Do coaches deserve credit for Dak?

[pansophy]

They deserve credit for putting him in a position to be successful and asking him to do things that he can already do well. He is in the shotgun a lot and he in the WAS game he didn't throw a ball over 20 yards. They are rolling him out and giving him some chances to run.

 

[Dhragon]

So, where are the links that showed 32 had Dak around the 5th round? (fact not just your opinion)

Why would you need a link from him?

The fact is nobody selected him before we did, and we selected him near the end of the 4th. That would be near the 5th round, right? Seems like a fact to me.

 

[Idgit]

I agree wholeheartedly, I do remember Jerry lamenting he did not get where he is today by playing it safe the next day when they could not move up to get Lynch. But I think that was Jerry being Jerry, someone obviously talked him out of giving up what they would have had to give up.

Another crazy thought, what if they had a feel that Dak was going to drop to late 4th/5th and hence felt no need to take him earlier because they felt he would be there.

What I do know is they liked him based on how much time they spent with him, as it it was a lot. You don't spend that much time with a guy unless you are trying to get comfortable with taking him.

I think they would have rather had one of the higher guys, but someone within the organization had enough sense to say it was too much to give up, especially when there is this guy named Dak who we like. Let's address some D (Smith, Collins & Tapper) and get a guy we like later.

Is this the way it happened, not sure, but there is enough tea leaves there to say it could have been.

My guess is they had a lower rating on Dak than they did some other guys because it was easy to see from his college film that he had a lot of work to do to get where they might be able to use him as a QB. If Wentz or Lynch or Cook were closer and might legitimately be trusted to be a QB2 this year, that made a lot more sense at that point and was worth a premium.

What they didn't expect was how much Dak would work to learn to take the snaps from under center and how quickly he could address some of his mechanical problems. It also sounds like they underestimated just how heavily they should have weighed his leadership qualities. Not that leadership qualities would matter a jot right now if he didn't improve his accuracy and fundamentals to the point where the could actually be effective in NFL games.

It's moot, now. The dude has the basics down. He's working on the rest quickly, and his aptitude for the position is off the charts. We stole a starting QB at the bottom of the 4th round. Pretty great.

 

[Nightman]

Mel Kiper had Dak as a 2nd rounder.

Mel also had him ranked a lot lower in his final Big Board, 113th behind Brandon Allen

 

[viman96]

The coaches and Dak deserve credit. It is silly to say neither deserve it.

 

[Idgit]

You are right, getting the right guys is more important than the order........I think if we had gone Dak, EE, Collins, JSmith, Tapper, Brown, DJackson fans might call it the draft of the decade.....JJones and SJones gamble a lot and it looks like we won big on Dak.....if we get anything from JSmith this team is loaded.......a little good luck with solid preparation could really pay off

That's a simpler way of putting it than my post. Yeah, if Smith hits and Elliott develops like we all expect, this is an organization-building draft this year. And to think I didn't like it at all when it happened.

You never know with these things on draft day, man. No matter what the projections suggest. A little thing like nailing the QB makes all the difference.

 

[boysfanindc]

That's a simpler way of putting it than my post. Yeah, if Smith hits and Elliott develops like we all expect, this is an organization-building draft this year. And to think I didn't like it at all when it happened.

You never know with these things on draft day, man. No matter what the projections suggest. A little thing like nailing the QB makes all the difference.

Unbelievable actually, I thought for sure I was going to have to suffer through QB's like Carter, Wright, Leaf, Stoerner, Hutchinson, Vinny & Bledsoe like we did after Aikman.

The next decade suddenly looks brighter.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

Why would you need a link from him?

The fact is nobody selected him before we did, and we selected him near the end of the 4th. That would be near the 5th round, right? Seems like a fact to me.

Well, giving a fact saying all 32 teams had him around the 5th round, I want to see where he got that info. Not just his opinion of where he thought teams had Dak ranked.

 

[Bleu Star]

I'm no expert. Our QB coach, Wade Wilson, had chances to show what could be done with several backup QB's. So, my instinct is to say that what Dak has is something he had all along. The coaching staff does deserve credit in using his abilities, yes, but his success is largely innate in my opinion.

