DMN JJT Blog: Montrae Holland makes good first impression

[adbutcher]

Oh, by all means, enlighten us on the minimal difference between the Broncos' zone blocking schemes and the Cowboys' man blocking schemes... to make it easier for you, focus on the job of the left guard in both schemes... discusss the difference in terminology in both systems...

I mean, since we don't UNDERSTAND what you see so clearly, you'd be doing this board a service by "edumacating" us...

You should have least given him a hint. Here is one, bucket step.

 

[CATCH17]

Like I said on Page 1... 5 dollars guaranteed.

We'll get you out of messes like these Daboys4life.

For Starters just apologise to everyone who took time to reply to your posts in this thread.

Lets get this show on the road. I'll send you an invoice through PayPal.

 

[aikemirv]

Holland is such a great pickup because he can now fill in at both G spots and in a pinch if one of the T's went down Davis could play T and Holland could fill in there.

So now you don't necessarily have to carry an swing T as active on game day you could do it with Holland or Kosier being active.

Instant depth at 4 positions on the line. Didn't Kosier spend some time at C somewhere too?

 

[starfrombirth]

Holland is such a great pickup because he can now fill in at both G spots and in a pinch if one of the T's went down Davis could play T and Holland could fill in there.

So now you don't necessarily have to carry an swing T as active on game day you could do it with Holland or Kosier being active.

Instant depth at 4 positions on the line. Didn't Kosier spend some time at C somewhere too?

Moving Bigg to tackle would be a mistake. He has really blossomed at guard where his size and power make the most impact. As athletically gifted as he is, he doesn't quite have the quicks for tackle. As for Montrae, he is a perfect example of why NOT to move Bigg. He is too big for Denvers finesse style blocking scheme. Here he can be more of a road grader and use his size to an advantage, something none of the other wannabe's (except for McQ) have.

 

[aikemirv]

Moving Bigg to tackle would be a mistake. He has really blossomed at guard where his size and power make the most impact. As athletically gifted as he is, he doesn't quite have the quicks for tackle. As for Montrae, he is a perfect example of why NOT to move Bigg. He is too big for Denvers finesse style blocking scheme. Here he can be more of a road grader and use his size to an advantage, something none of the other wannabe's (except for McQ) have.

Thus, I said in a pinch. It makes you not have to make a swing T active on
gameday when either Kosier or Davis could play T

 

[silverbear]

What are you talking about there's a big difference if its a run play or a pass if its a run to his side or not. If its a sweep or toss to the outside. IF their is a LB in front of him or a D line. 4-3 or 3-4 there's a big difference so you question doesn't get answered because it vague and ambiguous. What the hell do you want me to say Denver does a lot of chop blocks so thats a key difference

I see, so it's complicated...

And yet, you expect Montrae Holland to master it in like 3 days time...

Keep on talking, you couldn't possibly be making my argument any stronger...

 

[silverbear]

Like I said on Page 1... 5 dollars guaranteed.

We'll get you out of messes like these Daboys4life.

For Starters just apologise to everyone who took time to reply to your posts in this thread.

Lets get this show on the road. I'll send you an invoice through PayPal.

Son, you're gonna EARN that five bucks, like maybe nobody has ever earned five bucks before... this could be a 10-12 year job...

 

[Hostile]

Clearly he knows very little about football and absolutely nothing about defensive and offensive line play. Give it a rest bro because you will never convince someone who is arguing from a point of ignorance.

I did give up.

If someone doesn't know football, they simply don't know football. The sheer naivete of what he was suggesting was painful to watch unfold.

 

[DallasEast]

did you come up with that one all by yourself.....

Yep, sure did. Who knew you would fight your way NOT to go into the light

 

[adbutcher]

I did give up.

If someone doesn't know football, they simply don't know football. The sheer naivete of what he was suggesting was painful to watch unfold.

I was reading some of the questions in the JJT Q&A thread and I fear that he is not alone. I am all for growth of our beloved site but I hope his friends don't find their way here.

 

[dogunwo]

Let's jus call this what it is this is poor talent evaluation. Ppl cryin about blockin assignments and who should start when the real issue is How does a guy who basicly gets cut by the sorry broncos come to a super bowl wannabe week 1 and starts on the ol. Holland starting makes the entire camp a sad joke that noone wants hear. Last week jerry was saying his phone is ringing off the hook now his 13 win team cuts players many teams don't want including fan favs like amendola. Then he turns around and sign rejects from much lower teams out of need and the list grows. So instead of addressing the obvious we hide our true concern with bs and backnforth slights. You don't see the colts n pats have guys come in and start u r not fans of the coltsnpats this is the dallas cowboys and this is how things are done. the colts n pats r run by proven winners/cheater. U can bring up schemes all u want ur but that's for real teams with real gms actually u r really pissed because u have to make another excuse for camp marshmallow and jerrys poor evaluation of his own talent! Let me just say this in thank god holland has a sweet tooth or we would be going on about who of the 3 stooges should start n not why is a guy off the streets starting.

