News: DMN: Will McClay on his confidence in Cowboys' running back-by-committee approach

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My eyes tell me running helps our defense and our passing game, but I can't support that with evidence.

Here, let me see if I can help you: 12 and 4, NFC East Champs, 1st round playoff win, Romo's most efficient passing season.

We all saw what running the ball did for our team last season and it's strange that given the results, folks want to downplay the importance of our running game relative to our success.
 

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Stop what hype? Get a grip dude. There's no hype, not on my part anyway. Re-read the post of mine that you quoted as many times as you need to until you actually understand it.

Saying that my expectations are low, but that he has a chance to rejuvenate his career behind a good line and I hope he does well isn't hyping up anyone or anything.

Marshawn Lynch was nothing special in Buffalo. Now he's the man on a better team in Seattle. Our OL is way better than Seattle's. Who's to say DMC can't have a rebirth in Dallas - especially playing with the weapons we have? The ONLY question is health with him...just like DM29 before last year. And his overall talent is better than DM29's IMO.
 

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Marshawn Lynch was nothing special in Buffalo. Now he's the man on a better team in Seattle. Our OL is way better than Seattle's. Who's to say DMC can't have a rebirth in Dallas - especially playing with the weapons we have? The ONLY question is health with him...just like DM29 before last year. And his overall talent is better than DM29's IMO.

Agreed...but watch out bro, you might have one of the resident "realists" here jump on your back and demand you stop hyping Darren up...lol.
 

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Here, let me see if I can help you: 12 and 4, NFC East Champs, 1st round playoff win, Romo's most efficient passing season.

We all saw what running the ball did for our team last season and it's strange that given the results, folks want to downplay the importance of our running game relative to our success.

Funny, nobody was downplaying it when it was working during the season. It was all Go Cowboys! and nothing about how anyone could run behind the line.
 

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It also came with the best OLine he's ever had. I would like to see them run effectively and use it to keep balance. But I still think effective passing and defending the pass has the most correlation to winning. My eyes tell me running helps our defense and our passing game, but I can't support that with evidence. I just think people have gone overboard about the importance of running the ball after our overall success last year.

I am not real good with slide rules and abacuses, but my primitive statistical analysis shows that with roughly 100 fewer attempts last year, Romo was still sacked 6.3% of his dropbacks, the highest it has been since 2011.

Without the running game taking away attempts and developing at least some respect to keep the opposition from teeing off, it could have been even higher.
 

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Funny, nobody was downplaying it when it was working during the season. It was all Go Cowboys! and nothing about how anyone could run behind the line.

The only ones downplaying it are Cowboy fans. Everybody else knows the running game was responsible for our success last year. Murray was a good RB, good blocker and also caught passes from Romo. He was also a team leader. We'll see if Randle can do as well.
 

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This is revisionist history.

No, it is actually happening still, right now. There are still people denying Murray had much to do with gaining 1800 yards and how he left yards on the field. There are still people denying the proven mediocre track record of McFadden in Oakland and think because of this line he will realize his potential. There are still people believing that our unreliable three backs on the roster can combine magically to come close to the production.
 

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No, it is actually happening still, right now. There are still people denying Murray had much to do with gaining 1800 yards and how he left yards on the field. There are still people denying the proven mediocre track record of McFadden in Oakland and think because of this line he will realize his potential. There are still people believing that our unreliable three backs on the roster can combine magically to come close to the production.

Do you think DM29 gets anywhere near 1,800 yards if he were with the Raiders last year? I don't. Our beastly OL is a major reason why he had a career year. DM29 even lead the NFL in yards before contact. That's not on him - that's our OL, who will only get better even with more experience together.

DMC is just as big, faster, has better hands, and based on the fact that DM29 did "leave meat on the bone," I'd argue DMC has better vision too. The Raiders are the worst team anybody could have played for. They once made 1st ballot HOF Randy Moss look mediocre at best. So of course DMC got beat up. He also had a sorry supporting cast. Now DMC is playing behind the best OL in the game with a QB, WRs, and a TE that are all infinitely better than he's had in his career (I dare teams to put the same 8 in the box to stop him now). Like I said, my only worry is his health (our OL helped DM29 overcome that concern too - given he had a history of getting hurt too before last year).

