DMN: George: If the Cowboys part ways with Kiffin, there is a good chance they lose Marinelli

[Stash]

Marinelli is a good coach - that would be a shame, but..... if that is what it takes to get rid of Kiffin....... so be it.

This.

 

[cowboys1981]

I want to see what this defense looks like with formidable front four.

 

[DCBoysfan]

I don't see Kiffin back even if it does cost Marinelli (sp) I also don't see Hatcher back.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

The game has passed Kiffin by. It's time to move on.

 

[Direwolf63]

Start from scratch. If Marinelli goes, so be it. This defense needs to start over.
However I would not be against moving Matt Eberflus to DC. I believe he's earned a try.

 

[roughneck266]

Really.

He hasn't had any players to work with but he hasn't exactly done anything that stands out in a positive way either.

I agree. Not that I think he has done a good job, just hard to really analyze without at least SOME of the starting defense in the game.

 

[Risen Star]

Marinelli is well thought of by coaches around the league and so is Callahan. Marinelli has done extremely well with a bunch of castoffs on the DL. Our LB coach and DB coach are also well thought of. We have an excellent staff on defense. It's hard to cook with substandard ingredients.

Yeah, I keep hearing how he's done an excellent job. A fellow staff member even called it "amazing". What am I missing? This is the worst defense in the history of the team. I realize he doesn't have any players but the performance looks like he doesn't have any. So what has he done exactly to impress anybody?

 

[mitchell2254]

Marinelli is well thought of by coaches around the league and so is Callahan. Marinelli has done extremely well with a bunch of castoffs on the DL. Our LB coach and DB coach are also well thought of. We have an excellent staff on defense. It's hard to cook with substandard ingredients.

Especially when the Chef is asleep in the booth.

 

[Ren]

when rob ryan was made the scapegoat last season it made a lot of people here turn a blind eye to the lack of talent and here we are a year later about to fire another dc and we're still horrible cause we still dont have NFL quality talent on our defense

 

[Picksix]

It's not like Marinelli is the only good defensive coach out there. If we hire another DC, I would like to think he'd do a good job of bringing in a good DL coach with him.

 

[jobberone]

Yeah, I keep hearing how he's done an excellent job. A fellow staff member even called it "amazing". What am I missing? This is the worst defense in the history of the team. I realize he doesn't have any players but the performance looks like he doesn't have any. So what has he done exactly to impress anybody?

What exactly do you expect out of this mess? Today you will see a shadow of his former self Ware along with a hurt Hatcher and pick up players although I admit Selvie was a great find. In fact I'd say Selvie and the hustle of the front four is evidence of an amazing job.

You get Holloman at the Mike today and he's played the Mike for all of five days of his entire life which includes zero games. They've found a player in Wilbur when most everyone was calling him a waste of space. They've benched Carter and played a JAG either because Carter is hurt (a fact) and/or he just doesn't get it yet. We've had another castoff at SAM and now that JAG is on IR; he was a two down LB. He's had to go without a primary key player in Lee or a hurt one.

Claiborne is hurt and he's under suspicion of being another JAG. Scandrick is good in the slot but he's not big enough to play outside although he has had to. You have the ever so fleet Carr who struggles in zone. Then you have a bunch of nobodies to play the nickel and dime and provide depth. At safety you have a decent SS having to play FS because the rest of the safeties are rookies who played ball at Small Ball U and Nobody Heard of It School for Nobodies.

You lost what was a decent looking defense on paper before the season started. And they went into the year with holes as it is. It's been downhill ever since.

I've never seen a Dallas unit with this many injuries. It's been one new face after another playing. I have to look up some of the players to even know who's out there. I've never seen these many people coming and going on a weekly basis.

I don't think Kiffin has been able to install the variations of the Cover 2 he wanted and talked about. He's had to use baling wire and duct tape since early on and now is using Moonbeams and invisible band aids to put a 'defense' on the field. This isn't the ordinary NFL injury list. Waters, Livings, Cook and Romo after week 16 are the only offensive players on IR or out. And not too many care about Livings or Cook and Waters wasn't on the team when the season started. The defense is devastated with one guy, Hatcher, on the DL, Carter at LB (and Wilbur is outplaying him), and three guys out of 9 in the secondary trying to play NFL defense.

I can't blame the coaches and only some for Jerry because the defense is the problem and that's due to injuries that no coach could magically win with. If you ever played you know that matchups matter and players have to do their job. You can scheme a little to hide holes but only so much. At some point the car just can't go anymore.

This whole thing about firing the coaches and pointing fingers reminds me of a movie. Harrison Ford does a great job of getting his light plane on the beach in the middle of a storm. He breaks the landing gear off one side of the plane in the landing. His passenger tells him to fix it. She says aren't you one of those guys you give a utility tool with and they make you a mall in the middle of the jungle?

