DMN: BLOG: What would you give up for (Det) Roy Williams?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Explaining things to you doesn't seem to be very fruitful and thus not worth the time.

thats a lie and you know it. you love to stick it to people when they are so obviously wrong so spare me this new line. i can pretty much guarantee you that if we offered the Lions a second the deal would already be done but luckily our front office knows to gauge the market and not just make up nonsense based on fantasy land.

 

[theogt]

thats a lie and you know it. you love to stick it to people when they are so obviously wrong so spare me this new line. i can pretty much guarantee you that if we offered the Lions a second the deal would already be done but luckily our front office knows to gauge the market and not just make up nonsense based on fantasy land.

What more is there to explain? Trading two first round picks is not at all similar to trading a late first rounder and a late 2nd rounder. I've explained to you the extreme value difference and all you can come back with is that we expected the picks to be low first rounders. Well, we knew that one of them was going to be at #19, so that's a significant difference alone from #28. The only thing remotely saving your argument is that we didn't know that the second first round pick would be at #9. But even if it was at #32 the value difference would have been so great as to make it a ridiculous comparison.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What more is there to explain? Trading two first round picks is not at all similar to trading a late first rounder and a late 2nd rounder. I've explained to you the extreme value difference and all you can come back with is that we expected the picks to be low first rounders. Well, we knew that one of them was going to be at #19, so that's a significant difference alone from #28. The only thing remotely saving your argument is that we didn't know that the second first round pick would be at #9. But even if it was at #32 the value difference would have been so great as to make it a ridiculous comparison.

Thats one way to look at it. Another is to say that in the WR trades in history only the Raiders gave up more for Moss and we gave up more for Galloway in the history in the NFL. Your trade would land between the Branch and Galloway trade as the biggest values given up for WR in the last 20 years for a WR.

That is and was my point and jsut becasue the figures are not equivalent does not meana comparison cannot be drawn. Its called relativity not equality.

All of those were considered bad trades but for some reason you think that this will be a good trade. It makes no sense in a historical context and it makes no sense in a performance or market context. But hey at least you have Sarge.

The only person potentially on the market that would be worth that kings ransom would be Fitzgerald and not Williams and lets face it if there is one position in the NFL thats a dime a dozen, its WR.

 

[Sarge]

* * * * * * * * * * :banjo:

 

[Rack]

Flat out it would be dumb to trade a first and second for a WR that has shown to be injury prone thus far, especially when he WANTS to return to Texas and will be a FA next year.

 

[theogt]

Thats one way to look at it. Another is to say that in the WR trades in history only the Raiders gave up more for Moss and we gave up more for Galloway in the history in the NFL. Your trade would land between the Branch and Galloway trade as the biggest values given up for WR in the last 20 years for a WR.

That is and was my point and jsut becasue the figures are not equivalent does not meana comparison cannot be drawn. Its called relativity not equality.

All of those were considered bad trades but for some reason you think that this will be a good trade. It makes no sense in a historical context and it makes no sense in a performance or market context. But hey at least you have Sarge.

The only person potentially on the market that would be worth that kings ransom would be Fitzgerald and not Williams and lets face it if there is one position in the NFL thats a dime a dozen, its WR.

Worthwhile attempt at spin.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Worthwhile attempt at spin.

You truly are pathetic.

As i stated the value you are proposing is between the second and third most EVER given up for a WR. That not spin it is what it is.

You cannot deny that yet you keep up this childish nonsense.

 

[CF74]

Let's bump this thread if and when we get the guy..

 

[Rack]

Let's bump this thread if and when we get the guy..

As long as we don't give up a first AND second for him.

 

[CF74]

As long as we don't give up a first AND second for him.

The horror that would be... Watch us get him for a 3rd

 

[ddh33]

I think Roy Williams could very well be worth a first, especially when you consider the production you are likely to get from a first round receiver.

But I also understand what everyone else is saying. Why offer the first? I think you might be able to get him for less.

 

[Rack]

The horror that would be... Watch us get him for a 3rd

That would make me very happy.

 

[theogt]

You truly are pathetic.

zOMG!!!11111111111 ThaTz the last basti0nz of da suxx0rs argumentz!11111111

 

[khiladi]

The guy worked with no offensive line, and had Kitna who holds onto the ball way too long...

The guy was on pace for 80 catches. Those are damn good numbers...

He is worth a 1st round draft pick...

 

[dalboy]

nothing

wait for him to come to us next year its a thing called patience

why trade a lot when you can wait to get what you want.

 

[BourbonBalz]

nothing

wait for him to come to us next year its a thing called patience

why trade a lot when you can wait to get what you want.

And remind me how this would help us in the 2008 season?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

The guy worked with no offensive line, and had Kitna who holds onto the ball way too long...

The guy was on pace for 80 catches. Those are damn good numbers...

He is worth a 1st round draft pick...

But then he got hurt just like he did in 04 and 05. Im not saying that he sucks but the injuries hes had are a huge red flag.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

zOMG!!!11111111111 ThaTz the last basti0nz of da suxx0rs argumentz!11111111

How about you address the rest of that post. The reason I said you were pathetic is because you keep ignoring the rebuttals which you cannot refute.

What you are proposing would be the third most anyone has ever given for a WR behind only Moss for the 7th pick and a LBer and Galloway for two firsts.

You called it spin but you do not deny that it is true which is very telling rather you try and deflect attention with your childish antics.

 

[theogt]

How about you address the rest of that post. The reason I said you were pathetic is because you keep ignoring the rebuttals which you cannot refute.

I haven't ignore a thing.

What you are proposing would be the third most anyone has ever given for a WR behind only Moss for the 7th pick and a LBer and Galloway for two firsts.

This isn't a rebuttal.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I haven't ignore a thing.

This isn't a rebuttal.

no that would be my inital point. your rebuttal was that they werent the same because of draft values which as i initially stated completely misses the point.

im still wondering in what context, market, historical or whatever your getting the 1st and a second is a good idea from.

you ignored my response to you saying a HoF WR has missed similar time to RW.

you ignored the Chambers being the best starting point argument.

you ignored the Lions having zero leverage due to him not resigning and being on record saying h wants to return to Texas.

you ignored my contention that him being put on IR recently witha knee injury once again scuttling his season should diminish his value.

youve really ignored everything except the historical context of your proposal and you dont even address that right by demanding that the things that they are compared to must be equal.

and you try and call what im syaing spin but youre trying to twist one thing that i say and hope thatll deflect attention from the rest.