Do More Than Just Gripe

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iceberg;4654794 said:
and people who only do that chase away the people who want to talk football.

Gripers and apologists both make it hard to talk football objectively.

Everything is not wrong with the Cowboys, but there are things that are.

and then it just isn't worth the time anymore.

This is what I find way more often than not anymore.

This board has changed so much. It is not as interesting, .. and a lot more foolishness.
 

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I'm in the "No more words, just show me" camp. But right now, I don't want to argue, I just want to see some good football from the Dallas Cowboys, and some quality victories.

I can't have much fun when we're losing.
 

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Clove;4655184 said:
I'm in the "No more words, just show me" camp. But right now, I don't want to argue, I just want to see some good football from the Dallas Cowboys, and some quality victories.

I can't have much fun when we're losing.

You read my mind.
 

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Alright, the answer to the first question raised was Mark Strepnoski and Ray Donaldson....:starspin
 

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TwoDeep3;4654737 said:
Evidently the message is not sinking in.

The very same people who have assured throughout the last umpteen years that this team is coming together still maintain they don't like nor understand the negativity.

Yet, these very same people don't think their position on Campo was negative.

So either I agree with you or I am negative. Great logic.

That makes this rebuttal post pointless, but I have OCD when it comes to mindless things such as this.

2259 words. If you posted it on smashwords.com and put a snazzy cover to it, you could hawk this for .99 a copy.

2259 words.

The point is this.

No more words.

Feel good commentary that goes on year after year only to be forgotten by the original commentators becomes the same thing from one regime to the next. You could virtually copy the same threads from 2009 and drop them here and merely change a few names and they say the same things.

No more words.

Show me.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a disciplined team.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me less penalties that stop drives.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a defense that can stop the other team late in games.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a coaching staff that doesn't hoist themselves on their own petard by making boneheaded decisions.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a head coach that can manage a clock late in a half or in a game.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a special teams that can move the ball when we receive it and stop the ball when they do.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me wins in December.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me wins in January.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me play off wins.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a seed in the NFC Championship game where win one and we have a shot at it all.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a quarterback that doesn't get rattled, or tries to do too much, but just drives that bus, baby.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Show me a GM that makes wise moves then steps out of the way and the limelight to allow his coaches to do what they were hired to do.

Don't tell me. Show me.

The time for telling me after fourteen years of telling me and the results have been unsatisfactory have ended.

Don't tell me. Show me.

Too many times I have read the tell me why you don't see it my way.

Then a 19 page thread ensues where the people asking me to list my points try and deny each while assaulting me with insults.

Been there, and listed every issue I have with Jerry.

It is no longer about posts with 2259 words telling me why someone else thinks this is greatness.

I've seen that post in so many forms on this board from so many posters I have lost count.

It is not a dog chasing his tail.

It is simply a life long fan not listening to the huckster that owns and runs the team. Or the fans who each year sit at the poker table owned by the huckster and see the crappy cards they are dealt and are holding out for that one card that wins.

It is simply show me.

I bought the magazines, tickets, t-shirts, seats, parking passes, preseason game tickets, cable to see them play, products, read the newspapers, web blogs, internet sites and fanboy comments. Spent almost my entire life loving this team.

Been one since day one!

I have one thing I want. That is to win.

No more rhetoric, no more rancor, no more assurances, no more hopes and no more change.

Show me, because from here on out my mantra is simple.

No More Words...Just Show Me


NO MORE WORDS! That should be the overriding theme for this team this season.

EPIC, TD3! :bow:
 

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Shinywalrus;4654878 said:
I'm sorry you disagreed with the post. Did you have a specific point of disagreement?

That's for you to come up with, or contradict the statement.
 

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popp1234;4655208 said:
NO MORE WORDS! That should be the overriding theme for this team this season.

