Do coaches deserve credit for Dak?

[boysfanindc]

I think they spent more time with Dak then any other QB in this years draft, Wade went and visited him multiple times besides all the other meetings.

They obviously liked him.

 

[Idgit]

I think they spent more time with Dak then any other QB in this years draft, Wade went and visited him multiple times besides all the other meetings.

They obviously liked him.

Dak himself had a lot of nice things to say about the support from his staff yesterday.

It's amazing to me that people can blame the coaches for some players *not* developing, *not* credit the coaches for other players developing, and not recognize how fundamentally silly that is as a way of deciding who's probably responsible for what and how obviously is has to bias whatever conclusions they come to regarding what does or doesn't work in this organization. It's fundamentally irrational.

As far as them having other QBs rated higher than Dak and that being some sort of drafting negative, excuse me, what? We're the only team in the league that drafted the guy. That means nobody valued him as highly as we did or, if they did, they went against their estimation and reached for another player for need. The fact that we didn't take him sooner, sure, it means we didn't realize how good he was going to be this quickly, but it's not an argument *against* the team's draft board. That's another one of those 'the team can't win' scenarios that ought to be recognizable as faulty logic right from the get-go.

 

[DenCWBY]

how about credit to nobody??

to me it's looking like our stumbling onto Dak is pure, dumb luck. And there's nothing wrong with that.. we are due some good luck for a change (and a ton more imo)

What I heard was during the draft when Jerry was calling in the 4th pick to the NFL league official, Jerry muttered, "We like Myles Jack a lot", not realizing Myles was already been picked in the second round. The official thought Jerry said "We like Dak Prescott" and the rest is history.

 

[Setackin]

The fact that we liked other quarterbacks ahead of Dak has more to do with the scouts than the coaches. I really do believe there are a ton of people that are involved in the decision process so no reason to blame the coaches for not taking him higher.

If anything, I credit Linehan---I think he pushes for Dak more than anyone. I remember when Dak was drafted, Linehan got on the phone with him saying "we had a feeling this was going to happen" or something like that.

So did 80% of the CZ when we found out they tried to trade up for Lynch.

Ur definitely right about the scouts and coaches both being involved with the decision making but that doesn't mean the coaches should be getting all the credit for developing him. It's been one off-season, if it's that easy for the coaching staff to develop a 4th round QB into a quality young QB, then it would have happened before Dak.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

We love to blast coaches at any opportunity but are we slow to give them credit? What we are seeing from Dak is unusual. Hearing Jimmy Johnson talk about how rare it is to see rookie QB process all of this so quickly really hit home for me. When I see Romo on sidelines, I don't see him near Dak. I believe Dallas is correctly simplifying this and only letting Linehan in his ear. I really don't see how much Wade could have worked with Dak in such short time period. So are we just seeing Dallas striking oil here or is Linehan pulling off one of his best coaching assignments?

if we rip them, then we have to credit them too

 

[Nightman]

Dak himself had a lot of nice things to say about the support from his staff yesterday.

It's amazing to me that people can blame the coaches for some players *not* developing, *not* credit the coaches for other players developing, and not recognize how fundamentally silly that is as a way of deciding who's probably responsible for what and how obviously is has to bias whatever conclusions they come to regarding what does or doesn't work in this organization. It's fundamentally irrational.

As far as them having other QBs rated higher than Dak and that being some sort of drafting negative, excuse me, what? We're the only team in the league that drafted the guy. That means nobody valued him as highly as we did or, if they did, they went against their estimation and reached for another player for need. The fact that we didn't take him sooner, sure, it means we didn't realize how good he was going to be this quickly, but it's not an argument *against* the team's draft board. That's another one of those 'the team can't win' scenarios that ought to be recognizable as faulty logic right from the get-go.

