing a single practice rep is the "punishment?" Shoot I could see some players thinking its a welcome breather.

I think it was yesterdays presser where Wade avoided "embarrassing someone in front of the whole team" because he didn't think it was appropriate. Go back to Hard Knocks and recall Wade "getting tough" with Spencer for missing his rehab (I think) and I simply see a guy who is long on compassion and where tough love is almost non-existent.

Wade is never going to be a disciplinarian. He simply doesn't carry himself that way. He has to fight against his inner Teddy Bear just to mete out any consequences at all.

So there's no hope? No. Actually, as I posted a few weeks ago, and still feel on this issue in particular, I think its going to be up to the players to hold each other accountable. Not the preferred formula but better than nothing and I do think that with TO's strong presence out of the way (no I'm not "blaming" him) and having lived last years meltdown, that players like Romo, Ware, Bradie, and others will play a stronger role in accountability this year.

I have far greater hope in that than I do Wade being able to get tough.

We are picking 1 thing, sitting a player after a screw up but it has been more than that. Wade has added more 2 a day even more than when BP was here

The first two weekends of camp are stocked with two-a-days. Phillips will have the team practicing twice daily from Saturday-Monday on Aug. 1-3, and again Aug. 8-10. Three straight days of double practices hasn’t been seen around here in recent memory, including during Bill Parcells’ four-year tenure as coach.

Players have said things are being done differently we will see if that pays off.

 

[dallasfaniac]

I agree with pulling them for a play but they shouldn't just stand there and watch, they should do pushups or run to the endzone and back, etc.

 

[CoCo]

Am I that transparent?

Seriously though, these guys are multimillionaires who won't be fazed by a high school tactic like being (temporarily) yanked from practice. If you dock them some $ or make them run 'til they puke, that might make them perk up. Everything else is for show.

That's my take as well.

 

[Four]

Am I that transparent?

Seriously though, these guys are multimillionaires who won't be fazed by a high school tactic like being (temporarily) yanked from practice. If you dock them some $ or make them run 'til they puke, that might make them perk up. Everything else is for show.

cool you know what the players are thinking, what number is tony romo thinking of right now, kreskin?

 

[bbgun]

cool you know what the players are thinking, what number is tony romo thinking of right now, kreskin?

72, which coincides with your IQ.

 

[bbgun]

That's my take as well.

Well, Jimmy had an "Asthma Field" for a reason.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Am I that transparent?

Seriously though, these guys are multimillionaires who won't be fazed by a high school tactic like being (temporarily) yanked from practice.

Yes.

And every coach does stuff like this. How about hanging mousetraps from the ceiling the week before a game?

 

[Four]

72, which coincides with your IQ.

yes I am dumb, but you pretend to know what people think

dumb>delusional

 

[Doomsday101]

Wade is doing something different this year will it work we will find out?
We had BP here and ran into way to many penalties and loss of focus as well. The simple fact that Dallas is taking a different approach it may not be the approach our Jr. coaches in here would use but it is a change in trying to get this team to cut down on mistakes.

 

[CoCo]

Yes.

And every coach does stuff like this. How about hanging mousetraps from the ceiling the week before a game?

I don't disagree that most coaches do something like this.

Its just that in Wade's case it's Exhibit A for how he is now about toughness and discipline. Again, I'm glad he's doing something but I fear its mostly window dressing.

Its not as easy to dismiss Parcell's antics when you realize the guy lived and breathed discipline. Mousetraps from the ceiling were a very small part of Parcells repetoire. For Wade, I fear its the entire show.

And I don't mean to suggest Parcells was the answer or the complete package. Obviously in Dallas, he wasn't. I'm also not saying Wade can't succeed. Everyone brings their own strengths & weaknesses to the table. I'm just saying that if toughness and discipline is what's really lacking with this team then we're kidding ourselves to think Wade is going to fill that need.

I do think the absence of TO, Pacman, Tank, and the like, helps create a different atmosphere that hopefully enough players and coaches can step into and move the team forward.

 

[DallasEast]

Am I that transparent?

Seriously though, these guys are multimillionaires who won't be fazed by a high school tactic like being (temporarily) yanked from practice. If you dock them some $ or make them run 'til they puke, that might make them perk up. Everything else is for show.

For some players, I don't believe that even the puking will extremely matter, but docking pay would be something which gets practically everyone's attention. The only problem is the allowable amount of the 'fine' per NFL rules. If the amount is too small, some players would probably say meh and forget it's being taken away from them.

In fact, I wished players would be docked for dumb penalties they commit during games too. Money does tend to re-establish personal attention spans.

False start? $500. Inserting additional zero or two to the amount wouldn't hurt either.

 

[DallasEast]

yes I am dumb, but you pretend to know what people think

dumb>delusional

You might wish to rethink that formula. :

 

[Four]

You might wish to rethink that formula. :

nah, dumb folks know they are dumb, there is no hope for the delusional.

 

[Doomsday101]

Jason Witten was the latest victim of coach Wade Phillips' crackdown to eliminate pre-snap penalties.

The Pro Bowl tight end had a false start in both the morning and afternoon practices. He was replaced each time.

Phillips started the practice during minicamp.

“There are a lot of ways to do it,” Phillips said of punishing players who commit pre-snap penalties. “Some people have them run after practice. We may resort to that. But to me, embarrassing a guy in front of everyone else and showing your teammates you're not doing it right, no matter who it is, gets them to concentrate more.

“When you run a guy after practice, it's kind of like you're punishing him, but it's not in front of the whole team.”

