DMN: George: If the Cowboys part ways with Kiffin, there is a good chance they lose Marinelli

[MapleLeaf]

This.

Kiffin is a good coach. Using a simple metric like the overall defence's performance is a narrow minded look at what is the real issue with what has happened to this team.

 

[Sarge]

I may be in the minority, but I wish we would have gotten rid of Sean Lee.

May be?

 

[theebs]

So be it then.

I agree.

On the flip side marinelli could be promoted and his son in law could be brought here from sd to replace eberflus

 

[mitchell2254]

I don't think this system made the team go and use 17 different dlineman. You really are kidding if you think it is the cover 2's fault.

It's not coaching that is making the defence so ineffective. Its injuries. Nothing more and nothing less. Injuries robs talent.

Talent can't be replaced by players who did not make regular season rosters out of training camp. The reason why they are available mid season is because they were deemed not worthy by NFL teams when camp started or closed.

Fans need to stop trying to understand the Cowboys plight in this situation by scapegoating the coaches. No one, not even Belichick , Parcells, Johnson, Landry and Lombardi on the same staff could make this defence competitive.

Parcells took us to the playoffs starting Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick and the rest of a 5-11 squad. So yes, good coaches could make our D competitive.

We have had Carr, Church and Scandrick all year so whats your excuse for us giving up the most 400 yard passers in a season? Were none of those supposed to make the roster? Don't exaggerate and act like our front four was so bad the QB had 10 seconds.

 

[Tex]

Marrenelli cant just leave if Kiffin retires unless Jerry lets him. He is here on a 3 year contract kiffin is on a 1 year contract. Marrenelli can only leave here to be a HC. All assistant levels are considered equal now.. My bet is on Jerry trying to retain Marrenelli no matter what happens to kiffin. I know it sounds like crazy talk but I think there was always a plan to keep marrenelli longer term in some role.

So just because Lovie or whoever is named a HC next year Marrenelli probably is going no where soon.

 

[MapleLeaf]

I was under the impression that if Lovie Smith has a HC job next year, Marinelli will go regardless.

There is no reason to believe that Rod will choose Lovie over Monte. If the Cowboys treat Monte and Rod well there is no evidence the team can't retain staff.

 

[Stash]

Kiffin is a good coach. Using a simple metric like the overall defence's performance is a narrow minded look at what is the real issue with what has happened to this team.

Kiffin was a good coach.

His antiquated schemes were abused in his tenure at USC just as they are getting abused in Dallas.

And one of the same coaches whose schemes befuddled him at the college level will be doing the same tonight.

Time waits for no one.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Doesn't surprise me, just think Maranelli needs to read the tea leaves and take the certain promotion that will come his way once Kiffin doesn't get his contract renewed. He isn't going to get many more opportunities to become defensive coordinator in the NFL and Kiffin has already proven the league has passed him by.

 

[MapleLeaf]

Parcells took us to the playoffs starting Quincy Carter and Troy Hambrick and the rest of a 5-11 squad. So yes, good coaches could make our D competitive.

We have had Carr, Church and Scandrick all year so whats your excuse for us giving up the most 400 yard passers in a season? Were none of those supposed to make the roster? Don't exaggerate and act like our front four was so bad the QB had 10 seconds.

Parcells time was blessed with relative health compared to this team. Especially on defence.

I don't exaggerate and NFL QBs don't need 10 seconds. They only need 4 seconds and they can put a beat down that would be historical. Even a QB like McCown.

Carr, Church and Scandrick are not solely responsible for stopping the run, covering the releasing TE, the RB out of the backfield or dropping back to correct depth in the intermediate zones as a LB.

If you think you could defend an NFL with those three players and the revolving door at LB and Dline then I absolutely welcome the public humiliation of you on national TV with the defensive headset on.

Rudeness and ditching Kiffin or Marinelli will not correct what ails the Cowboys right now. Only health and youth will turn the tide on that issue.

Health is a variable even the dumbest coach can use. The reason why Kiffin and Marinelli can be good for this team is we need to get younger and both those coaches are noted as very good teachers.

 

[mitchell2254]

Parcells time was blessed with relative health compared to this team. Especially on defence.

I don't exaggerate and NFL QBs don't need 10 seconds. They only need 4 seconds and they can put a beat down that would be historical. Even a QB like McCown.

Carr, Church and Scandrick are not solely responsible for stopping the run, covering the releasing TE, the RB out of the backfield or dropping back to correct depth in the intermediate zones as a LB.

If you think you could defend an NFL with those three players and the revolving door at LB and Dline then I absolutely welcome the public humiliation of you on national TV with the defensive headset on.

Rudeness and ditching Kiffin or Marinelli will not correct what ails the Cowboys right now. Only health and youth will turn the tide on that issue.

Health is a variable even the dumbest coach can use. The reason why Kiffin and Marinelli can be good for this team is we need to get younger and both those coaches are noted as very good teachers.

Kiffin hasn't had a good defense at any level for a lot of years. Does he just have bad luck everywhere he goes?

 

[MapleLeaf]

Kiffin was a good coach.

His antiquated schemes were abused in his tenure at USC just as they are getting abused in Dallas.

