DMN: Sporting News writer: Greg Hardy has rendered himself 'almost untouchable'

[Miller]

That's a very good point. ESPN is still beating the drum on this and could make a prime time special out of a tearful victim recounting the horror of that fateful night.

The fact is hasn't happened very likely means one of two things - either 1) ESPN has talked to her and knows she has no credibility, or 2) they have tried and she won't talk about which sworn statement she gave is true and which one is perjury.

Or the civil settlement won't allow her to talk regarding the case. The probable, rational and most likely answer.

 

[JoeKing]

Sigh. There's a difference between speculating what he meant and speculating that because the case is different he "settled" the case with Holder.

I've never heard the term "settlement" used when a DA agrees not to prosecute for lesser charges or threatens a perjury charge (or whatever the threat may be) against a reluctant witness but then drops it, have you?



You can have your doubts. But I don't believe those doubts amount to a reporter putting words in a DA's mouth that he settled a case nor a DA telling a judge in court that Hardy reached a settlement with Holder.

But we've beat the heck out of this dead horse, and the horse is still dead.

I'm not hearing your explanation for the DA claiming he conducted an extensive search to no avail despite social media tracking her every move. Did he tell this to a judge and the judge believed it? Maybe even the judge was in on the under table deal too.

 

[Miller]

That's kind of funny. A settlement, which the public knows zero details about, that stifles even ambiguous statements. That would be a notable feat in today's I don't give a damn western society. It may be so ironclad that she cannot even be named as an unnamed source. Now that would be an impressive concession nowadays.

As the smart people with legal backgrounds have been saying from the word go, its basic knowledge that these things are kept under wrap. Proceed with your Hardy Truther meetings. Y'all can discuss how the DA kept her in a secret cabin until they could close the case to save face, the grassy knoll, the moon landing and 9/11

http://www.americanbar.org/publicat...greements_is_bad_clients_lawyers_justice.html

Ronald L. Burdge, Esq. (ron@ohioconsumerlaw.com) is the principal in the Burdge Law Office Co, LPA, a consumer law practice located in

You worked for months getting your case ready for trial, and at the final pretrial conference a settlement was finally struck, the trial was cancelled, everyone was happy, and you went back to the office. Weeks later you get the settlement agreement and see it contains something not discussed: a confidentiality clause. Maybe it’s a problem. Maybe not. Either way though, it’s heartburn and more time in a case you thought was over with.

A confidentiality clause seeks to prohibit the parties to a settlement from disclosing the settlement terms and sometimes more. Confidentiality raises numerous problems. This article will discuss perceived and real problems with the use of confidentiality clauses in settlement agreements and tips on dealing with and avoiding them.

Clients often object to confidentiality because they are frustrated and angry about what has happened to them and what the defendant did. Defendants want confidentiality often because of the feared perception of guilt that accompanies a settlement. The secrecy itself, on the other hand, may be adverse to public policy and protection of the public—in short, it can allow wrongful conduct to continue.

Confidentiality does not actually promote settlement. The vast majority of cases already are settled without trial. Fundamentally, a settlement of a court case should be a public proceeding, just as a trial is a public proceeding of a court case.

Even so, whether or not to give confidentiality in a settlement is not the lawyer’s decision. It is the client’s case, and it is their decision to make, with the advice of counsel.

 

[Miller]

I'm not hearing your explanation for the DA claiming he conducted an extensive search to no avail despite social media tracking her every move. Did he tell this to a judge and the judge believed it? Maybe even the judge was in on the under table deal too.

This officially became one of the dumbest threads in this board's history if this is your belief system about the court system. A good many people I went to law school with started in the DAs office and continue to do so almost 20 years later. They are good people who are representing the county and who take the job seriously. Your thoughts are disturbing and ignorant. But we all knew that.

Let's please close this thing before it gets more ridiculous.

 

[JoeKing]

This officially became one of the dumbest threads in this board's history if this is your belief system about the court system. A good many people I went to law school with started in the DAs office and continue to do so almost 20 years later. They are good people who are representing the county and who take the job seriously. Your thoughts are disturbing and ignorant. But we all knew that.

Maybe you can explain why it was so easy for social media to track down the cokehead "victim" while the DA claimed she had apparently disappeared from the face of the earth.

