News: DMN: Laufenberg: Don't assume Greg Hardy would have been punished under Johnson or Parcells

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Parcells told Cowherd he didn't see what Hardy did as over the top, so there's that.

Exactly Parcells actually imbraces these type of players. He knows there hard to find. Hardy just has a lot of passion and im thinking its going to start to rub off on players in the right way. we need this
 

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Jimmy and Parcells barely recognize this game. The football bubble teams used to operate in is gone. Overreaction and selective outrage is en vogue. Hot topic issues wax and wane with the seasons.

Football is Oprah now.
 

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What patterns?

You wouldn't know about any patterns of not for the ONE situation that got him suspended, that doesn't prove anything... That doesn't qualify as a pattern..

That ONE situation is affecting your judgment on an incident that multiple players have already said happens all the time across the spectrum for all types of players...

I've gone over this before and don't care to debate it ad nauseum again. But since you asked ...

There are reports (and even Cris Carter confirmed this) that Hardy fought with his teammates in Carolina - fist fights.

Hardy was into wild parties where sex, alcohol and drugs were present.
Hardy has been reported to be very reckless with his display of his weapons.
Hardy has been accused of domestic abuse. And even if you don't believe the woman who accused him, his choice of who he decided to "date" says something about him.

I said this in another thread, so let me be clear: If Hardy wants to live the way he does, fine. This is not a moral judgment I'm making about him but an observational one.

And my point is simply this: the decisions people make in life, the choice of friends, their actions, their responses, their hobbies, their interests, etc., paint a picture of them.

And when people make certain decisions, they tend to repeat those same decisions and those decisions establish a pattern. And people judge them accordingly.

It's not a matter of legality. It's a matter of human response, human nature and human behavior.

And while we can hope for the best, we shouldn't be shocked either when people who make such decisions find themselves trapped in a particular pattern that their life's choices have paved for them.
 

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I disagree. The scissor incident only reached rumor level. There were know official reports, no pictures of the incident. And the victim (I forget his name) didn't press charges.

Even so, we heard about it.

If Irvin's teammate had press charges (which is what Hardy's ex-girlfriend did), then we would have heard more about it, just as we heard about Irvin's, "Do you know who I am?" statement.

If Irvin's situation had happened in this social media climate, I doubt very seriously he would have been given a pass.(Pardon the pun)

Jerry made sure no one heard about it. Winning cures all.
 

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Jerry made sure no one heard about it. Winning cures all.

And Jerry could do that because Jerry wasn't living in a social media age back then. So it was easier to cover up things back then than it is today.

Do you think police brutality is new to this age? It has been going on since the first law enforcement team. But video has made it seem more prevalent. And social media has made it even more ubiquitous.

The same principle applies.
 

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And Jerry could do that because Jerry wasn't living in a social media age back then. So it was easier to cover up things back then than it is today.

Do you think police brutality is new to this age? It has been going on since the first law enforcement team. But video has made it seem more prevalent. And social media has made it even more ubiquitous.

The same principle applies.

Absolutely that is the case. All I am saying is that the media wouldn't be driving so hard on Hardy if we were winning.
 

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I disagree. The scissor incident only reached rumor level. There were know official reports, no pictures of the incident. And the victim (I forget his name) didn't press charges.

Even so, we heard about it.

If Irvin's teammate had press charges (which is what Hardy's ex-girlfriend did), then we would have heard more about it, just as we heard about Irvin's, "Do you know who I am?" statement.

If Irvin's situation had happened in this social media climate, I doubt very seriously he would have been given a pass.(Pardon the pun)

that's partially correct.
The player was Everett MkIver.
No charges for filed because Jerry Jones paid him off or so the story goes.
 

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Absolutely that is the case. All I am saying is that the media wouldn't be driving so hard on Hardy if we were winning.

The media is on Hardy because he is a convenient target. He is a huge man that got into a fight with his then fiancee and used plenty of force.
The media came after him and when it gets pointed out how silly they are for doing so a year and half later while the woman in question is off shopping and living her life they dig in and become bitter.

They really despise Hardy largely because he proves they are mostly powerless and often hypocrites.
 

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The media is on Hardy because he is a convenient target. He is a huge man that got into a fight with his then fiancee and used plenty of force.
The media came after him and when it gets pointed out how silly they are for doing so a year and half later while the woman in question is off shopping and living her life they dig in and become bitter.

They really despise Hardy largely because he proves they are mostly powerless and often hypocrites.

Or he could have been abusive to his then girlfriend, gotten a second chance and then showed his true colors...again...by making comments about women, tweeting about the twin towers and being an ***-clown on game days. Could be that

As far as Jimmy, Troy was on the Ticket this morning and said no one should be surprised, that this is how Jerry has done things for 20 years since Jimmy left. His quote, not mine.
 

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Or he could have been abusive to his then girlfriend, gotten a second chance and then showed his true colors...again...by making comments about women, tweeting about the twin towers and being an ***-clown on game days. Could be that

As far as Jimmy, Troy was on the Ticket this morning and said no one should be surprised, that this is how Jerry has done things for 20 years since Jimmy left. His quote, not mine.

