DMN JJT Blog: More Senior Bowl (Vanderjagt and Hoffman) and Palmer

[superpunk]

I'd rather just score more TDs instead of worrying about kicking more FGs, but I suppose that is just me.

I suspect if you improve other areas (like the offense, for example), you will be amazed at how insignificant the position is.

The Raiders spent big money and a first round choice on their kicker and I don't see that making any impact whatsoever.

Obviously that would be my preference as well. I don't really think this offense is close to being one that can just put teams down like that, and not have to rely on a field goal kicker once in a while, hopefully nothing like this year's debacle.

Which goes back to fixing the defense. In those same games, while the kicker can be pointed to as a singular scapegoat, (and deservedly so) the offense in the cases of Seattle, Washington and Denver, did enough to where we should have been able to hold on. However, because of deficiencies on defense, it had to come down to FG kicking. Make this defense dominant, and this offense is good enough.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Former player sounds off on Palmer...


Just hung up the phone with Ryan Young, who was the starting right tackle for the Houston Texans in 2002. Young, who also spent a season with the Cowboys, is the last guy you'd expect to criticize a coach, but here's what he had to say about former Texans offensive coordinator Chris Palmer, who will probably accept a similar position with the Cowboys soon:

"I thought he did a bad job with David Carr," Young said. "He used a blocking scheme that didn't work at all. It was a horrible scheme."

Young said that Palmer employed a quick-hitting blocking scheme similar to the Colts. He combined that with a 7-step drop passing package. Carr was sacked 76 times that season.

Young said that if Carr doesn't make it in the league, he thinks Dom Capers and Palmer should receive much of the blame.

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Good stuff, WG... Let the character assassination of Ryan Young begin.

 

[Alexander]

who's saying that?

http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showpost.php?p=712928&postcount=14

 

[AbeBeta]

Former player sounds off on Palmer...

Just what I'd expect to hear from a player who was part of the worst OL in NFL history. Yeah, not your fault at all Ryan.

 

[SupermanXx]

Just what I'd expect to hear from a player who was part of the worst OL in NFL history. Yeah, not your fault at all Ryan.

it was actually YOUR fault, abersonc

all blame for the worst O-line in NFL history should be sent to P.O. Box AbersonC

 

[ddh33]

It doesn't mean that he might not be correct this time, but Ryan Young hasn't said one positive thing about anyone associated with Dallas since he left the team.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Good stuff, WG... Let the character assassination of Ryan Young begin.

In 4 years in the NFL, Carr has sufford seasons of 76, 49 and 68 sacks respectively. These are amoung the highest QB sack totals ever. I don't care how you slice up the fault here, a large part of it must go to the OC. I don't love Palmer as an OC choice.

 

[AbeBeta]

In 4 years in the NFL, Carr has sufford seasons of 76, 49 and 68 sacks respectively. These are amoung the highest QB sack totals ever. I don't care how you slice up the fault here, a large part of it must go to the OC. I don't love Palmer as an OC choice.

68 after Palmer was fired in week 2.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

68 after Palmer was fired in week 2.

They gave up 5 sacks to Buffalo in week one and 8 to the Steelers in week two but if it pleases you, so be it.

The point is still valid. You don't let your franchise QB take that kind of beating, ever! You have to be able to change it. If you can't do it with Carr, then I see very little hope of doing it with Bledsoe.

 

[wileedog]

The point is still valid. You don't let your franchise QB take that kind of beating, ever! You have to be able to change it.

Change what exactly?

Not throw the ball ever?

If the players absolutely suck - and the Texan O-line absolutely sucks - what exactly are you going to change?

Palmer went to a 3 -5 step drop system last year. That didn't work. He wen't to a zone blocking system this year, that apparently didn't work. They promoted Pendry to OC and nothing he tried worked either.

You can't bring a NFL Europe quality O-line into the NFL and expect the coach to come up with some magical scheme to not get the QB sacked and still have anything resembling a productive offense. We saw in that in the 2nd Giants game.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Change what exactly?

Not throw the ball ever?

If the players absolutely suck - and the Texan O-line absolutely sucks - what exactly are you going to change?

Palmer went to a 3 -5 step drop system last year. That didn't work. He wen't to a zone blocking system this year, that apparently didn't work. They promoted Pendry to OC and nothing he tried worked either.