 

[DallasEast]

As the smart people with legal backgrounds have been saying from the word go, its basic knowledge that these things are kept under wrap. Proceed with your Hardy Truther meetings. Y'all can discuss how the DA kept her in a secret cabin until they could close the case to save face, the grassy knoll, the moon landing and 9/11

http://www.americanbar.org/publicat...greements_is_bad_clients_lawyers_justice.html

Ronald L. Burdge, Esq. (ron@ohioconsumerlaw.com) is the principal in the Burdge Law Office Co, LPA, a consumer law practice located in

Did Ronald L Burdge Better Call Saul Esq. represent anyone at the Hardy/Holder bench trial?

 

[Miller]

Did Ronald L Burdge Better Call Saul Esq. represent anyone at the Hardy/Holder bench trial?

It's an article on the American Bar website. You know, the group for American lawyers. But since its common knowledge for those not acting like cavemen, what am I to expect.

Here is another from North Carolina and the 4th Circuit Crt. Good luck understanding real life. #tinfoilhardy

http://www.nclitigation.com/2014/03...identiality-clauses-in-settlement-agreements/

13. Confidentiality. . . . [T]he plaintiff shall not either directly or indirectly, disclose, discuss or communicate to any entity or person, except his attorneys or other professional advisors or spouse any information whatsoever regarding the existence or terms of his Agreement. . . . A breach . . . will result in disgorgement of the Plaintiff’s portion of the settlement Payments.

 

[DallasEast]

It's an article on the American Bar website. You know, the group for American lawyers. But since its common knowledge for those not acting like cavemen, what am I to expect.

Here is another from North Carolina and the 4th Circuit Crt. Good luck understanding real life. #tinfoilhardy

http://www.nclitigation.com/2014/03...identiality-clauses-in-settlement-agreements/

Wow. tinfoilhary. I sure have been pimping Hardy's innocence in this thread. Quick. Someone hold me back from the keyboard. #gettingpeevedfornoreason

 

[Miller]

Maybe you can explain why it was so easy for social media to track down the cokehead "victim" while the DA claimed she had apparently disappeared from the face of the earth.

1) You sound like a woman hater. I don't care what she did, women don't deserve to be battered. You are an angry little guy with an agenda who has shown to be wrong page after page.

http://obsdailyviews.blogspot.com/2015/02/what-should-we-make-of-carolina.html

Which is not to say the most recent developments mean Holder wasn't telling the truth when she said Hardy attacked her last year. Unfortunately, a jury may never get to make a final judgment on that. But it would be even sadder if people used what little information they have on this case as justification for casting a jaundiced eye on other women's domestic violence cases.
Experts tell us many women in such cases fail to cooperate, even when there is no wealthy football star on the other end of the accusation. Sometimes it's the pressure of being on the witness stand, having the most unpleasant, intimate details of your life dissected by strangers. Or it can be as simple as fearing for your life.
Regardless of what caused the Holder case to unravel, we should all at least try to reserve judgment, and refrain from snarky remarks. We don't have all the facts. What we do know is that 62 women
died in domestic violence-related homicides in North Carolina in 2013. And that is nothing to joke about.

2) Her attorney refused to tell the DAs where she was. We know NOW that she posted things on social media. When she posts things on FB its real time. She was in Vail, NY, and all over. The process servers out of state aren't going to find her on the same mountain where she took a pic. But that requires common sense. There is also the ability to not answer doors, and basically MAKE themselves unavailable. Also, there isn't one thing out there that has even discussed that they didn't make a proper effort

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/latest-news/article10422650.html#.VNjUqbDF-QM

That’s because the state’s key witness – Hardy’s former girlfriend Nicole Holder – told prosecutors months ago that she didn’t want to cooperate and has been avoiding the repeated efforts of the Mecklenburg County District Attorney’s Office to find her and compel her to testify.

Holder’s location remains a mystery. Murray said police staked out the addresses where she was believed to be living and requests to relatives to have her come forward. Her attorney, Daniel Zamora, had not cooperated, Murray said. Zamora did not return phone calls from the Observer on Monday.

Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/latest-news/article10422650.html#.VNjUqbDF-QM#storylink=cpy



Again, basic legal procedures and effort and yet the only place I see the conspiracies are from ignorant posters on a message board. I'll leave you to ripping her and deciding whether Murray had money to the governor of NC too.

