News: DMN: Laufenberg: Don't assume Greg Hardy would have been punished under Johnson or Parcells

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I've already explained it to you. If you missed it, go back and read "Greg Hardy and the Media" in the rant zone.
you BLATHERED something about appearances that made no sense at all to anyone with a thinking brain cell
What that REALLY meant is that you are frightened that a gun will jump off a table and shoot you.
 

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Brian Cushing quits on the Texans during a blowout loss to the dolphins.

Hardy flicks off because his team let the giants take a lead on a kick off return.

Which is on the ESPN ticker

This is the first time I heard about Cushing, and I live in Houston.
 

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And this is the reality of the matter. The difference with Jimmy compared to other coaches is he didn't try to spin the situation. He came out and said some players get preferential treatment compared to others because of their star power. Just come out and say it and stop trying to fool everyone like you're trying to be fair.

That's why it's amusing to read fans try to defend Hardy when if he were with any other team, they'd likely be criticizing him the same way. A great number of our fans support Hardy because he's a Cowboys and he's a blue-chip player. They refuse to pay attention to the patterns he himself has established in his life to bring about criticism from others.

I respect more those fans who say, "Yeah, I know he's got issues, but I support him because he can sack the quarterback consistently."

That was Jimmy's approach. And despite what I think about his approach and the deeper significance of his stance, at least he's being honest.

You have a consistant pattern of "knowing" how others would react. If he was on another team I'd react exactly the same. So please don't include me in those groups that you know.
 

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I've read reports he was liked by his teammates and the only one wanted him gone was the owner...

And Steve Smith got in fist fights during practice at Carolina..

Yeah, there have been reports both ways. We'll see which reports lend themselves to a pattern because the magnifying glass is more intense in Dallas than Carolina.
 

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he wants Hardy gone so he will keep up with the BS thinking somehow he has some kind of power. Kind of pathetic.

Seeing how I don't want Hardy gone, who embraces BS thinking?
But this is they type response you get from one who can't handle criticism or the criticism of his beloved Cowboys player.
Have at it.
 

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you BLATHERED something about appearances that made no sense at all to anyone with a thinking brain cell
What that REALLY meant is that you are frightened that a gun will jump off a table and shoot you.

It may not make sense to someone with ONE thinking brain cell. But more than one? Yes, it makes PERFECTLY good sense.

Whether you like it or not, image matters. Tell that to all these kids wearing their pants down by their knees. Tell that to the person who can't get a decent-paying job because he has tattoos marking his face like Mike Tyson.

The problem isn't my thinking skills, but your inability to be discerning about people, actions, attitudes and patterns of behavior.

And I said nothing about guns jumping off the table and shooting someone. See, you and your Hardy love buddies traffic in strawmen. I'm all for gun ownership and responsible gun ownership.

Again, whether you like it or not, guys brandishing guns and displaying guns irresponsibly create an IMAGE. And just as you have one brain cell that makes you ignore this, there are others who use the multiple brain cells they have to evaluate and properly assess what these images may mean and what theses images mean to others.

Yes, multiple brain cells are necessary to process the level of foresight and knowledge I've dropped on you. But I'm a patient man. I'll wait for you to evolve. :)
 

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You have a consistant pattern of "knowing" how others would react. If he was on another team I'd react exactly the same. So please don't include me in those groups that you know.

It's called wisdom, my friend. :)
 

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It may not make sense to someone with ONE thinking brain cell. But more than one? Yes, it makes PERFECTLY good sense.

Whether you like it or not, image matters. Tell that to all these kids wearing their pants down by their knees. Tell that to the person who can't get a decent-paying job because he has tattoos marking his face like Mike Tyson.

The problem isn't my thinking skills, but your inability to be discerning about people, actions, attitudes and patterns of behavior.

And I said nothing about guns jumping off the table and shooting someone. See, you and your Hardy love buddies traffic in strawmen. I'm all for gun ownership and responsible gun ownership.

Again, whether you like it or not, guys brandishing guns and displaying guns irresponsibly create an IMAGE. And just as you have one brain cell that makes you ignore this, there are others who use the multiple brain cells they have to evaluate and properly assess what these images may mean and what theses images mean to others.

Yes, multiple brain cells are necessary to process the level of foresight and knowledge I've dropped on you. But I'm a patient man. I'll wait for you to evolve. :)

Exactly. Highly evolved people judge others by the image they perceive the person to be not the content of their character.
 
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Can't wait until this week is over and the Hardy things die down and there is something else for people to bleat about.
 