That's what some of you are expecting. Literally! Take all these cast offs from the waiver wire and the streets and make me a contending defense.

I know you won't but I'll cringe if I hear all teams deal with injuries or Kiffin is running an outdated scheme when they have zero idea what the guy is doing or wanted to do when he took the job. If people (not directed at you) think injuries don't matter then they need not say a single word come draft time because we all know now they think a coach can take anyone and plug them into the 'right' scheme and win.

Make me a chicken salad sandwich out of this chicken ****.

And this is a general post answering your question and not explicitly directed at you.

/off vent

 

[jobberone]

Especially when the Chef is asleep in the booth.

Nice try but no cigar. If they were asleep then we could just wake them up.

You know I have no idea what Kiffin and Marinelli can do with the right guys. I suspect they can put a defense on the field that can contend because they've been around a long time, earned the respect of their peers and have won before. Do they want to run an outdated scheme? No and other teams do run variations of the Cover 2/Tampa 2 but they are more flexible and sophisticated than the original brand. Don't think Kiffin isn't able to look around and see what teams are doing....and in a heartbeat. He said he was going to run variations of it. The question for all coaches is the ability to adapt to their own personnel and to what the opponent's coaches are trying to do. I don't know. I don't have enough data on Kiffin in Dallas to form an informed opinion.

I've seen more of Garrett and I do have questions about his ability to adapt this offensive scheme. This offense requires precision and proper communication between the receiver and the QB. And the ability to deliver the ball to a spot and have the receiver meet the ball at that spot. Do it right and it's virtually impossible to stop it. Do it not right and you'll see an inconsistent and turnover prone offense. It's a lot easier to execute a spread offense like Kelly runs in Philly. So if you want to question if Garrett is the right guy then question the scheme in today's environment. That's a valid question to ask. But you cannot just say things don't appear to be working and change coaches hoping for a better result.

That is the same as just changing parts on your car until it finally works well.

 

[jobberone]

It's not like Marinelli is the only good defensive coach out there. If we hire another DC, I would like to think he'd do a good job of bringing in a good DL coach with him.

That's valid but if you have a good working part why take it out and put another used part in?

 

[Picksix]

That's valid but if you have a good working part why take it out and put another used part in?

I guess it all depends on who gets brought in to be the DC. If it's someone Marinelli has worked with, then great. If not, he may just become another broken part. It's also about looking the team as a whole. If losing him is a result of making a change that betters the team, then it's acceptable, and perhaps necessary.

 

[mitchell2254]

Nice try but no cigar. If they were asleep then we could just wake them up.

You know I have no idea what Kiffin and Marinelli can do with the right guys. I suspect they can put a defense on the field that can contend because they've been around a long time, earned the respect of their peers and have won before. Do they want to run an outdated scheme? No and other teams do run variations of the Cover 2/Tampa 2 but they are more flexible and sophisticated than the original brand. Don't think Kiffin isn't able to look around and see what teams are doing....and in a heartbeat. He said he was going to run variations of it. The question for all coaches is the ability to adapt to their own personnel and to what the opponent's coaches are trying to do. I don't know. I don't have enough data on Kiffin in Dallas to form an informed opinion.

I've seen more of Garrett and I do have questions about his ability to adapt this offensive scheme. This offense requires precision and proper communication between the receiver and the QB. And the ability to deliver the ball to a spot and have the receiver meet the ball at that spot. Do it right and it's virtually impossible to stop it. Do it not right and you'll see an inconsistent and turnover prone offense. It's a lot easier to execute a spread offense like Kelly runs in Philly. So if you want to question if Garrett is the right guy then question the scheme in today's environment. That's a valid question to ask. But you cannot just say things don't appear to be working and change coaches hoping for a better result.

That is the same as just changing parts on your car until it finally works well.

Rob Ryan had a depleted bunch as well and it never got this bad. Shoot, he had Bruce Carter and Ernie Sims playing at a pretty high level. This system has pretty much made every player regress.

 

[dogunwo]

I agree. You can't make chicken salad with chicken stuff. I would love to see them pull one out of the hat today. A lot depends on Holloman. Poor guys is in the middle of it all and has played the Mike for 5 days in his life....the last 5.

I may be in the minority, but I wish we would have gotten rid of Sean Lee. His consistent injuries lead to a revolving door at MLB, and we need a guy who is going to be there and grow into the position, and the defense grow around him, like Luke Kuechly in Carolina

 

[rynochop]

Wade is gonna be looking for a job after tomorrow..j/s

 

[MapleLeaf]

Rob Ryan had a depleted bunch as well and it never got this bad. Shoot, he had Bruce Carter and Ernie Sims playing at a pretty high level. This system has pretty much made every player regress.

