DMN Macmahon on the difference between Stanback and Ogletree

[Reality]

Personally, I am quite happy with our receivers ..

#1 - Williams
#2 - Witten
#3 - Crayton
#4 - Bennett
#5 - Hurd/Austin

I think everyone gets too wrapped up in "wide receiver" and "tight end" labels and forgets that we have the best receiving TE in the game and a second year TE that has really shown he can be a player in the receiving game.

Keep in mind that good coaches gameplan around the players they have, not what the average team does. Otherwise, there would be no 3-4 defense, no west coast offense, etc. Just because teams have 4-5 receivers does not mean that it goes ... WR1 -> WR2 -> WR3 -> TE1 -> RB1 -> WR4 ...

There are no #2 wide receivers in the league I would trade Witten for and there are several #1 WR's I would gladly trade for Witten if we didn't already have him.

When you add in our three running backs to the passing game, it just makes us even better.

Then again, this is just the voice of Reality speaking ...

-Reality

 

[casmith07]

You guys show no love for Austin and Hurd and have 0 clue what player development is.

CATCH17 for the win.

 

[casmith07]

Personally, I am quite happy with our receivers ..

#1 - Williams
#2 - Witten
#3 - Crayton
#4 - Bennett
#5 - Hurd/Austin

I think everyone gets too wrapped up in "wide receiver" and "tight end" labels and forgets that we have the best receiving TE in the game and a second year TE that has really shown he can be a player in the receiving game.

Keep in mind that good coaches gameplan around the players they have, not what the average team does. Otherwise, there would be no 3-4 defense, no west coast offense, etc. Just because teams have 4-5 receivers does not mean that it goes ... WR1 -> WR2 -> WR3 -> TE1 -> RB1 -> WR4 ...

There are no #2 wide receivers in the league I would trade Witten for and there are several #1 WR's I would gladly trade for Witten if we didn't already have him.

When you add in our three running backs to the passing game, it just makes us even better.

Then again, this is just the voice of Reality speaking ...

-Reality

Great, great post.

 

[Doomsday]

My biggest concearn with this group of WRs is health. Crayton is the only one who isnt hurt or banged up every year. RW, Hurd, Austin and Stanback have all been injured through out their careers.

 

[Vertigo_17]

I'm really starting to like what i see from Sam Hurd.

yep, if he can only stay healthy...

 

[silver]

We don't have anybody to stretch the field other than maybe Austin, and he's shown in 4 years that he's consistently inconsistent. All that argument that we have the best TE's in the league is an excuse for failing to secure a deep threat through FA or the draft. What this team reminds me of is the '87 Cowboys who had Dorsett & Walker to go along with Renfro and Cosbie: pedestrian we were called back then.

 

[starfrombirth]

You think Belichick is the best coach in the NFL?

I've always thought he's overrated.

I'd have to disagree with you on this one. Belicheck(?) has won more with more personnel groupings and various talent levels than anyone else in this era. I'm sorry, I hate the patriots, but they have THE best coach in football and I'm firmly convinced that without him they wouldn't have won any superbowls.

 

[Primetime42]

We don't have anybody to stretch the field other than maybe Austin, and he's shown in 4 years that he's consistently inconsistent. All that argument that we have the best TE's in the league is an excuse for failing to secure a deep threat through FA or the draft. What this team reminds me of is the '87 Cowboys who had Dorsett & Walker to go along with Renfro and Cosbie: pedestrian we were called back then.

Mark my words on this;

Roy and Austin will be enough.

Dude is far from a slug.

 

[skinsscalper]

Personally, I am quite happy with our receivers ..

#1 - Williams
#2 - Witten
#3 - Crayton
#4 - Bennett
#5 - Hurd/Austin

I think everyone gets too wrapped up in "wide receiver" and "tight end" labels and forgets that we have the best receiving TE in the game and a second year TE that has really shown he can be a player in the receiving game.

Keep in mind that good coaches gameplan around the players they have, not what the average team does. Otherwise, there would be no 3-4 defense, no west coast offense, etc. Just because teams have 4-5 receivers does not mean that it goes ... WR1 -> WR2 -> WR3 -> TE1 -> RB1 -> WR4 ...

There are no #2 wide receivers in the league I would trade Witten for and there are several #1 WR's I would gladly trade for Witten if we didn't already have him.

When you add in our three running backs to the passing game, it just makes us even better.

Then again, this is just the voice of Reality speaking ...

-Reality

I agree to a degree about the "depth ladder" of WRs. I am also a fan of the Patriots approach to the WR position. Yes they have playmakers and one of the greatest WRs in the game (Moss). But they are consistent about one thing and have been since Belicheck took over. The #1 WR or TE is the one that's open.

Sure they traded for Moss and were wise to do so with a 4th rd. price tag. But they won Super Bowls with pedestrians at the position. Some of those same WRs that parlayed their success with the Pats into lucrative deals with other teams have been a shell of their former selves on other teams.

The one constant in the Pats success has been execution. It's what the Cowboys have been lacking. Not superstars or Pro Bowlers, but players that execute within the system. Belicheck is no master motivator. He's just the best in the league at getting his team to execute. Once that little hill has been surmounted, there's more than enough talent on this team to be dominating.