 

[Miller]

Wow. tinfoilhary. I sure have been pimping Hardy's innocence in this thread. Quick. Someone hold me back from the keyboard. #gettingpeevedfornoreason

Not trying to make you angry, was just responding to your ridiculous post. Though the attorney name switch made me laugh.

 

[DallasEast]

Not trying to make you angry, was just responding to your ridiculous post. Though the attorney name switch made me laugh.

Angry? lol. Okay.

 

[JoeKing]

1) You sound like a woman hater. I don't care what she did, women don't deserve to be battered. You are an angry little guy with an agenda who has shown to be wrong page after page.

http://obsdailyviews.blogspot.com/2015/02/what-should-we-make-of-carolina.html




2) Her attorney refused to tell the DAs where she was. We know NOW that she posted things on social media. When she posts things on FB its real time. She was in Vail, NY, and all over. The process servers out of state aren't going to find her on the same mountain where she took a pic. But that requires common sense. There is also the ability to not answer doors, and basically MAKE themselves unavailable. Also, there isn't one thing out there that has even discussed that they didn't make a proper effort

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/latest-news/article10422650.html#.VNjUqbDF-QM







Read more here: http://www.charlotteobserver.com/latest-news/article10422650.html#.VNjUqbDF-QM#storylink=cpy



Again, basic legal procedures and effort and yet the only place I see the conspiracies are from ignorant posters on a message board. I'll leave you to ripping her and deciding whether Murray had money to the governor of NC too.

Do you realize you posted the same link 3 times and it doesn't answer the question I asked and you called dumb? Why is it so hard for you to answer a simple question? It's unfortunate you have an inaccurate opinion of me but it's par for the course considering what you think about Greg Hardy... the real victim.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Have to love our local cavaliers out to save Ms. Holder. Slaying dragons for Fair Esmeralda.

Nicole Holder was so battered that she fired her first lawyer for trying to get a restraining order. She then refused to cooperate with police to the point where they had to subpoena her to appear at the bench trial. Her lawyer after the bench trial said they were still investigating a civil suit -which indicated that they at that point had no agreement- and asked people to respect her privacy.

At that point any attorney with half a brain is going to advise obtaining a settlement to limit any potential civil liability. As has been pointed out this has nothing to do with the criminal proceedings. They could have subpoenaed her again just like they did the first time. The DA chose not to. The court system thought so much of his case that they expunged it.

If what Nicole Holder said was true about her being thrown on the futon and the threats and the toilet seat then it's still only simple assault. He did not batter her if that is the case. It's a minimal misdemeanor. This faux chivalry is laughable.

 

[Miller]

Angry? lol. Okay.

Wow. tinfoilhary. I sure have been pimping Hardy's innocence in this thread. Quick. Someone hold me back from the keyboard. #gettingpeevedfornoreason

Didn't say you were angry...my response was to the bold and I said "I wasn't trying to make you angry, just explaining point."

 

[Miller]

Do you realize you posted the same link 3 times and it doesn't answer the question I asked and you called dumb? Why is it so hard for you to answer a simple question? It's unfortunate you have an inaccurate opinion of me but it's par for the course considering what you think about Greg Hardy... the real victim.

UMMM..the newspapers automatically put there links under the quotes when I post them but again, you're a child I have to talk to. And I easily answered the question. Despite social media, that doesn't make the witness easy to find and they don't want to be found by a process server. The DA did its due diligence as showed in the other article. But you ignored all that to concentrate on....links? Pleas stop. Your family might have to disown you. You are embarrassing for a Cowboy fan.

BTW..people post on social media. And people saw them. Again, doesn't mean there isn't an effort. But considering you are one of 4 people on earth that thinks the DA, judges and the like are in on something vs people who actual practice law and know law, what am I supposed to say to a dolt who hates women.

 

[JoeKing]

UMMM..the newspapers automatically put there links under the quotes when I post them but again, you're a child I have to talk to. And I easily answered the question. Despite social media, that doesn't make the witness easy to find and they don't want to be found by a process server. The DA did its due diligence as showed in the other article. But you ignored all that to concentrate on....links? Pleas stop. Your family might have to disown you. You are embarrassing for a Cowboy fan.