Just when I thought it couldn't get any worse. You post in the thread and almost completely vindicate Daboys4Life.

 

[superpunk]

I can't say I care all that much about Holland's ability to deliver generic, good-boy answers to the media's baiting questions. Apparently that impresses JJT. Hooray?

 

[MarionBarberThe4th]

I just want to say that we were going to draft probably 2 linemen next year around rounds 3-6. So at worst we got a backup to both guard spots and mabe center(?) for a future 5th.

And Holland is at least proven. Where the pick wold be hit or miss.

However it always bothers me when a player is overweight, its like cmon.

 

[dogunwo]

I just want to say that we were going to draft probably 2 linemen next year around rounds 3-6. So at worst we got a backup to both guard spots and mabe center(?) for a future 5th.

And Holland is at least proven. Where the pick wold be hit or miss.

However it always bothers me when a player is overweight, its like cmon.

I actually wouldnt mind if the cowboys used an even earlier pick on a lineman. We have used a lot of picks on lower round guys and have had very few keepers.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Ok, Im gonna try to one more time to help you understand. First things first, I want to point out that you are arguing with fact. Which is just about the most impossible thing to do. Its like trying to argue that if you flap your arms really fast that you can fly, and when everyone is presenting you with evidence to the contrary, you just say "yes I can, dont get mad cause I think differently than you". It is a FACT that NFL playbooks are extremely complicated, with thousands of play variations. It is a FACT that knowing your assignment for a lineman is absolutely imperative.

Second, I just wanna point out exactly how contradictory your argument is. Repeatedly you have stated that all he has to do is block the guy in front of him, or closest to him and everything will be ok. That is exactly what the Cowboys and HH are trying to teach him NOT to do. That is Denvers scheme, that's what zone blocking is, you have a zone in front of you that you are supposed to not let anyone penetrate into. If no one threatens your zone, you move downfield and get to the second level. In Dallas scheme, its a MAN scheme, which means you specifically have someone you have to block, and its not always the guy in right front of you, the most obvious guy, or the guy you would think you should block on a given play. In fact, the very best running attacks use many many different blocking variations to throw off the defense, AND, the LG just so happens to be the one who has the craziest assignments because he 99% of the time the uncovered lineman.

Offensive line play, despite its brutal nature, and rugged appearance is very very choreographed. Im talking all the way to the most minute detail. Everything from exactly, and I mean EXACTLY how far apart you spread your feet, and how far your left foot should be from the guy next to you's right foot, to which foot your supposed to step with first, and in which direction. If they feel the need to choreograph those tiny tiny little details, you dont think there is a chance they choreograph the rest of the play to the max? I assure you they do.

Lets go through a very very simple dive play. Lets do a weakside dive so Montrae will play a key role. The idea of this play is to get Barber through the A gap, between Montrae and Gurode. We'll do this out of a standard strong right I formation. The most basic way to block this play is to have Bigg release to get the backside ILB, Colombo handles the backside DE, Witten handles the backside OLB. Playside, Flozell drives the playside DE out, while Cricket kicks out the playside OLB. Then, Montrae and Gurode double on the DT, with Montrae releasing to the second level after a split second delay. Now, I can think of 9 other completely different ways to block that play, and Montrae has someone different to block on 5 of them. The Cowboys most likely use 3 or 4 variations of the simple dive run versus a standard 3-4. If Montrae doesnt go get his guy, Barber gets lit up in the backfield. Its not about "just blocking the guy in front of you". I would bet anything, there are at least 500 run variations in the Cowboys playbook, there is no way he can memorize them all in one week.

Last thing, real quick. The thing you seem to forget the most in this whole thing is terminology. Even if the Cowboys and Saints blocked everything the exact same way (which they dont), the terminology would be completely different, he still wouldnt understand what the playcall was in the huddle. You have to know your assignment as an OL....please take it from me man, as I told you before, I was a offensive line coach for 5 years. If there is one thing I really get, its offensive line play.

This exactly why I had asked SB to narrow down his question because I didn't want to post a long winded explanation like that. However thanks for the explanation on something that I already know.

It's going to be nice to see proctor in the starting line up.....

 

[Hostile]

This exactly why I had asked SB to narrow down his question because I didn't want to post a long winded explanation like that. However thanks for the explanation on something that I already know.

It's going to be nice to see proctor in the starting line up.....

No one is saying it will be nice.

Everyone is telling you that he is the best option for right now. Not for all time.

Maybe a handful of OGs in NFL History could walk onto a team and without some time to learn the system step in as starters. Those OGs would be the best to ever lace them up and they would be performing on sheer physical talent.

O-Line is simply not an area of the game where players are interchangable parts. Linemen need to learn each other's steps so they can frame the wall. If Holland steps back left foot first and Adams steps back right foot first, they step on each other and you have 2 off balance players in front of your QB.

That's called death.

Honestly, your stance was beyond naive.