Do More Than Just Gripe

[CCBoy]

That is the greatest post on this forum...ever.

lol, Phoenix cleared security to be on a nucleur sub....:starspin

 

[CCBoy]

Someone has been passing something around your burn barrel and I don't think it's 'nuh uh'.

Well then, you ought to clear up that set of foolishness...just step right on up to the plate and explain!

As to a burn barrel association, I'm from South Texas and there never was a burn barrel down here, except to get rid of waste...

 

[casmith07]

You want the impossible. You're a good guy, but you want Roseanne to look good in a bikini. It ain't happening.

 

[popp1234]

Well then, you ought to clear up that set of foolishness...just step right on up to the plate and explain!

As to a burn barrel association, I'm from South Texas and there never was a burn barrel down here, except to get rid of waste...

You ever heard of Crockett? If so, then you know I know what a "burn barrel" is as it relates to us. My sister use to pollute the whole darn countryside with her trash burning. :laugh2:

 

[Proximo]

Evidently the message is not sinking in.

The very same people who have assured throughout the last umpteen years that this team is coming together still maintain they don't like nor understand the negativity.

Yet, these very same people don't think their position on Campo was negative.

So either I agree with you or I am negative. Great logic.

That makes this rebuttal post pointless, but I have OCD when it comes to mindless things such as this.

2259 words. If you posted it on smashwords.com and put a snazzy cover to it, you could hawk this for .99 a copy.

2259 words.

The point is this.

No more words.

Feel good commentary that goes on year after year only to be forgotten by the original commentators becomes the same thing from one regime to the next. You could virtually copy the same threads from 2009 and drop them here and merely change a few names and they say the same things.

No more words.

Show me.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a disciplined team.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me less penalties that stop drives.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a defense that can stop the other team late in games.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a coaching staff that doesn't hoist themselves on their own petard by making boneheaded decisions.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a head coach that can manage a clock late in a half or in a game.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a special teams that can move the ball when we receive it and stop the ball when they do.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me wins in December.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me wins in January.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me play off wins.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a seed in the NFC Championship game where win one and we have a shot at it all.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a quarterback that doesn't get rattled, or tries to do too much, but just drives that bus, baby.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a GM that makes wise moves then steps out of the way and the limelight to allow his coaches to do what they were hired to do.

Don't tell me. Show me.

The time for telling me after fourteen years of telling me and the results have been unsatisfactory have ended.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Too many times I have read the tell me why you don't see it my way.

Then a 19 page thread ensues where the people asking me to list my points try and deny each while assaulting me with insults.

Been there, and listed every issue I have with Jerry.

It is no longer about posts with 2259 words telling me why someone else thinks this is greatness.

I've seen that post in so many forms on this board from so many posters I have lost count.

It is not a dog chasing his tail.

It is simply a life long fan not listening to the huckster that owns and runs the team. Or the fans who each year sit at the poker table owned by the huckster and see the crappy cards they are dealt and are holding out for that one card that wins.

It is simply show me.

I bought the magazines, tickets, t-shirts, seats, parking passes, preseason game tickets, cable to see them play, products, read the newspapers, web blogs, internet sites and fanboy comments. Spent almost my entire life loving this team.

Been one since day one!

I have one thing I want. That is to win.

No more rhetoric, no more rancor, no more assurances, no more hopes and no more change.

Show me, because from here on out my mantra is simple.

No More Words...Just Show Me

Cool. No more words. So why are you here again? This is a message board. Odd place for someone who wants "No more words" to be hanging around at. I'm guessing from here on out you'll just sit and stew over the lack of success during the last x amount of years, and wait for the team to show you if they really are any good. After all, there's not much to talk about since you don't want words.

 

[popp1234]

Cool. No more words. So why are you here again? This is a message board. Odd place for someone who wants "No more words" to be hanging around at. I'm guessing from here on out you'll just sit and stew over the lack of success during the last x amount of years, and wait for the team to show you if they really are any good. After all, there's not much to talk about since you don't want words.

What I gathered from his post was that words only go so far, it's time for action. We hear talk every season. Words (talk) have never won anything, and I agree.

 

[a_minimalist]

I agree with the OP's sentiments in some arenas of life, just not this one.

If we were members of a professional organization - colleagues in the employ of Jerry Jones, let's say - then I'm certainly on board with you. It's incumbent upon anyone in that position in a well-structured organization to provide more than empty criticisms, lobbed insults and the like. In that context, providing alternatives and solutions is the bread and butter of how you improve and become a better organization.

The reason why I don't think a lot of your post makes sense is that the objectives of a message board and those of a professional organization or staff are completely different. As fans, we have practically no ability to effect change, to influence performance or decisions, etc. The idea that we ought to be solutions-focused is derivative of the more critical goal of increasing performance, and given our impotence in that arena, doesn't really make sense to me.

So what are we on a message board to do? Here's my opinion:

- Identify facts that like-minded fans might enjoy
- State opinions that we would like to debate with like-minded and oppositionally-minded fans
- Establish comaraderie with other fans, whether it be of the bandwagoning or misery-loving-company variety

I don't really feel like a "solutions" orientation has any relevance to those three things.

Where I think there's a gray area that starts to get into what you're talking about concerns the second bullet, where we debate opinions. While I disagree that "solutions" are any sort of litmus test for whether a debate in this context is legitimate, I think part of your point is that the empirical requirements some people put on "winning" a debate are silly. It's very easy for a negative person to revert to a "just win games" measure for success, just as its easy for a very positive person to say, "We won the games, so all that other stuff doesn't matter."

The problem with your philosophy (just my opinion) is that it is inherently imbalanced. You are ONLY requiring something extra from people who have a negative opinion. But as long as those people are providing legitimate support for their opinion, whether actual evidence, strong logical arguments or otherwise, I don't see why a "solution" has to enter into it.