BTW..people post on social media. And people saw them. Again, doesn't mean there isn't an effort. But considering you are one of 4 people on earth that thinks the DA, judges and the like are in on something vs people who actual practice law and know law, what am I supposed to say to a dolt who hates women.

Toots, you seem to have your panties in a wad, is it that time of the month? I really don't care. Maybe you could take a break from your ball busting schedule to make me a sandwich.

Since you're going to accuse me of being woman hater, you might as well hear what that would sounds like. Now, I've not taken that tone with you before so again you've got me pegged wrong.

Your personal attacks really aren't helping your argument. But if that's all you got, I understand why you felt that's where you had to go.

 

[Miller]

Have to love our local cavaliers out to save Ms. Holder. Slaying dragons for Fair Esmeralda.

Nicole Holder was so battered that she fired her first lawyer for trying to get a restraining order. She then refused to cooperate with police to the point where they had to subpoena her to appear at the bench trial. Her lawyer after the bench trial said they were still investigating a civil suit -which indicated that they at that point had no agreement- and asked people to respect her privacy.

At that point any attorney with half a brain is going to advise obtaining a settlement to limit any potential civil liability. As has been pointed out this has nothing to do with the criminal proceedings. They could have subpoenaed her again just like they did the first time. The DA chose not to. The court system thought so much of his case that they expunged it.

If what Nicole Holder said was true about her being thrown on the futon and the threats and the toilet seat then it's still only simple assault. He did not batter her if that is the case. It's a minimal misdemeanor. This faux chivalry is laughable.

Here is what is crazy about your post, many things you say are right on when it comes to the case. So I at least congratulate you on that....settlement, what attys advise, etc.

As for chivalry, it has nothing to do with it. It has to do with straight out, undeniable idiots on this board trying to play conspiracy and making up crap that is even worse than the story itself. I have practiced 20 years. Spent a year in the Grayson County DAs office. I saw everything from DWIs to DV to a case where I had to watch a little girl tell a social worker where her step-dad was touching her by pointing to a doll. It is eye-opening. I have many close friends who are lifers with either the Harris County or Montgomery County DAs office in Houston and the burbs. They put away the most heinous people. So yeah, I am going to be objective and look at a case for more than being black or white and I'm going to be peeved when some dime store idiots on the board act like their conspiracies are commonplace or even rational. The fact is they make the posters look plain stupid. WE don't know what happened. She could have been abused over time, she could have been beaten that night, she could have just been throw or she could have lied but we don't know. But to ignore victims because of their background is asinine. There are CEOs who get DWIs and who are busted with drugs. Her status in life and drug use doesn't mean crap when it comes to DV. As the article above stated

Experts tell us many women in such cases fail to cooperate, even when there is no wealthy football star on the other end of the accusation. Sometimes it's the pressure of being on the witness stand, having the most unpleasant, intimate details of your life dissected by strangers. Or it can be as simple as fearing for your life.Regardless of what caused the Holder case to unravel, we should all at least try to reserve judgment, and refrain from snarky remarks. We don't have all the facts. What we do know is that 62 women died in domestic violence-related homicides in North Carolina in 2013. And that is nothing to joke about.

It has nothing to do with sticking up for Holder but for trying to educate the irrational posters here who have been trashing the system and who know NOTHING about how this happens day after day to people.

 

[Miller]

Toots, you seem to have your panties in a wad, is it that time of the month? I really don't care. Maybe you could take a break from your ball busting schedule to make me a sandwich.

Since you're going to accuse me of being woman hater, you might as well hear what that would sounds like. Now, I've not taken that tone with you before so again you've got me pegged wrong.

Your personal attacks really aren't helping your argument. But if that's all you got, I understand why you felt that's where you had to go.

Read my last post to Fuzzy. No panties in a wad. I despise ignorance though and you are Exhibit A for the most uneducated people on this board. It's that simple. Despite being proven wrong for 20 pages your ability to find dumber things to say is astounding. I don't mind sticking up for my fellow lawyers regarding uneducated conspiracy truthers who have no common sense. I have 3 kids and seeing a presumed adult have less learning skills can be frustrating.

 

[casmith07]

Thread started April 1st so we are going strong for almost two weeks.

And! All these Holiday Inn Express lawyers in here...it's fun to read!

 

[casmith07]

@big dog cowboy seriously is this not a candidate for the NFL Zone? Surely you don't need these page hits, @Reality LOL.