 

[Idgit]

I agree to a degree about the "depth ladder" of WRs. I am also a fan of the Patriots approach to the WR position. Yes they have playmakers and one of the greatest WRs in the game (Moss). But they are consistent about one thing and have been since Belicheck took over. The #1 WR or TE is the one that's open.

Sure they traded for Moss and were wise to do so with a 4th rd. price tag. But they won Super Bowls with pedestrians at the position. Some of those same WRs that parlayed their success with the Pats into lucrative deals with other teams have been a shell of their former selves on other teams.

The one constant in the Pats success has been execution. It's what the Cowboys have been lacking. Not superstars or Pro Bowlers, but players that execute within the system. Belicheck is no master motivator. He's just the best in the league at getting his team to execute. Once that little hill has been surmounted, there's more than enough talent on this team to be dominating.

Belichick's a master motivator, too. That said, their recent teams haven't done any better than the recent Cowboy teams. They won their Superbowls because the had a dominating defense.

 

[jterrell]

Sorry, this has to be O-line or D-line

no way.

OL has 3 Pro Bowl caliber players but zero depth.
DL has a stud in Ratliff and 2 solid vets with Spears and Igor.

WR has RW who is coming off an awful season by starter standards and a bunch of guys who have been hurt a lot.

 

[jterrell]

Mark my words on this;

Roy and Austin will be enough.

Dude is far from a slug.

Austin will be enough for weeks say 3,4,5, and 11,12. The other weeks he'll be out injured....

Seriously, it is time to stop projecting people beyond what they ever have done previously. It's not like these guys are rookies with no track record. They have track records, it's just not expedient to point to them unless you want to cry.

 

[jterrell]

@TMac:

The biggest differences between Stanback and Ogletree.
Ogletree wasn't drafted but has also never missed a pro game with injury.

You could have said Alexander Wright was a better athlete than Michael Irvin....

 

[BrassCowboy]

Uhh.... then you should love our corps. Because Roy is #2. And Crayton is #3.

Our #1 is a guy named Witten.

Seriously, we have Witten and Bennett (who looks good). We have Roy and Crayton.

If you got some elite guy at #1 (or whatever is you think you want there), where the hell are you going to get enough balls for this offense?

I like a passing attack that is Roy, Crayton, Witten, and Bennett. Mix in some Austin speed and some Hurd hands. Add in a healthy dose of THE AWESOME Felix out of the backfield. And a little Barber and Choice. You have EVERYTHING you need.

I really can't understand you guys *****ing about our passing attack. Sure, I'd love Fitzgerald at #1 and Andre Johnson at #2 and Calvin Johnson at #3 and Roy at #4. But let's be fricking real. Our passing attack is plenty good enough to win it all with.

Quit *****ing please unless you are going to take a realistic view as to what we have and what you need to have win. This isn't fantasy football here.

I agree. Call it WR by committee, although I do think RW will be better this year than advertised.

TO wanted the ball all to himself, and he had the talent to want that, but that became a hinderence - not an asset....

We do not need a "#1" per se on this team, because we have too many guys not getting the ball then. What a waste.

That is one thing I am worried about in our running game right now is there is so much talent, how are we gonna use that so as to have little wasted talent.

 

[SMCowboy]

I really do not like our WR's. I love Roy Williams as a #2 and Caryton as a #3 but when you move everyone up one I'm not feeling real good about it. Sure hope I get proven wrog but I get the feeling everyone is playing a bigger role then they should.

If Williams is a #2 WR to you, how many NFL teams have a true #1 WR in your book?

Their can't be more than 10 maybe 12 teams......

 

[Apollo Creed]

Roy is good and it will be fun watching all these guys back track here in about a month regarding the receivers.

I'll be around. It works both ways. You're just hopelessly hopeful that Roy will be worth what we gave up.

I remember last year very vividly, and I remember his time in Detroit and Texas. I just don't see where he has been 'good' yet his entire career.

 

[Audiman]

I'd have to disagree with you on this one. Belicheck(?) has won more with more personnel groupings and various talent levels than anyone else in this era. I'm sorry, I hate the patriots, but they have THE best coach in football and I'm firmly convinced that without him they wouldn't have won any superbowls.

you're right. a real coach doesn't have to cheat...

 

[Dawgs0916]

I'd have to disagree with you on this one. Belicheck(?) has won more with more personnel groupings and various talent levels than anyone else in this era. I'm sorry, I hate the patriots, but they have THE best coach in football and I'm firmly convinced that without him they wouldn't have won any superbowls.

Having a franchise quarterback, and an elite coaching staff (not including the head coach) plays a bigger part than you'd think.

 

[DeaconBlues]

you're right. a real coach doesn't have to cheat...

+1.

Whatever reputation he may have had as a coach took a permanent hit with the cheating scandal. With all his motivational and coaching abilities, he didn't feel competent enough with himself to do it honestly.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I really do not like our WR's. I love Roy Williams as a #2 and Caryton as a #3 but when you move everyone up one I'm not feeling real good about it.

I agree. RW is an Alexander Wright kind of player. But he's no Kmart or even a Rocket.