DMN: Rick Gosselin's second mock draft

[cobra]

I'm laughing my arse off at two things:

1. People not knowing that Goose releases a 3rd Mock Draft the morning of the draft that is the most accurate one in the business and different than his 2nd one.

2. People thinking that Goose doesn't know what he is doing. He's the best there is.

 

[Bizwah]

Where there's smoke, there's fire.

I've heard Griffin's name bandied about with the Cowboys in a number of sites.

This alarms me......

Goose does do a number of drafts. But last year, he had us taking Donte Witner in all three, IIRC.

Over the past four years, I don't think anyone outside the organization knew what we were doing. Parcells kept everyone tight-lipped.

But JJ's never been too secretive.

I have a feeling we may see Griffin as our pick......

Dang! Jerry's back!

 

[DragonCowboy]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

I'm sympathetic towards Texas and I still think this'd be a waste of a pick.

 

[BigDPlayer]

It just doesn't make much sense, picking Griffin specifically. He goes on to list NE taking Meriweather and the comment is 'cover safeties are hard to find'. OK, if that is so, wouldn't Dallas covet the cover safety more. . . . all things considered?

Interesting, but logically flawed.

 

[Sandyf]

Goose will have his final mock the day of the draft and it is usually one of the most accurate ones that is available.

Whitner may of been our pick last year if Buffalo hadn't of overdrafted him in the top ten.

Remember at Texas, Griffin has played corner, both safety positions, returned both punts and kickoffs. There are several teams with CB need that brought in Griffin as a possible corner.

Ross is a ball hawk but he does have short legs for a safety which may or may not be a problem in the NFL.

Still think something up with the Juluis Jones thing. Wouldn't surprise me to see Griffin in the first maybe at 22 or later and a Brian Leonard in the 2nd if we trade Jones.

Not sure if I like it but it is a possibility.

 

[dogunwo]

The Peterson pick isn't as strange as you would think. Dallas is an example of the NFL's new trend of needing two backs to be successful running the football in this league. Of course there are exceptions such as Larry Johnson but remember that Priest Holmes was all-world at the time the Chiefs spent a 1st on Johnson. It worked well for them since Priest ended up getting injured and Johnson became all-everything. New Orleans did it last year with Deuce and Bush.

If Tampa were to take Peterson they would have one of the best 1-2 combos I've seen in years. Their combo would be light years better than the one the Cowboys have currently because in all honesty their backup would be a starter in Dallas. I think the pick wouldn't be too bad at all.

You forget at the time they selected Larry Johnson, Priest was having injury and contract issues, and the Chiefs weren't sure he was going to be ready to go, or even on the roster. It worked out the best possible way for them

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I thought the first round of the draft was to find people who could contribute immediately, not be special teamers.

 

[Tristan]

I'm all for having two backs, but it just doesn't make sense to draft two in the top five two years apart. Caddillac has a great upside, and could benefit from a guy like Joe Thomas.

The salary cap makes it practically an imposible luxury to have two top ten RB's IMO. Tampa has plenty of needs and would be wise to use the top five pick on a position that they don't already have a young top five pick already.

If tampa wants a RB tandem they would be wise to pair a second or third round pick with Caddilac, how about Kenny Irons or Michael Bush?

 

[speedkilz88]

Get a grip people, Goose has said on the radio before that he doesn't make his early mocks accurate because other internet sites always steal his mocks. His third one is the only one to go by. Just look up last years three mocks, they are all different.

 

[Achozen]

The Peterson pick isn't as strange as you would think. Dallas is an example of the NFL's new trend of needing two backs to be successful running the football in this league. Of course there are exceptions such as Larry Johnson but remember that Priest Holmes was all-world at the time the Chiefs spent a 1st on Johnson. It worked well for them since Priest ended up getting injured and Johnson became all-everything. New Orleans did it last year with Deuce and Bush.

