News: DMN: Laufenberg: Don't assume Greg Hardy would have been punished under Johnson or Parcells

[NewsBot]

*** Message was removed by demand from DMN ***

 

[hornitosmonster]

Jimmy Johnson had Michael (was he ever punished?)
Bill Parcells had Lawrence Taylor (Hardy is an alter boy compared to him)

 

[Doomsay]

Man, I hope that the team isn't distracted by all this BS, we have a game to win on Sunday.

 

[pugilist]

Bye bye Bisaccia

 

[Sportsbabe]

Man, I hope that the team isn't distracted by all this BS, we have a game to win on Sunday.

Trust & believe...they are not distracted. Butler said they aren't tripping off the losing streak because it's not like they're getting blown out in these games. They don't feel like a terrible team.

Street said most of the team didn't know what happened with Hardy until they saw it on TV. They are trying to get better and win a game.

 

[Dave_in-NC]

These guys are unfazed by this stuff. Media and fan hype.

 

[Primetime42]

Parcells told Cowherd he didn't see what Hardy did as over the top, so there's that.

 

[JakeCamp12]

Jimmy treated every player differently and has said it numerous times. Jimmy is not going to go after a guy like Hardy who would be his best pass rusher. I am sure Haley did far worse in the locker room and behind closed doors at Valley Ranch. Just silly to keep talking about this non-story on tv hour after hour. ESPN has ZERO to talk about except this.....

 

[Fletch]

Man, I hope that the team isn't distracted by all this BS, we have a game to win on Sunday.

They're not bothered by it. That has been touched on multiple times by multiple sources, i.e. Garrett, players. The media keeps it going.

 

[tyke1doe]

Question: Steve Dennis just said on the radio that if you were in Jason Garrett's shoes, Greg Hardy WOULD be on your team. Please tell me he's not right.

Babe Laufenberg: Obviously didn't hear that, so can't verify the authenticity of that statement. One thing I have heard is that Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells would have never allowed the Hardy sideline outburst to go unpunished. That would be revisionist history. I was with the Cowboys in training camp in Thousand Oaks in 1989. After practice ended, Michael Irvin got into a heated exchange that clearly bordered on insubordination with our special teams coach, Alan Lowry. It was the first time in my seven years in the NFL I had seen a player verbally go after a coach. Jimmy came over and calmed Michael down, and I thought Jimmy was going to get all over Michael. He didn't. Effectively sided with Michael. What that told me was that Jimmy believed he needed Michael more than he needed Alan Lowry. So there you go.

Continue reading...

And this is the reality of the matter. The difference with Jimmy compared to other coaches is he didn't try to spin the situation. He came out and said some players get preferential treatment compared to others because of their star power. Just come out and say it and stop trying to fool everyone like you're trying to be fair.

That's why it's amusing to read fans try to defend Hardy when if he were with any other team, they'd likely be criticizing him the same way. A great number of our fans support Hardy because he's a Cowboys and he's a blue-chip player. They refuse to pay attention to the patterns he himself has established in his life to bring about criticism from others.

I respect more those fans who say, "Yeah, I know he's got issues, but I support him because he can sack the quarterback consistently."

That was Jimmy's approach. And despite what I think about his approach and the deeper significance of his stance, at least he's being honest.

 

[foofighters]

Irvin stabbed a teammate with Scissors.....I wonder if all these Hardy Haters were hating on Irvin back then.

 

[remdak]

Nate Newton had a great take yesterday on Talkin' Cowboys about this. Basically, he said, "don't listen to any of those idiots who say they would get in Hardy's face and yell and all that. I'm a grown man and if you come up on me like that, especially after a loss where I am PO'd, you are going to lose something."

 

[tyke1doe]

Irvin stabbed a teammate with Scissors.....I wonder if all these Hardy Haters were hating on Irvin back then.

Actually, they were. But because the incident was kept sort of hush, hush and because we didn't have social media back then, it didn't make the news the Hardy situation did.
It's hard to compare eras because of different variables (such as social media). But I think if an Irvin incident occurred in today's world, it would have generated as much buzz.

 

[foofighters]

Actually, they were. But because the incident was kept sort of hush, hush and because we didn't have social media back then, it didn't make the news the Hardy situation did.
It's hard to compare eras because of different variables (such as social media). But I think if an Irvin incident occurred in today's world, it would have generated as much buzz.

Irvin got a pass because of all the winning. If we were dominating right now, you wouldn't hear much about Hardy.

 

[khiladi]

Coaches often blame players when they getting blasted for their bad coaching and make a career off players that are all-world.

I frankly don't care if Hardy went after the scrub coach verbally...

 

[khiladi]

Irvin got a pass because of all the winning. If we were dominating right now, you wouldn't hear much about Hardy.

Hardy is dominating though.... That's why we hear about it from the media trying to drum up ratings off the Cowboys...

 

[khiladi]

And this is the reality of the matter. The difference with Jimmy compared to other coaches is he didn't try to spin the situation. He came out and said some players get preferential treatment compared to others because of their star power. Just come out and say it and stop trying to fool everyone like you're trying to be fair.

That's why it's amusing to read fans try to defend Hardy when if he were with any other team, they'd likely be criticizing him the same way. A great number of our fans support Hardy because he's a Cowboys and he's a blue-chip player. They refuse to pay attention to the patterns he himself has established in his life to bring about criticism from others.

I respect more those fans who say, "Yeah, I know he's got issues, but I support him because he can sack the quarterback consistently."

That was Jimmy's approach. And despite what I think about his approach and the deeper significance of his stance, at least he's being honest.

What patterns?

You wouldn't know about any patterns of not for the ONE situation that got him suspended, that doesn't prove anything... That doesn't qualify as a pattern..

That ONE situation is affecting your judgment on an incident that multiple players have already said happens all the time across the spectrum for all types of players...

 

[khiladi]

i guess when 'coaches lose the locker room' , it's all nice and dandy type of 'losing'...

 

[jterrell]

How would Jimmy/Bill have handled it?
IMO....
Jimmy would've beaten Hardy to the ST coach with a tirade of epic proportions.
You can not lose the ST battle with a back up QB in the game and you don't lose 4 in a row.

Parcells would've made jokes about it and given Hardy some nickname like Special Team enforcer but he also would have said we should all be mad, we've lost 4 in a row.

Neither guy would have challenged Hardy in a way that penalized the team's chances to win and it is clear he is our best DL and pass rusher by quite a wide margin. If JJ Watt is the best in the league, Hardy is a close 2nd. And both coaches would be far more worried about next Sunday than the incident.

 

[tyke1doe]

Irvin got a pass because of all the winning. If we were dominating right now, you wouldn't hear much about Hardy.

I disagree. The scissor incident only reached rumor level. There were know official reports, no pictures of the incident. And the victim (I forget his name) didn't press charges.

Even so, we heard about it.

If Irvin's teammate had press charges (which is what Hardy's ex-girlfriend did), then we would have heard more about it, just as we heard about Irvin's, "Do you know who I am?" statement.

If Irvin's situation had happened in this social media climate, I doubt very seriously he would have been given a pass.(Pardon the pun)