I don't think this system made the team go and use 17 different dlineman. You really are kidding if you think it is the cover 2's fault.

It's not coaching that is making the defence so ineffective. Its injuries. Nothing more and nothing less. Injuries robs talent.

Talent can't be replaced by players who did not make regular season rosters out of training camp. The reason why they are available mid season is because they were deemed not worthy by NFL teams when camp started or closed.

Fans need to stop trying to understand the Cowboys plight in this situation by scapegoating the coaches. No one, not even Belichick , Parcells, Johnson, Landry and Lombardi on the same staff could make this defence competitive.

 

[NateSuri]

if you lose Kiffin, there's a good chance Rod Marinelli is gone, too, because of how close those two are and Marinelli is a loyal guy.

I was under the impression that if Lovie Smith has a HC job next year, Marinelli will go regardless.

 

[JakeCamp12]

What exactly do you expect out of this mess? Today you will see a shadow of his former self Ware along with a hurt Hatcher and pick up players although I admit Selvie was a great find. In fact I'd say Selvie and the hustle of the front four is evidence of an amazing job.

You get Holloman at the Mike today and he's played the Mike for all of five days of his entire life which includes zero games. They've found a player in Wilbur when most everyone was calling him a waste of space. They've benched Carter and played a JAG either because Carter is hurt (a fact) and/or he just doesn't get it yet. We've had another castoff at SAM and now that JAG is on IR; he was a two down LB. He's had to go without a primary key player in Lee or a hurt one.

Claiborne is hurt and he's under suspicion of being another JAG. Scandrick is good in the slot but he's not big enough to play outside although he has had to. You have the ever so fleet Carr who struggles in zone. Then you have a bunch of nobodies to play the nickel and dime and provide depth. At safety you have a decent SS having to play FS because the rest of the safeties are rookies who played ball at Small Ball U and Nobody Heard of It School for Nobodies.

You lost what was a decent looking defense on paper before the season started. And they went into the year with holes as it is. It's been downhill ever since.

I've never seen a Dallas unit with this many injuries. It's been one new face after another playing. I have to look up some of the players to even know who's out there. I've never seen these many people coming and going on a weekly basis.

I don't think Kiffin has been able to install the variations of the Cover 2 he wanted and talked about. He's had to use baling wire and duct tape since early on and now is using Moonbeams and invisible band aids to put a 'defense' on the field. This isn't the ordinary NFL injury list. Waters, Livings, Cook and Romo after week 16 are the only offensive players on IR or out. And not too many care about Livings or Cook and Waters wasn't on the team when the season started. The defense is devastated with one guy, Hatcher, on the DL, Carter at LB (and Wilbur is outplaying him), and three guys out of 9 in the secondary trying to play NFL defense.

I can't blame the coaches and only some for Jerry because the defense is the problem and that's due to injuries that no coach could magically win with. If you ever played you know that matchups matter and players have to do their job. You can scheme a little to hide holes but only so much. At some point the car just can't go anymore.

This whole thing about firing the coaches and pointing fingers reminds me of a movie. Harrison Ford does a great job of getting his light plane on the beach in the middle of a storm. He breaks the landing gear off one side of the plane in the landing. His passenger tells him to fix it. She says aren't you one of those guys you give a utility tool with and they make you a mall in the middle of the jungle?

That's what some of you are expecting. Literally! Take all these cast offs from the waiver wire and the streets and make me a contending defense.

I know you won't but I'll cringe if I hear all teams deal with injuries or Kiffin is running an outdated scheme when they have zero idea what the guy is doing or wanted to do when he took the job. If people (not directed at you) think injuries don't matter then they need not say a single word come draft time because we all know now they think a coach can take anyone and plug them into the 'right' scheme and win.

Make me a chicken salad sandwich out of this chicken ****.

And this is a general post answering your question and not explicitly directed at you.

/off vent

This is my thoughts on the defense with Kiffin. For years we have been drafting players that were supposed to fit the 3-4. Then in one off season our 3-4 players are magically supposed to turn into 4-3 players. It doesn't happen that way, no matter how many times Jerry, Monte or Rod tell you that, they are telling you what you want to hear to sell tickets! So it is going to take a few more drafts to find the right parts for whatever defense Jerry decides he wants today. If he fires Kiffin it just proves to me again that Jerry has no plan for building a roster and philosophy for how to win a Super Bowl in the era. The defense was paper thin at best if everything went exactly right, but once the injury wagon started driving full speed, it just got progressively worst. Jerry has not had 3 really strong drafts one after another since Jimmy was here. He picks too many players that never contribute a down to the franchise and then when older players get hurt, there is zero quality behind them. I don't think firing Kiffin is the right call even as bad as the defense has been. He is stuck with the hand the GM gave him.