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Exactly. Highly evolved people judge others by the image they perceive the person to be not the content of their character.

Your mastery of words probably confuses even you, much more your reader.

Be that as it may, stop being so sensitive. If my comments don't apply to you, then let them roll off your back.

You and others have an incessant need not only to defend Hardy like he's Mother Teresa but to get all consternated over a perceive slight. Your character - since you mentioned it - shouldn't be affected by generalizations made by someone on the Internet.

Or as Aaron Rodgers said, "Chillax!" ;) :)
 

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Question: Steve Dennis just said on the radio that if you were in Jason Garrett's shoes, Greg Hardy WOULD be on your team. Please tell me he's not right.

Babe Laufenberg: Obviously didn't hear that, so can't verify the authenticity of that statement. One thing I have heard is that Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells would have never allowed the Hardy sideline outburst to go unpunished. That would be revisionist history. I was with the Cowboys in training camp in Thousand Oaks in 1989. After practice ended, Michael Irvin got into a heated exchange that clearly bordered on insubordination with our special teams coach, Alan Lowry. It was the first time in my seven years in the NFL I had seen a player verbally go after a coach. Jimmy came over and calmed Michael down, and I thought Jimmy was going to get all over Michael. He didn't. Effectively sided with Michael. What that told me was that Jimmy believed he needed Michael more than he needed Alan Lowry. So there you go.

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I appreciate the loyalty to a Cowboys player.
Yet, to knock a clipboard from a coach's hands and to break up a huddle of players . . . that is stepping over the line.
So tired of Jason Garrett saying a disruptive player is "passionate."
Passionate is Witten, Romo and yes, Carr and Claiborne and Beasley, players who though inconsistent try their best. Their passion do not disrupt the team, it gift the team a lift.

THAT is the difference.
But let us be fair: jerra is the real enabler here and Jason is just going along like a lap dog.
Obviously, hardy be feeling like an All-Pro with his 3 or so sacks and feels invincible and impevus to discipline. Let's just wait for his next outburst. By that time, I guarantee you that the players will not stand for that. And they should not.:mad:
 

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Your mastery of words probably confuses even you, much more your reader.

Be that as it may, stop being so sensitive. If my comments don't apply to you, then let them roll off your back.

You and others have an incessant need not only to defend Hardy like he's Mother Teresa but to get all consternated over a perceive slight. Your character - since you mentioned it - shouldn't be affected by generalizations made by someone on the Internet.

Or as Aaron Rodgers said, "Chillax!" ;) :)

You telling someone not to be so sensitive. :lmao2:

Where did I mention my character?
You consistently have trouble understanding what's being said. I've seen you question others in the same way. Do you ever think it's possibly you?:D
 

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You telling someone not to be so sensitive. :lmao2:

Where did I mention my character?
You consistently have trouble understanding what's being said. I've seen you question others in the same way. Do you ever think it's possibly you?:D

You don't even know what you're talking about.
Let me break it down to you:

First, you didn't mention your character. I did. And I did so because you seem to be upset that I generalized about fans who defend Hardy. I THEN said to you that you shouldn't worry about what I said if it doesn't apply to you. The fact that you DID get bothered suggests something about your character. That doesn't necessarily mean anything bad. It may be that you're extra sensitive. And maybe I'm amused by your sensitivity.

Second, there is a difference between my reaction and yours. When I initiate criticism, it is generally towards the players or the coaches because, well, this is a Cowboys forum. When you and others like you enter into discussion with me, it's usually to defend a Cowboys player. Then when you don't like what I say, you start to get personal. I don't tend to initiate personal conflicts. But, yes, I do continue what was started.

Third, I have no problem with what's being said. I DO have a problem with strawmen. Generally speaking, it's you and your cohorts who take something I say and argue points not even being contended. And then you say I don't understand what's being said?:laugh:

Fourth, as for your last point, there is a saying that a man is known not only by the friends he keeps but the enemies he makes. You and a handful of guys around here generally wear their sensitivities on their sleeves. You and your cohorts feel the need to criticize people's opinions when they don't fit your Cowboys perspective, and then you get personal with your responses and insults. I've also noticed that with posters who are used to dealing with disagreements and civil discussion, I have no problems with them. We generally agree to disagree with respect and dignity.
It's just posters like you I seem to get into these run-ins with. And if I must confess to my part in this discourse, it's that I don't always back down because I believe I defend my position and defend it well.