McClay believes in him. So much so much that he convinced our FO to go get him. Clearly they believe he still has the talent that made him a top 10 draft pick. So do I.
 

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Do you think DM29 gets anywhere near 1,800 yards if he were with the Raiders last year? I don't. Our beastly OL is a major reason why he had a career year. DM29 even lead the NFL in yards before contact. That's not on him - that's our OL, who will only get better even with more experience together.

Of course the OL is good, very good in fact. But again, Murray doesn't get practically any credit. Why? Because it takes the sting away from not signing him back. Now you see the reverse, evaluating three unreliable players to the same standard, thinking the line was mostly responsible.

DMC is just as big, faster
Irrelevant. Speed is not nearly as important as vision, power and consistency if you are going to have a running game establish the tempo.

I'd argue DMC has better vision too.

Based on what? All there is to evaluate him off of is what was in Oakland. And again, inverse, not his fault, bad OL. The logic being applied based on real life evidence and not hopeful conjecture is simply not there.

McClay believes in him. So much so much that he convinced our FO to go get him. Clearly they believes the talent that made him a top 10 draft pick is still there. So do I.

No evidence of this either. I have yet to see a single distinct quote suggests McClay is any more responsible than Jerry Jones for the acquisition. If you can produce one, I would love to see it.[/quote]
 

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There are still people denying Murray had much to do with gaining 1800 yards and how he left yards on the field. There are still people denying the proven mediocre track record of McFadden in Oakland and think because of this line he will realize his potential. There are still people believing that our unreliable three backs on the roster can combine magically to come close to the production.
Are you talking about people in here or the Cowboys front office?
 

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First, that isn't true. There are many, many other statistics with higher win correlations.

Second, you're confusing cause with effect. Teams that are winning run a lot in the 4th quarter, so you get correlation without causation. If more running really led to wins, all 32 teams would simply run more.

I haven't seen a stat that you provided that is better than 80%. I know you've posted some things before and forgive me for not wanting to search for them. Could you please give me your top ones again?

And you are right about causation. That's the thing about football, its all intertwined. Teams do try to run. The really good teams do it well enough that they can continue to run the ball throughout the game. And yes, teams do run the ball more when they are winning. It helps drain the clock. But even that is situational. Just because you are up 3 points doesn't mean you just now automatically run the ball.

Running more or passing more is something that can be controlled.

If you can run efficiently through the course of a game, then it is less risky than passing. That is the objective. But if a team runs 10 plays in a row and does so efficiently, then the defense will undoubtedly adjust. Most, if not all, defenses can shut down an aspect of the game. If they put all 11 guys at the line of scrimmage, they will stop the run. But doing that opens up the passing game.

It really is about balance. Run enough and efficiently enough to put the offense in favorable match ups when they do pass. Thereby reducing the risk of passing.

Troy Aikman and the early 90s Cowboys are the perfect example of this. Our own Cowboys of last year are a perfect example of this.

Aikman never really put up huge numbers passing. He could have, but why? They used the running game to break teams down, then used the passing game to keep them honest.
 

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Dallas attempts (plays) on
3rd and...

short (1-2) 44 7th
medium (3-6) 71 9th
long (7-9) 37 23rd
very long (10+) 49 31st

As you would expect of one of the league's best offenses, the 3rd-down plays at short-to medium distance (115) outnumber the ones at long-to very long distance (86). But those 201 3rd down plays include both the successful plays and the failed ones. If you're trying to figure out where most of Dallas 3rd down success came from, then you're only interested in the conversions.

3rd Down Conversions on passing downs (3rd and 3+)
as a percentage of total 3rd-down conversions

Dallas 71 of 106 67.0%
NFL avg. 63.1 of 99.7 63.3%

Most teams relied more heavily on 3rd-and-short situations for their conversions than Dallas did in 2014. That's why 15 other teams averaged fewer yards to go on the 3rd downs they converted. In case anyone is interested, of the Cowboys' 71 conversions on 3rd and 3+ yards to go, 67 were passes, 3 were QB scrambles, and 1 was a RB run.

Very interesting that with 3+ yards to go that they only ran it 1 time. I would have guessed that they ran it more with 1-3 yards.
 
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