EPIC, TD3! :bow:
Witten agrees;

“I am a little different than I’ve been before and that’s just because I think we feel a true sense of urgency,” Witten said. “We’ve had feelings like this every year, but this year just seems different. I’m tired of it. I’m tired of the same ol’ stuff. We say the same things every year and the results have been the same.

“I think in the past we’ve had an attitude like, ‘Hey don’t worry guys. We’ll fix that problem. We’ll get better here or there.’ And at some time you just want to say enough is enough.”
 

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Clove;4655184 said:
I'm in the "No more words, just show me" camp. But right now, I don't want to argue, I just want to see some good football from the Dallas Cowboys, and some quality victories.

I can't have much fun when we're losing.

Totally agree. It's time for less AUDIO and more VIDEO. :starspin
 

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CCBoy;4655209 said:
That's for you to come up with, or contradict the statement.

I'm not sure I understand you. If someone says "nuh uh", the only proper response is to say "nuh uh" back and not ask for clarification?
 

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Phoenix;4654728 said:
Negative – Hos not a fan. Nor of Campo. But Jimmy was. Offer solutions. Just win. How? Dogs chase tails. Aikman to Romo – gap in bridge? Can cross after fact? Parcells. Quincy. Warner has a thumb. Romo, praise Payton? Scouts? Gripes –no no none never never no. Just win. Camp Cupcake for longest time. Kudos! Reality supposed to check what time? RHG – it’s a process. Eli – how to draft? Hindsight is 20/20. Serendipity! Just win. Shula & Marinononoring. Overcome! OL – you are the weak link. Great C’s last 5 SBs – who?! Costa? How? Rare to show up and W, ask Landry, Belicheck, Coughlin. Solutions, can offer for Boys? Hos offered up Seiffert & Dungy…you? Differently, what? “DeCastro DeCastro DeCastro” – Hos. To you. And us. Just win! Fine, how. Garrett – process. Plan. Players buy in. You should. Insight! > Incite.
That is the greatest post on this forum...ever.
 

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Shinywalrus;4655249 said:
I'm not sure I understand you. If someone says "nuh uh", the only proper response is to say "nuh uh" back and not ask for clarification?

Lol. Hey, that's CC's "TED" in action. You have to have the proper eqipment for decryption. Love the guy, though. :)
 

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popp1234;4655261 said:
Lol. Hey, that's CC's "TED" in action. You have to have the proper eqipment for decryption. Love the guy, though. :)

I'm happy to be confused as long as I'm not the only one! :)
 

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It's easy being a fan: we share in the glory without any of the work and we can say what we want without actually doing anything to change the team. Sure, part of the frustration is being unable to do anything, but it's a lot easier than staying up all night like the actual players and coaches and finding true solutions.

and I'm not done with Costa yet--was he ready last year? no. Has he improved? we'll see
 

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Hostile;4654455 said:
It's no secret I am not a fan of negativity. Now, I'm not talking about being down on a coach or player. I couldn't stand Dave Campo. That's not negativity really. I griped about him and the job he did, but I always had solutions in mind when I talked about wanting him gone. That is why it really isn't negativity.

That was just my opinion on the man's abilities. Obviously Jimmy Johnson in particular would not agree with me about him since he hired him at Miami and brought him with him to Dallas. Right now Kansas won't agree with me either since he is now their DC.

I don't mind negativity when it offers solutions. Too often though it simply does not. I just read a thread where someone offered a positive view on the Head Coach here and the prevailing reply is essentially "just win." That's fine, but how do those posters propose we go about doing that?

Easy answer, just win.

It's like a dog chasing its own tail and being impressed with the speed of the circles.

If you don't like Tony Romo as a QB fine, tell us what you would have done to bridge the gap since Troy Aikman and postulate on how things could have been different. For example, in 2004 Kurt Warner was a Free Agent and he wanted to come to Dallas. I know for a fact Jerry Jones was interested too. But Bill Parcells had just endured Quincy Carter for a year and he wanted a guy he felt could lead his system. To be fair to Bill, at that time there were concerns about Warner's thumb and was he done.