And one of the same coaches whose schemes befuddled him at the college level will be doing the same tonight.

Time waits for no one.

The scheme wasn't just Kiffin's. It's Lovie's and Dungy's also. Garrett has developed a culture of team based coaching. It has been widely stated. I would expect that Kiffin and Marinelli along with the other coaches support and develop the week to week game strategy

Why is it so convenient to discount two present coaches when it has been noted in interviews with Lovie and Dungy that it would take some time for Kiffin and Marinelli to install the right players for the system.

ONE YEAR and the fans are ready to get rid of two very proven quality coaches.

BTW, I don't think the last meeting between Kelly and Kiffin worked so well for Kelly. Why can't we consider Kelly a lousy coach and have him hung while we kneel at the shrine of Kiffin. Last I saw the Cowboys won that game ergo Kelly is the crappier coach.

If I am using results as the only indicator of coaching ability.

 

[noshame]

I hope Kiffin retires and Marinelli gets promoted to DC.

This will happen, even if it's kind of forced.

 

[Stash]

The scheme wasn't just Kiffin's. It's Lovie's and Dungy's also. Garrett has developed a culture of team based coaching. It has been widely stated. I would expect that Kiffin and Marinelli along with the other coaches support and develop the week to week game strategy

Why is it so convenient to discount two present coaches when it has been noted in interviews with Lovie and Dungy that it would take some time for Kiffin and Marinelli to install the right players for the system.

ONE YEAR and the fans are ready to get rid of two very proven quality coaches.

BTW, I don't think the last meeting between Kelly and Kiffin worked so well for Kelly. Why can't we consider Kelly a lousy coach and have him hung while we kneel at the shrine of Kiffin. Last I saw the Cowboys won that game ergo Kelly is the crappier coach.

If I am using results as the only indicator of coaching ability.

If you're using one game as your indicator, in an effort to blind yourself to the season-long horror of record-setting ineptitude, sure.

Go for it.

Some fans will let their Cowboys love taint every fact presented to them, all in an effort to twist reality away from the fact that they're stuck with a mediocre coaching staff and team.

Lie to yourself, don't lie to me.

 

[MapleLeaf]

Kiffin hasn't had a good defense at any level for a lot of years. Does he just have bad luck everywhere he goes?

I haven't dissected every stop, but I can say with a fact with the 2013 Cowboys this is sheer bad luck.

Lets' put it simply in these terms.

You walk up to Lovie Smith, Jim Haslett, Rex Ryan, John Fox, etc and say I have an NFL coordinator's job for you.

You are going to lose two of your Pro Bowl lineman before the year starts. Your HOF lineman will suffer throughout the year with a bad back, strained thigh and a hyper extended elbow.

Your QB of the defence will only make about 60% of the games. The dline will feature 17 different players and we will be one of the most active teams looking for roster players for the defensive side.

Add in there the loss of your best ST player for three games and a season ending injury to your starting QB on the week before the final game for a playoff spot and then tell the coach I fired last year's DC.

With all you know about getting a job would you accept it???

If it was me I would say "Screw this. You are asking me to join a "no win" situation". Thank, but no thanks.

Its not a Kiffin thing here. Its a 2013 Cowboys thing.

 

[NickZepp]

There is no reason to keep anyone on this defensive staff.

 

[MapleLeaf]

If you're using one game as your indicator, in an effort to blind yourself to the season-long horror of record-setting ineptitude, sure.

Go for it.

Some fans will let their Cowboys love taint every fact presented to them, all in an effort to twist reality away from the fact that they're stuck with a mediocre coaching staff and team.

Lie to yourself, don't lie to me.

Get on the field and try your hand at coaching. We will find out where the lies are.

There is no lies about what has happened to Kiffin and the defensive staff.

 

[Stash]

Get on the field and try your hand at coaching. We will find out where the lies are.

There is no lies about what has happened to Kiffin and the defensive staff.

That's the best rationale you've got?

"Kiffin is a better defensive coordinator than you!"

What is this, kindergarten?

 

[MapleLeaf]

There is no reason to keep anyone on this defensive staff.

As a coach I have often wanted to get rid of the parents who were fans.

Different league, different field same blindness. Lots of opinion, but no ability to walk onto the field. No credibility.

 

[NickZepp]

That's stupid reasoning. So we should be satisfied eating crap because it's better than nothing.

 

[T-RO]

As a coach I have often wanted to get rid of the parents who were fans.

Different league, different field same blindness. Lots of opinion, but no ability to walk onto the field. No credibility.

You are clearly confusing this issue....emotionally wrapping yourself up in Kiffin's identity and making the coach's critics the same as your critics. Wake up! This isn't your little league. I do sympathize with your job in today's whacko world, but this issue has nothing to do with you and out-of-control parents.

Kiffin's defense not only sits 32nd in the league in yards per game, but the Cowboys aren't even close to the next worst team. We've had massive regression by several key players. The players have lost all hope and confidence.

We do have weak personnel. We have had lots of injuries. But Kiffin's approach and presence hasn't helped. You sure don't hear any players rally to support the guy. And in case some people have forgotten...the man is nearing a decade past the time when people begin retirement. He needs to begin his. Monday, December 30.