You are right, getting the right guys is more important than the order........I think if we had gone Dak, EE, Collins, JSmith, Tapper, Brown, DJackson fans might call it the draft of the decade.....JJones and SJones gamble a lot and it looks like we won big on Dak.....if we get anything from JSmith this team is loaded.......a little good luck with solid preparation could really pay off

 

[Vinnie2u]

To steal another posters saying. I'm going to make Dak the 1st rounder and Zeke the comp 4th. And stop complaining about taking a RB in the 1st.. Hurt LB in the 2nd. I still can't spin that one. .

 

[TRUTH87]

You are right, getting the right guys is more important than the order........I think if we had gone Dak, EE, Collins, JSmith, Tapper, Brown, DJackson fans might call it the draft of the decade.....JJones and SJones gamble a lot and it looks like we won big on Dak.....if we get anything from JSmith this team is loaded.......a little good luck with solid preparation could really pay off

im excited. our oline is nice. dak continues to improve + zeke. jaylon comes back healthy next season + FA defensive help + defensive draft. this team looks young and good for the future.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Do coaches deserve credit for Dak?

Clearly the answer is yes.

How much? I'm not touching that one.

 

[Jake]

It seems a bit disingenuous to blame the coaches when things go wrong then give them no credit when things go right.

 

[boysfanindc]

Dak himself had a lot of nice things to say about the support from his staff yesterday.

It's amazing to me that people can blame the coaches for some players *not* developing, *not* credit the coaches for other players developing, and not recognize how fundamentally silly that is as a way of deciding who's probably responsible for what and how obviously is has to bias whatever conclusions they come to regarding what does or doesn't work in this organization. It's fundamentally irrational.

As far as them having other QBs rated higher than Dak and that being some sort of drafting negative, excuse me, what? We're the only team in the league that drafted the guy. That means nobody valued him as highly as we did or, if they did, they went against their estimation and reached for another player for need. The fact that we didn't take him sooner, sure, it means we didn't realize how good he was going to be this quickly, but it's not an argument *against* the team's draft board. That's another one of those 'the team can't win' scenarios that ought to be recognizable as faulty logic right from the get-go.

I agree wholeheartedly, I do remember Jerry lamenting he did not get where he is today by playing it safe the next day when they could not move up to get Lynch. But I think that was Jerry being Jerry, someone obviously talked him out of giving up what they would have had to give up.

Another crazy thought, what if they had a feel that Dak was going to drop to late 4th/5th and hence felt no need to take him earlier because they felt he would be there.

What I do know is they liked him based on how much time they spent with him, as it it was a lot. You don't spend that much time with a guy unless you are trying to get comfortable with taking him.

I think they would have rather had one of the higher guys, but someone within the organization had enough sense to say it was too much to give up, especially when there is this guy named Dak who we like. Let's address some D (Smith, Collins & Tapper) and get a guy we like later.

Is this the way it happened, not sure, but there is enough tea leaves there to say it could have been.

 

[Risen Star]

I'm not comfortable talking about this.

 

[Nightman]

To steal another posters saying. I'm going to make Dak the 1st rounder and Zeke the comp 4th. And stop complaining about taking a RB in the 1st.. Hurt LB in the 2nd. I still can't spin that one. .

Redshirt year...he would be a Top 10 pick next year.......so they traded 34 this year for 10 next year....best I can do

 

[Vinnie2u]

Redshirt year...he would be a Top 10 pick next year.......so they traded 34 this year for 10 next year....best I can do

Ok I'll buy what u selling.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Mel Kiper doesn't work for any of the 32 teams.

So, where are the links that showed 32 had Dak around the 5th round? (fact not just your opinion)

 

[Alexander]

Clearly the answer is yes.

How much? I'm not touching that one.

How I feel as well.

Wade Wilson could have given him investing advice.

It appears to have worked.