I don't know about you but off of the forum I surround myself with people who maintain an objective viewpoint about things. Most friends also don't complain about things because that doesn't solve anything. If you don't like the way something is being done, do something about it. Constantly complaining about it isn't good for you, your health, or the people around you. If all you do is complain without thinking how to change it, you're wasting your own time and the time of the people around you. You're living in the negative. If the complainer thinks of a solution it puts a positive spin on the problem and allows for a much more productive conversation. It's in everyones best interest to take his advice, but if they don't there's always the ignore function which is pretty nice.

Also, if you can find solutions to the silly things you can't change, it's keeps you sharp so you can find solutions to the big things you can. What Hostile is saying is very good life advice and advice for the forum. It would be a much wiser/smarter forum for it.

 

[Proximo]

What I gathered from his post was that words only go so far, it's time for action. We hear talk every season. Words (talk) have never won anything, and I agree.

Yes, words do indeed only go so far. But what he did with his post was simply put himself in a position to enter any discussion or conversation in regards to the current team's progress and basically say "I don't want to hear it, I want to see it". Everyone knows words don't win championships. If a person's mantra is "No More Words...Just Show Me", then there's not much room for the type of discussion the guy that started the thread was referring to.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

Interesting about face from one post to the next.

Thank you.

The first post was a joke.. sarcasm. Sorry.

 

[CCBoy]

You ever heard of Crockett? If so, then you know I know what a "burn barrel" is as it relates to us. My sister use to pollute the whole darn countryside with her trash burning. :laugh2:

For sure, I have heard of Crockett, as well as Davie...but as dry as things are now, our type of burn barrel is dangerous and a hazard.

But for a comparative value, at our burn barrel, no one gathers to consume Ripple and exchange less than polite talk.

'Oh give me a home, where the buffalo roam, and the deer and the antelope play...where seldome is heard, a discouraging word, and the skies are not cloudy all day.'

I still honk friendly around here...but can carry a real discussion away from personalities involved, LOL.

 

[5Stars]

For sure, I have heard of Crockett, as well as Davie...but as dry as things are now, our type of burn barrel is dangerous and a hazard.

But for a comparative value, at our burn barrel, no one gathers to consume Ripple and exchange less than polite talk.

'Oh give me a home, where the buffalo roam, and the deer and the antelope play...where seldome is heard, a discouraging word, and the skies are not cloudy all day.'

I still honk friendly around here...but can carry a real discussion away from personalities involved, LOL.

:laugh2:

Only when you are off the Ripple, right?

 

[popp1234]

I don't know about you but off of the forum I surround myself with people who maintain an objective viewpoint about things. Most friends also don't complain about things because that doesn't solve anything. If you don't like the way something is being done, do something about it. Constantly complaining about it isn't good for you, your health, or the people around you. If all you do is complain without thinking how to change it, you're wasting your own time and the time of the people around you. You're living in the negative. If the complainer thinks of a solution it puts a positive spin on the problem and allows for a much more productive conversation. It's in everyones best interest to take his advice, but if they don't there's always the ignore function which is pretty nice.

Also, if you can find solutions to the silly things you can't change, it's keeps you sharp so you can find solutions to the big things you can. What Hostile is saying is very good life advice and advice for the forum. It would be a much wiser/smarter forum for it.

Well, this is a "sports forum", but since we are going down that rat hole of applying it to real life. I submit that not EVERYONE thinks like Hos. Not everyone thinks like you, me, and all the other Cowboys fans out there.

What I am saying is that fans look at the Cowboys through their own eyes, not someone else's eyes. Personality plays a role in that, IMHO.

Respectfully, your statement I quoted above further illustrate my stated points.

Again, with all due respect, I hope you will forgive me for not accepting Hos's "life advice". Although positive thinking can serve all of us better in life, I dont label a person that calls it like they see it "negative"...... in real life or sports.

 

[5Stars]

Well, this is a "sports forum", but since we are going down that rat hole of applying it to real life. I submit that not EVERYONE thinks like Hos. Not everyone thinks like you, me, and all the other Cowboys fans out there.

What I am saying is that fans look at the Cowboys through their own eyes, not someone else's eyes. Personality plays a role in that, IMHO.

Respectfully, your statement I quoted above further illustrate my stated points.

Again, with all due respect, I hope you will forgive me for not accepting Hos's "life advice".

So, you're saying that we are all stupid cowboy fans?

 

[popp1234]

So, you're saying that we are all stupid cowboy fans?

:laugh2:

 

[Hostile]

Stay out of the O-line post then, bunch of babies there.

:laugh2:

I appreciate the advice PMF.

 

[CCBoy]

:laugh2:

Oh sure, ask Randy Travis what he thinks about Country Music now...

 

[CCBoy]

:laugh2:

Only when you are off the Ripple, right?

Listening up, everyone seems to be in withdrawal from something...

 

[Hostile]

Cool. No more words. So why are you here again? This is a message board. Odd place for someone who wants "No more words" to be hanging around at. I'm guessing from here on out you'll just sit and stew over the lack of success during the last x amount of years, and wait for the team to show you if they really are any good. After all, there's not much to talk about since you don't want words.

I won't read his posts when others quote them. He hates me, that is his only point. Anyone can discuss this team but me. That is what he means by no more words. He just wants me to shut up.

You, on the other hand, can say all you want and if you had posted this thread, word for word, he couldn't have had anywhere near the issue with it.

Just wanted to give you some context.

 

[Zordon]

israel/palestine has nothing on hostile/two deep.

 

[Red Dragon]

The season after Romo retires, fans will see how mediocre the Cowboys' new replacement QB is in comparison and suddenly wish they had Romo back.