If Tampa were to take Peterson they would have one of the best 1-2 combos I've seen in years. Their combo would be light years better than the one the Cowboys have currently because in all honesty their backup would be a starter in Dallas. I think the pick wouldn't be too bad at all.

Don't they still have Michael Pittman? He's a pretty decent number two guy. I don't think TB has the luxury to go for a guy like Peterson when they have other glaring needs.

 

[cobra]

I thought the first round of the draft was to find people who could contribute immediately, not be special teamers.

Huh?

I keep seeing people saying this is a waste of a pick.

Do you guys follow this stuff at all? Or are you just talking out your arses?

Griffin isn't drafted to be a special teamer. He is drafted to be the starting free safety. He will also contribue on special teams.

How is this a "waste of a pick?" It's not like we are passing on the pick and getting no one. We are getting a safety with a legit 1st round grade. That means we are getting a good young starting safety.

Do I want Griffin? No. He'd be my 3rd or 4th choice at #22 if the draft falls like that. However, it's not like we are picking some guy with a 6th round grade if we take Griffin. He is a legitimate 1st round draft pick at safety who will also be able to contribue mightly on special teams.

Get a grip.

 

[david_jackson]

Cobra

If your going to talk sense, then you can just go somewhere else!!!

 

[slick325]

Don't they still have Michael Pittman? He's a pretty decent number two guy. I don't think TB has the luxury to go for a guy like Peterson when they have other glaring needs.

The things that the Bucs really need are DE and DT. On offense Garcia will allow Chris Simms more time to grow so they won't need Russell or Quinn. They have decent WR's but it would be a no brainer to draft Calvin Johnson since he is seen as a can't miss prospect. However, based on the mock Gosselin put together Johnson is off the board. So their board would have to be altered.

If that is the case DE or DT would be their first wish but the top DE would be gone to the Lions and it would be too early to draft Jamal Anderson with the fourth pick. The same would apply to Okoye or Allan Branch at DT. Not sure how they feel about LaRon Landry but it may be too early for him at #4 too.

OT is also a need for the Bucs. I have no idea if they rate Joe Thomas ahead of Peterson or not but I have seen mocks that have Peterson going with the third pick so he may be the highest rated player available on their board. They could pick Thomas but probably would be looking for an impact guy at the #4 position. Not to say a great OT doesn't make an impact on a team but they can pick an OT high in the 2nd round (maybe J. Staley, T. Ugoh, R. Harris) and he could probably start as well. Peterson could have the same impact Carnell Williams had his rookie season if healthy and in the right situation.

I am sure they would love to trade down if they could but who would be a willing partner? Probably not many if the draft shakes out the way Gosselin sees it going. If that is the case they may either have to reach or end up pulling a Detroit and taking the same position within the top 5 within the last 3 years.

Williams and Peterson may really help each other out incredibly. They both have issues staying healthy and by having to split carries it could keep them both fresh and healthy all seaon. Similar to what Coach Parcells felt he needed to do with Julius Jones.

 

[Tristan]

Get a grip people, Goose has said on the radio before that he doesn't make his early mocks accurate because other internet sites always steal his mocks. His third one is the only one to go by. Just look up last years three mocks, they are all different.

I'm not sure when he started doing that, but two years ago he nailed both of our eventual selections in his second to last mock. He had us taking Ware & Spears exactly as we did. He then changed his prediction in his "final" mock to have us picking Spears first and then Marc Clayton (wr) with the second first round pick. So in that case he was actualy less acurate in his "final mock"

 

[Tristan]

I also think it's kind of silly for him to purposely pick wrong in a mock (if true) and be worrying about someone else stealing his brilliant guessing. For Christ sake it is pure speculation for the most part, he is not guarding bank vault codes. Pretty paranoid & conceited if true.

 

[5mics]

I don't think Griffin or Ross are worth a first round pick.

I agree w/ you on Ross. He's a fringe 1st rounder at best but he's rated highly for some reason.