 

[Sportsbabe]

We love to blast coaches at any opportunity but are we slow to give them credit? What we are seeing from Dak is unusual. Hearing Jimmy Johnson talk about how rare it is to see rookie QB process all of this so quickly really hit home for me. When I see Romo on sidelines, I don't see him near Dak. I believe Dallas is correctly simplifying this and only letting Linehan in his ear. I really don't see how much Wade could have worked with Dak in such short time period. So are we just seeing Dallas striking oil here or is Linehan pulling off one of his best coaching assignments?

Absolutely.

 

[Sportsbabe]

In my opinion, people are pretty silly about how they think coaching works, anyways. Fans tend to think it's motivation and pushing buttons that gets teams to play better. I think the reality is that a staff is responsible for the overall scheme and for communicating to the scouting departments what they want in terms of player skills. From there, most of the time coaches spend with the players is in installing the system, teaching the concepts, working on the fundamentals, working on health, conditioning, assembling the right players for the various personnel packages they want to play, and backing those players up. Then in putting together the game plans diagnosing tendencies on film, and then putting in wrinkles they think are going to work.

The actual work on game day of calling plays and motivating players is a lot less significant than what they do the other 97-98% of the time. And even then, it's usually the product of joint decision making across the whole unit staff and not just one person, anyway.

So, as far as young players like Dak or Zeke go, of course the staff gets some credit for creating an environment where those players can learn as quickly as they have learned. I don't know how unique it is relative to other teams in the league. I do know Dallas is pretty stable and pretty organized relative to a lot of teams right now. And I know we've got a ton of QB experience on the staff and with Tony for a young guy to lean on. It's pretty much the perfect place for a guy like Dak to land.

As far as credit goes, it's always the players that play and the teams that assemble the best players that tend to win most of the game. That goes for Dak, too. Just like it went for Stephen McGee or Dustin Vaughan before him. Just because you're not a good player, it doesn't mean you don't have good coaching. But I think it's rare that you see good players who don't have good coaching, too. The rate at which Dak has improved from the draft until now, I think it's pretty obvious that he's had the benefit of some really good instruction.

Excellent post. Its beyond comprehension that this has to be explained to soooo many football fanatics.

 

[gimmesix]

We love to blast coaches at any opportunity but are we slow to give them credit? What we are seeing from Dak is unusual. Hearing Jimmy Johnson talk about how rare it is to see rookie QB process all of this so quickly really hit home for me. When I see Romo on sidelines, I don't see him near Dak. I believe Dallas is correctly simplifying this and only letting Linehan in his ear. I really don't see how much Wade could have worked with Dak in such short time period. So are we just seeing Dallas striking oil here or is Linehan pulling off one of his best coaching assignments?

I think coaches don't deserve much credit or blame for players' ability, unless the players give it to them like Romo did with David Lee.

It's like fans being mad at Marinelli for the play of the defensive line when the front office and Garrett have given him little to work with.

The coaches certainly guide players on what they need to work on, such as footwork with Prescott, but they can't make an untalented player talented. Prescott is succeeding because he has a good arm, good awareness and good poise. There are quarterbacks who've been in the league for years who still don't have those things no matter who's been their coaches.

 

[Sportsbabe]

Dak himself had a lot of nice things to say about the support from his staff yesterday.

It's amazing to me that people can blame the coaches for some players *not* developing, *not* credit the coaches for other players developing, and not recognize how fundamentally silly that is as a way of deciding who's probably responsible for what and how obviously is has to bias whatever conclusions they come to regarding what does or doesn't work in this organization. It's fundamentally irrational.

As far as them having other QBs rated higher than Dak and that being some sort of drafting negative, excuse me, what? We're the only team in the league that drafted the guy. That means nobody valued him as highly as we did or, if they did, they went against their estimation and reached for another player for need. The fact that we didn't take him sooner, sure, it means we didn't realize how good he was going to be this quickly, but it's not an argument *against* the team's draft board. That's another one of those 'the team can't win' scenarios that ought to be recognizable as faulty logic right from the get-go.

....and how smart he is. Who knew?.?.