DMN: Safety Roy Williams wants Dallas Cowboys to act today

[Woods]

BTW, just heard on ESPN radio that RW38s agent said the Cowboys are in trade discussions with another team. Didn't identify the proposed partner, nor could they get confirmation from the Boys

It's heating up!

Wonder what position we're looking to trade for? I hope it's on defense!

 

[khiladi]

Really, this is a sad ending to the Roy Williams saga with the Cowboys. So much potential, wasted. I rooted for this guy and wanted to see him return to his old form.... He was literally one of the faces of the Cowboys during his tenure here.

 

[Woods]

Really, this is a sad ending to the Roy Williams saga with the Cowboys. So much potential, wasted. I rooted for this guy and wanted to see him return to his old form.... He was literally one of the faces of the Cowboys during his tenure here.

It really is sad.

He was one of my favorite players. I can't believe how many of his rookie football cards I purchased . . . .

It seems that either Wade can't find a place on defense for him, but more likely, the cost versus production ratio is out of sync.

I get the impression that Wade has pretty much decided that RW is a 2 down player and that he is a liability in coverage and perhaps that's not likely to improve.

Again, those are just my impressions.

 

[AbeBeta]

So I wasn't just "pretending," as you claimed?

Pretending? I was referring to our discussion.

Examples, please.

Do we REALLY have to go back to the Roy can't cover argument? You can review that discussion if you want. We've had that argument over several threads. You want to keep pretending examples haven't been shown? Know that you do so only to try to save face, not because they don't exist.

Questions that I ask yet won't address? Huh? What question have I asked without addressing?

You will NOT address the fact that you address questions that have obvious answer -- e.g., Can Roy cover anyone? - clearly the answer is of course he can, he's a freaking pro DB. All those guys can cover someone. Rather than the real questions like "does Roy cover well enough to continue to be our starter at SS?"

Well, that's not a loaded question or anything.

If we don't keep him, it's because his salary/cap number is too high for the role he's expected to play and/or the production we expect to get out of him.

If we do keep him at his current salary, it's because we don't have any better options at that position right now.

If we keep him at a lower salary, it's because he agreed to take less money and we'd expect to get commensurate production out of him.

There are millions of different options for keeping him, trading him, releasing him, etc., all of which fall somewhere on the scale of what we "should" or "shouldn't" do.

With few exceptions, I'd never say we "should" do something so general as keeping or not keeping a specific player under any circumstances, because it implies that there are no circumstances when we should do the opposite. Are there NO circumstances in which we shouldn't keep Roy? Of course not. If he happily agrees to take the minimum salary this season, we'd be stupid not to keep him.

Again, as we began this discussion. It comes down to much more than just the money. Even at a minimum salary, we'd still be looking for a better player.

So again, what IS YOUR opinion. Should we cut Roy or not?

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Should we cut Roy or not?

Neither, we're in trade discussions with another unnamed team. Looks like you can both walk away happy now. Roy will be gone and we'll get some sort of compensation out of it.

 

[AbeBeta]

Neither, we're in trade discussions with another unnamed team. Looks like you can both walk away happy now. Roy will be gone and we'll get some sort of compensation out of it.

Cut vs. Trade. Same issue. Does he stay or go?

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

Cut vs. Trade. Same issue. Does he stay or go?

He goes via trade.

 

[dallasfaniac]

I am a 'Roy apologist' and I can answer that one. If we can get a nice pick for him, I would take it in a heartbeat but if not, I would rather restructure his contract because there aren't many options out there and don't give me Sean Jones, the DeAngello Hall of safeties.

 

[Thick 'N Hearty]

I am a 'Roy apologist' and I can answer that one. If we can get a nice pick for him, I would take it in a heartbeat but if not, I would rather restructure his contract because there aren't many options out there and don't give me Sean Jones, the DeAngello Hall of safeties.

I'm guessing the compensation will be no better than a 4th with possibly a pick next year.

 

[EveryoneElse]

Cut vs. Trade. Same issue. Does he stay or go?

He should go. He is a shell of his former self. He's 28 years old, presumably, he'd have to take a pay cut to stay. He couldn't produce with the big salary, does anyone actually think he would produce at a lower salary?

He's already asked to be cut or traded.....get someone that wants to be a Dallas Cowboy.

Jerry should wash his hands clean of Roy, and move on.

 

[AdamJT13]

Pretending? I was referring to our discussion.

First of all, your statement was "folks like myself." That includes other people. And the examples I gave very clearly supported my statement and refute your notion that I was "pretending" anything.

Do we REALLY have to go back to the Roy can't cover argument?

Yes, you REALLY have to give an example of what you claimed.

But we both know you won't.

You will NOT address the fact that you address questions that have obvious answer -- e.g., Can Roy cover anyone? - clearly the answer is of course he can, he's a *****ing pro DB. All those guys can cover someone. Rather than the real questions like "does Roy cover well enough to continue to be our starter at SS?"

So you're all bent out of shape because I didn't answer a question I was never asked? Unreal.

Again, as we began this discussion. It comes down to much more than just the money. Even at a minimum salary, we'd still be looking for a better player.

When aren't we looking for better players?

So again, what IS YOUR opinion. Should we cut Roy or not?

Under what specific circumstances? Like I said, there are a million different scenarios, each with a different answer on the scale of "should" or "shouldn't."

 

[Stash]

I can't believe that this drama is still being played out.

This is one thing that I'll be glad to see leave when Williams is cut.

 

[Idgit]

I can't believe that this drama is still being played out.

This is one thing that I'll be glad to see leave when Williams is cut.

This thread really has very little to do with Roy Williams.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

They had a report on 103.3 about a half hour ago that Roy's agent said they were working on a trade, but he wouldn't say to whom or for what.

If they get it done, I hope it's to an AFC team we won't play for year or two.

 

[TheSport78]

They had a report on 103.3 about a half hour ago that Roy's agent said they were working on a trade, but he wouldn't say to whom or for what.

If they get it done, I hope it's to an AFC team we won't play for year or two.

Probably to the Bengals to reunite Roy with Zimmer

 

[EveryoneElse]

They had a report on 103.3 about a half hour ago that Roy's agent said they were working on a trade, but he wouldn't say to whom or for what.

If they get it done, I hope it's to an AFC team we won't play for year or two.

When do we play the Raiders again? I think he goes to Oakland.

 

[Stash]

This thread really has very little to do with Roy Williams.

Very little to do with what's actually happening anyway.

 

[jwitten82]

They had a report on 103.3 about a half hour ago that Roy's agent said they were working on a trade, but he wouldn't say to whom or for what.

If they get it done, I hope it's to an AFC team we won't play for year or two.

I wonder if it's the Bears, they need a SS, and they run a 4-3, Roy would probaly be a good fit there.

 

[Hostile]

When do we play the Raiders again? I think he goes to Oakland.

This year. We will play either the Raiders or Chargers on Thanksgiving.

 

[Stash]

Probably to the Bengals to reunite Roy with Zimmer

I could see that happening.

I wonder if they've got a player they don't want?