Oh, and, no conversation can end without the obligatory ... :)
 
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You don't even know what you're talking about.
Let me break it down to you:

First, you didn't mention your character. I did. And I did so because you seem to be upset that I generalized about fans who defend Hardy. I THEN said to you that you shouldn't worry about what I said if it doesn't apply to you. The fact that you DID get bothered suggests something about your character. That doesn't necessarily mean anything bad. It may be that you're extra sensitive. And maybe I'm amused by your sensitivity.

Second, there is a difference between my reaction and yours. When I initiate criticism, it is generally towards the players or the coaches because, well, this is a Cowboys forum. When you and others like you enter into discussion with me, it's usually to defend a Cowboys player. Then when you don't like what I say, you start to get personal. I don't tend to initiate personal conflicts. But, yes, I do continue what was started.

Third, I have no problem with what's being said. I DO have a problem with strawmen. Generally speaking, it's you and your cohorts who take something I say and argue points not even being contended. And then you say I don't understand what's being said?:laugh:

Fourth, as for your last point, there is a saying that a man is known not only by the friends he keeps but the enemies he makes. You and a handful of guys around here generally wear their sensitivities on their sleeves. You and your cohorts feel the need to criticize people's opinions when they don't fit your Cowboys perspective, and then you get personal with your responses and insults. I've also noticed that with posters who are used to dealing with disagreements and civil discussion, I have no problems with them. We generally agree to disagree with respect and dignity.
It's just posters like you I seem to get into these run-ins with. And if I must confess to my part in this discourse, it's that I don't always back down because I believe I defend my position and defend it well.

Oh, and, no conversation can end without the obligatory ... :)

So when you said "your character since you mentioned it" you meant what exactly? Weird now you're having trouble comprehending your own words.
Maybe it's you ?

What exactly did I say that leads you to believe I'm sooo upset or upset at all? This is a literal question.

So if I comment that judging someone by their image rather than their character then that's defending a player? Thats judgement on the possibilities of what judgement should be based on. How is that getting personal?

Oh my, you're awfully sensitive. Sorry :D
 
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So when you said "your character since you mentioned it" you meant what exactly? Weird now you're having trouble comprehending your own words.
Maybe it's you ?

I was about as clear and concise as I could be. I have no trouble with my words because I am an excellent communicator.
But if YOU can't understand, that's something you have deal with on your own.

What exactly did I say that leads you to believe I'm sooo upset or upset at all? This is a literal question.

If you can't comprehend my explanation on the character question, why would I think you'd understand if I explained why I say you're upset? Go back and re-read the point at which you started engaging me in this thread. There you will find your clue.

So if I comment that judging someone by their image rather than their character then that's defending a player? Thats judgement on the possibilities of what judgement should be based on. How is that getting personal?

I'm not even going to try to sort this mumbo jumbo out. Again, follow the flow of conversation. You'll find your answer.

Oh my, you're awfully sensitive. Sorry :D

What are you a parrot? Get your own material. :)
 

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Question: Steve Dennis just said on the radio that if you were in Jason Garrett's shoes, Greg Hardy WOULD be on your team. Please tell me he's not right.

Babe Laufenberg: Obviously didn't hear that, so can't verify the authenticity of that statement. One thing I have heard is that Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells would have never allowed the Hardy sideline outburst to go unpunished. That would be revisionist history. I was with the Cowboys in training camp in Thousand Oaks in 1989. After practice ended, Michael Irvin got into a heated exchange that clearly bordered on insubordination with our special teams coach, Alan Lowry. It was the first time in my seven years in the NFL I had seen a player verbally go after a coach. Jimmy came over and calmed Michael down, and I thought Jimmy was going to get all over Michael. He didn't. Effectively sided with Michael. What that told me was that Jimmy believed he needed Michael more than he needed Alan Lowry. So there you go.

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seems like some in the media even the ones covering the cowboys want the nfl to go after hardy they way they are covering him. Just like they blew up every TO story while he was with the Cowboys. Even when it was later discovered that witten didnt like owens and haley were the ones leaking info to the media, the majority of the team sided with owens. especially def players. Jerry you can tell he didnt want to get rid of owens, but i dont think he was willing to alienate Romo and witten. Media and fans have too much time on their hands when it comes to this team
 

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seems like some in the media even the ones covering the cowboys want the nfl to go after hardy they way they are covering him. Just like they blew up every TO story while he was with the Cowboys. Even when it was later discovered that witten didnt like owens and haley were the ones leaking info to the media, the majority of the team sided with owens. especially def players. Jerry you can tell he didnt want to get rid of owens, but i dont think he was willing to alienate Romo and witten. Media and fans have too much time on their hands when it comes to this team

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