I think Troy's still a little hurt that Jerry thinks Weeden throws a prettier ball than him. ;)
 

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Absolutely that is the case. All I am saying is that the media wouldn't be driving so hard on Hardy if we were winning.

You think so?
If the Cowboys should somehow get to the Super Bowl, I predict the scrutiny of Hardy would increase x20.
 

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What patterns?

You wouldn't know about any patterns of not for the ONE situation that got him suspended, that doesn't prove anything... That doesn't qualify as a pattern..

That ONE situation is affecting your judgment on an incident that multiple players have already said happens all the time across the spectrum for all types of players...

he wants Hardy gone so he will keep up with the BS thinking somehow he has some kind of power. Kind of pathetic.
 

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I've gone over this before and don't care to debate it ad nauseum again. But since you asked ...

There are reports (and even Cris Carter confirmed this) that Hardy fought with his teammates in Carolina - fist fights.

Hardy was into wild parties where sex, alcohol and drugs were present.
Hardy has been reported to be very reckless with his display of his weapons.
Hardy has been accused of domestic abuse. And even if you don't believe the woman who accused him, his choice of who he decided to "date" says something about him.

I said this in another thread, so let me be clear: If Hardy wants to live the way he does, fine. This is not a moral judgment I'm making about him but an observational one.

And my point is simply this: the decisions people make in life, the choice of friends, their actions, their responses, their hobbies, their interests, etc., paint a picture of them.

And when people make certain decisions, they tend to repeat those same decisions and those decisions establish a pattern. And people judge them accordingly.

It's not a matter of legality. It's a matter of human response, human nature and human behavior.

And while we can hope for the best, we shouldn't be shocked either when people who make such decisions find themselves trapped in a particular pattern that their life's choices have paved for them.
reports by who?

And by the way what is it with your obsession about his SO CALLED display of weapons?
 

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reports by who?

And by the way what is it with your obsession about his SO CALLED display of weapons?

I've already explained it to you. If you missed it, go back and read "Greg Hardy and the Media" in the rant zone.
 

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I've already explained it to you. If you missed it, go back and read "Greg Hardy and the Media" in the rant zone.

I've read reports he was liked by his teammates and the only one wanted him gone was the owner...

And Steve Smith got in fist fights during practice at Carolina..
 
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I disagree. The scissor incident only reached rumor level. There were know official reports, no pictures of the incident. And the victim (I forget his name) didn't press charges.

Even so, we heard about it.

If Irvin's teammate had press charges (which is what Hardy's ex-girlfriend did), then we would have heard more about it, just as we heard about Irvin's, "Do you know who I am?" statement.

If Irvin's situation had happened in this social media climate, I doubt very seriously he would have been given a pass.(Pardon the pun)

That was a huge story that Jerry just swept under the rug with some money. You're right that I don't think he'd be able to do that today.
 

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The media will mock Dallas all season for signing Hardy, but history will show that a team in Charlotte blew a shot at its first ring by letting him go.
 

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Question: Steve Dennis just said on the radio that if you were in Jason Garrett's shoes, Greg Hardy WOULD be on your team. Please tell me he's not right.

Babe Laufenberg: Obviously didn't hear that, so can't verify the authenticity of that statement. One thing I have heard is that Jimmy Johnson or Bill Parcells would have never allowed the Hardy sideline outburst to go unpunished. That would be revisionist history. I was with the Cowboys in training camp in Thousand Oaks in 1989. After practice ended, Michael Irvin got into a heated exchange that clearly bordered on insubordination with our special teams coach, Alan Lowry. It was the first time in my seven years in the NFL I had seen a player verbally go after a coach. Jimmy came over and calmed Michael down, and I thought Jimmy was going to get all over Michael. He didn't. Effectively sided with Michael. What that told me was that Jimmy believed he needed Michael more than he needed Alan Lowry. So there you go.

Continue reading...

The difference is that Jimmy directly interceded, he was not passively watcing. And both Jimmy and Haley have told the same story of how Jimmy grabbed Haley after a game and flushed a toilet, saying you see this, this is your career if you don't get your act right.

And Jimmy has always said that he treats players differently depending on the quality of player you were. Hardy would not have had carte blanche to act any way he wanted in front of Jimmy, unless Jimmy signed off on it. And I saw Parcells grab plenty of guys by the grill (helmet or collar), including his assistant coaches. Laufenberg is protecting his friend Garrett, to insinuate that Jimmy, or Parcells, are anywhere near the same level as Garrett is preposterous.
 

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Nate Newton had a great take yesterday on Talkin' Cowboys about this. Basically, he said, "don't listen to any of those idiots who say they would get in Hardy's face and yell and all that. I'm a grown man and if you come up on me like that, especially after a loss where I am PO'd, you are going to lose something."

Nate talks tough now, but Jimmy scared him shaitless. He's admitted his fear of Jimmy many times, and he was not alone.
 

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Brian Cushing quits on the Texans during a blowout loss to the dolphins.

Hardy flicks off because his team let the giants take a lead on a kick off return.

Which is on the ESPN ticker
 
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