You can't bring a NFL Europe quality O-line into the NFL and expect the coach to come up with some magical scheme to not get the QB sacked and still have anything resembling a productive offense. We saw in that in the 2nd Giants game.

 

[Alexander]

Change what exactly?

Not throw the ball ever?

If the players absolutely suck - and the Texan O-line absolutely sucks - what exactly are you going to change?

Palmer went to a 3 -5 step drop system last year. That didn't work. He wen't to a zone blocking system this year, that apparently didn't work. They promoted Pendry to OC and nothing he tried worked either.

You can't bring a NFL Europe quality O-line into the NFL and expect the coach to come up with some magical scheme to not get the QB sacked and still have anything resembling a productive offense. We saw in that in the 2nd Giants game.

Incorrect.

You HAVE to be able to change that.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Incorrect.

You HAVE to be able to change that.

the OC is supposed to change that? the Texan's offensive ineptitude has to be placed on Dom Capers and CHarley Casserly, more than on Palmer, because they didn't provide a competent Oline to protect Carr

btw, Carr had his best year in '04 with Palmer as his OC, and Andre Johnson had a heck of a year, as well as Dominick Davis, in fact, many of us were saying how awesome that trio looked

 

[superpunk]

Incorrect.

You HAVE to be able to change that.

There's only so much you can do, though. Look at our Oline. You can only protect so many liabilities, before you have to say, "hell with it, if we go any further we'll be running one man patterns." Houston's entire Oline was a liability.

 

[joseephuss]

So, Vanderjagt would cost $1 million and a kick off specialists would cost about $300,000 or so. He is not my first choice.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Change what exactly?

Not throw the ball ever?

If the players absolutely suck - and the Texan O-line absolutely sucks - what exactly are you going to change?

Palmer went to a 3 -5 step drop system last year. That didn't work. He wen't to a zone blocking system this year, that apparently didn't work. They promoted Pendry to OC and nothing he tried worked either.

You can't bring a NFL Europe quality O-line into the NFL and expect the coach to come up with some magical scheme to not get the QB sacked and still have anything resembling a productive offense. We saw in that in the 2nd Giants game.

I don't know if what was said about Palmers scheme is true or not but one thing I do know, there are ways to limit the hits your QB takes. He's your franchise for christ sakes. He represents the future of your organization. You don't subject him to season's of 70 sacks. You definatly don't follow that up with 50 sacks. You limit your offense. You shorten your routes. You impliment more timing patterns. You go with three and five step drops. You tell your OLs that whatever happens, nobody gets a free run at the QB no matter what. Hold if you have to, do what you have to. The disturbing thing here is that it wasn't just one year.

In the NFL, they don't pay you to be unable to protect your franchise. They fire you for that. That's the bottom line. If all else fails, bench your franchise until you can protect him. You don't give him up like that. You make a decision and stick with it. It's not as if Houston didn't have a running game. There are things you can do. We had a horrible OL and a much less mobile QB and we were not as bad.

 

[Dale]

Not that this means anything, but wasn't Palmer Bledsoe's OC in New England from '93-'96? Or am I off on the years? If so, in those seasons, Bledsoe was sacked 22, 23, 30 and 30 times -- four of the five lowest totals in his career.

What were Brunell's sack numbers like while playing under Palmer compared to the rest of his career? I know he hasn't been an oft-sacked guy, but I'm just curious.

 

[Alexander]

Not that this means anything, but wasn't Palmer Bledsoe's OC in New England from '93-'96? Or am I off on the years? If so, in those seasons, Bledsoe was sacked 22, 23, 30 and 30 times -- four of the five lowest totals in his career.

What were Brunell's sack numbers like while playing under Palmer compared to the rest of his career? I know he hasn't been an oft-sacked guy, but I'm just curious.

He was the QB coach. I believe Ron Erhardt was the offensive coordinator.

 

[jasonwitten82]

It continues to baffle me how Jerry doesn't want to spend big money on a kicker when this has been a problem for this team for I don't know how long.

 

[BigDFan5]

It continues to baffle me how Jerry doesn't want to spend big money on a kicker when this has been a problem for this team for I don't know how long.

Jones has already said kicker would be addressed, that means he is going to have to spend money to do it. This article is the writers opinion that Jerry wont spend this year when jerry has stated something diferent