So was Witten embarrassed?

“Absolutely,” he said. “You never want to come out for a play. I'm in pretty good shape, so I'd probably rather run. Getting pulled definitely sends a message.”


No it doesn't Jason if you read the comments around here you would know that this approach does nothing at all. Gosh get a clue Jason :laugh2:

 

[CoCo]

Jason Witten was the latest victim of coach Wade Phillips' crackdown to eliminate pre-snap penalties.

The Pro Bowl tight end had a false start in both the morning and afternoon practices. He was replaced each time.

Phillips started the practice during minicamp.

“There are a lot of ways to do it,” Phillips said of punishing players who commit pre-snap penalties. “Some people have them run after practice. We may resort to that. But to me, embarrassing a guy in front of everyone else and showing your teammates you're not doing it right, no matter who it is, gets them to concentrate more.

“When you run a guy after practice, it's kind of like you're punishing him, but it's not in front of the whole team.”

So was Witten embarrassed?

“Absolutely,” he said. “You never want to come out for a play. I'm in pretty good shape, so I'd probably rather run. Getting pulled definitely sends a message.”


No it doesn't Jason if you read the comments around here you would know that this approach does nothing at all. Gosh get a clue Jason :laugh2:

I purposefully reviewed this thread again before responding to your post. I don't read too many comments suggesting Wade's new approach "does nothing at all" as you stated above. Maybe that is bbgun's position. You'd have to ask him to clarify. Otherwise I think your comment is off-base.

I do see some others, self-included, taking some middle-ground on the issue.

And if you'll refrain from lumping me in with those who claim the approach "does nothing at all", then I won't characterize your position as thinking that Wade has suddenly become Vince Lombardi. :laugh2:

 

[Doomsday101]

I purposefully reviewed this thread again before responding to your post. I don't read too many comments suggesting Wade's new approach "does nothing at all" as you stated above. Maybe that is bbgun's position. You'd have to ask him to clarify. Otherwise I think your comment is off-base.

I do see some others, self-included, taking some middle-ground on the issue.

And if you'll refrain from lumping me in with those who claim the approach "does nothing at all", then I won't characterize your position as thinking that Wade has suddenly become Vince Lombardi. :laugh2:

I'm sorry I did not see where I lumped you in there matter of fact looking at my last response that you are showing I don't see your name in there at all. You are right I don't think Wade is going to turn into a Lombardi type coach and I don't think he will ever be the type of coach who is going to throw chairs, kick ice chest over and rant and rave however increasing the work load on this team with more 2 a days than we had even under Parcells, calling guys out which is what you are doing with you pull a player after a mistake does catch the attention of the players.

Will its end results lead to fewer penalties and fewer mental break downs this season? There is no way to tell that until the games begin. I do know that even under BP we were at around the top in penalties and penalty yardage and we made too many mental mistakes.

Wade is just trying something to see if he can get through to the players and in return he gets mocked by our fans without even knowing what the results may be?

 

[CoCo]

I'm sorry I did not see where I lumped you in there matter of fact looking at my last response that you are showing I don't see your name in there at all. You are right I don't think Wade is going to turn into a Lombardi type coach and I don't think he will ever be the type of coach who is going to throw chairs, kick ice chest over and rant and rave however increasing the work load on this team with more 2 a days than we had even under Parcells, calling guys out which is what you are doing with you pull a player after a mistake does catch the attention of the players.

Will its end results lead to fewer penalties and fewer mental break downs this season? There is no way to tell that until the games begin. I do know that even under BP we were at around the top in penalties and penalty yardage and we made too many mental mistakes.

Wade is just trying something to see if he can get through to the players and in return he gets mocked by our fans without even knowing what the results may be?

You didn't mention me by name. You didn't mention anyone by name. But you did mock someone(s) who would suggest that Wade's new method might not make much difference.

Personally, I think its a fair position to take. You've even acknowledged as much in your last post when you said...

"Will its end results lead to fewer penalties and fewer mental break downs this season? There is no way to tell that until the games begin. I do know that even under BP we were at around the top in penalties and penalty yardage and we made too many mental mistakes."

I agree with that position. So why mock those that question its effectiveness?

 

[dallasfaniac]

So why mock those that question its effectiveness?

I believe he was mocking those that say that the players don't care if they are pulled from the lineup and might even use it as an excuse to take a breather, when it clearly shows that both Witten and Colombo do not like being called out like that.

 

[Doomsday101]

You didn't mention me by name. You didn't mention anyone by name. But you did mock someone(s) who would suggest that Wade's new method might not make much difference.

Personally, I think its a fair position to take. You've even acknowledged as much in your last post when you said...

"Will its end results lead to fewer penalties and fewer mental break downs this season? There is no way to tell that until the games begin. I do know that even under BP we were at around the top in penalties and penalty yardage and we made too many mental mistakes."

I agree with that position. So why mock those that question its effectiveness?

I mock those who complain that Wade needed to change and camp has changed yet do not allow the results to show themselves positive or negative but continue mock Phillips. BP way in Dallas did not stop mental mistakes and penalty problems. Players say they see a different in what they are doing and the approach by Wade it could be typical player talk no way to know until we play the games.

 

[Doomsday101]

I believe he was mocking those that say that the players don't care if they are pulled from the lineup and might even use it as an excuse to take a breather, when it clearly shows that both Witten and Colombo do not like being called out like that.

Very true because it is a form of calling someone out for their mistakes. It is not as if they are getting a pat on the back and told to take a breather they are being called out by the coach to sit down because you screwed up.