I tend to agree with you 100% on this one. Logically, history says our coaches have just been standing by in awe and letting Dak be Dak.

 

[StarMan2112]

We got lucky. Even a blind squirrel finds and acorn every now and then.

 

[theogt]

Not really. He looks pretty much just like he did last year in college. I'm flabbergasted teams let him go by them, taking clearly lesser talent ahead of him.

 

[Beast_from_East]

Sure, I give the coaches credit for helping to develop Dak.

What I do find ironic (and I am not going to mention any names) are the posters who claim Garrett and the staff are totally blameless in developing any other QBs from Stephen McGee to Dustin Vaughn because they suck and no amount of coaching would help them. Then in the next breath they say Garrett and company should be given props for developing Dak.

If you are not going to give Garrett and the coaches any blame for all the other Qbs they have failed to develop, don't then make statements of how great the coaches are developing Dak. That is called cherry picking.

The bottom line is that Garrett and company deserve blame for not developing any QBs previously, but at the same time they do deserve praise for how well Dak is playing right now. These are not mutually exclusive events, both can be true at the same time.

 

[waving monkey]

Where are franchise quarterbacks found in the draft?
Where are franchise quarterbacks found? If a NFL team thinks they have the answer, they're wrong. That's a question that the entire NFL can't answer, because no team knows. If you want to know what is a "franchise" quarterback, that's an easier question. If you're the Chicago Bears, apparently it's Jay Cutler and his seven-year, $126M contract. If you're the Falcons, It's Matt Ryan and his $23.75M cap hit the next several seasons. Many NFL teams have paid good but not great QBs to be their franchise quarterback, and I'm looking right at the Lions, Ravens, Chiefs and 49

link/http://www.outkickthecoverage.com/story/where-are-franchise-quarterbacks-found-in-the-draft-042716

 

[TrailBlazer]

To be fair, absolutely they deserve credit.

 

[Wishbone82]

They have altered their offense to fit Dak's strengths, so I will definitely give them the credit that they deserve. Those bootlegs are a thing of beauty. The one thing he really needs now are those lovely screens that we saw in the preseason.

 

[conner01]

I'm no expert. Our QB coach, Wade Wilson, had chances to show what could be done with several backup QB's. So, my instinct is to say that what Dak has is something he had all along. The coaching staff does deserve credit in using his abilities, yes, but his success is largely innate in my opinion.

What decent prospect has wade had here?
How many of those qb's have went anywhere else and did anything

 

[YosemiteSam]

We love to blast coaches at any opportunity but are we slow to give them credit? What we are seeing from Dak is unusual. Hearing Jimmy Johnson talk about how rare it is to see rookie QB process all of this so quickly really hit home for me. When I see Romo on sidelines, I don't see him near Dak. I believe Dallas is correctly simplifying this and only letting Linehan in his ear. I really don't see how much Wade could have worked with Dak in such short time period. So are we just seeing Dallas striking oil here or is Linehan pulling off one of his best coaching assignments?

No, only I deserve credit. God **** attention ******.

 

[gmoney112]

Coaches? I'm not even sure coaches have a big say around here, in the end, it is Jerry's call.

Whoever it is, sure. They probably met with him the most, I know he was the most visited draft pick, seems like every week they were meeting with him. So kudos to them for seeing it.

Now if only we used that same approach on our 2ND rounders!

 

[Tommy]

how about credit to nobody??

to me it's looking like our stumbling onto Dak is pure, dumb luck. And there's nothing wrong with that.. we are due some good luck for a change (and a ton more imo)

Never mind the fact that they scouted him, liked what they saw and decided to draft him at a higher value than anybody else had on him.

Let's just say it was a complete and total accident.

 

[pugilist]

Never mind the fact that they scouted him, liked what they saw and decided to draft him at a higher value than anybody else had on him.

Let's just say it was a complete and total accident.

please... if they liked him so much they would've drafted him higher