In retrospect he wasn't done. He completely turned around the Cardinals and I have to tell you that may be the most impressive thing the man ever did because that franchise is a true laughingstock. Look at their solution post Warner. Would you like to see Kevin Kolb in Dallas under Center?

I wouldn't. It was pure serendipity that we hit upon Tony Romo. Yeah, you can praise Sean Payton and the scouts and anyone else you want for finding the man, but let me tell you the real reason why it is fortunate. Because no one could have foreseen this man's ability to lead a football team in the NFL. If they could he would have been a first round pick and a Ryan Leaf would have gone undrafted.

So when people are negative about Tony Romo I'd like to see them offer a viable solution once in a while. Tell me what you would have done that would have given us better results than Tony's 1-3 playoff record. I hope that isn't too much to ask, but I sense it will be because quite frankly some people don't want to put their opinions on the line, they just want to gripe.

That's what gets me. I don't want to hear gripes. I'd love to hear what that person would do differently. Just win. Okay, tell me how you would go about it.

For the longest time we heard the media talking about Camp Cupcake and Wade was too undisciplined, and kudos to them, it turns out they were right to a degree. There were all kinds of solutions offered to turn this thing back around.

Hey reality check time, Jason Garrett has implemented almost every one of those suggestions in one way or another. Is there any patience for the building process? None at all. I confess, this baffles me.

I may be lonely on this island, but I have never thought anything was a magic switch that suddenly makes a team just win. I am a shill for two things in football, pedigree and the importance of a top QB. Jimz31 and I used to go round and round on whether a bus driver really was enough.

I am not trying to call him or anyone else out, but my question then is the same as now. Is it? Back when Eli was in the Draft I was one of very few people who saw him as a franchise capable QB. He certainly wasn't going to measure up to his brother, I was assured of that. He hasn't, but in Super Bowl wins he has surpassed him and for all his greatness I do not believe Peyton will add another.

Suddenly Eli is considered a top QB and many would choose him over Tony Romo. That's fine, but tell me, how does Dallas get him? In 2004 when he was going to be the overall #1 pick Dallas was coming off a 10-6 season and had the 22nd pick in the Draft. How do they move up to take Eli?

See, you can't just tell me you'd rather have him, how do we acquire him and what is the counter cost? Do you give up your entire Draft to get him? Larry Lacewell recommended exactly that to Bill Parcells. I am not joking. I didn't know that until a day ago.

In hindsight maybe some would give up the entire 2004 Cowboys Draft for Eli. Hindsight is 20/20 vision. It is the easy way out. Sitting here right now I would gladly do it. At the time it was suggested, not on your Nellie. As much as I liked Eli then, I would not give up an entire Draft to move up and take the top QB, and I am a pedigree guy.

This is why I say it was serendipity that brought us a more than capable solution in Tony Romo. I will still tell you that in 2004, even if the Chargers would have taken our entire Draft for the #1 pick, I would have kept the picks and signed Kurt Warner as a Free Agent. I would have done that then, and today, looking back in my rearview mirror, I still would have done that.

Would that change the discovery of Tony Romo? Probably would, and I might seriously regret losing out on him, but I still would have preferred Kurt Warner to Vinny Testaverde and Drew Bledsoe. I liked Bledsoe, don't get me wrong. I honestly feel that was a right move in 2005, but so was benching him in 2006 for Romo. In all honesty, Warner in 2004 would not have granted us anything. He was ineffective and injured at first, and even the Cardinals Super Bowl year was a 9-7 season.

So was Eli's last year. The importance was in the leadership each guy had. I believe Tony has that same leadership and his production underscores that. I know people hate stats, but they are a litmus test. There are reasons why Dan Marino, Dan Fouts, Warren Moon, and Tony Romo all put up huge stats. It is because they are great QBs. There were reasons why the first three never won a Super Bowl and why Tony hasn't to this point. Some of it falls on them, much of it doesn't.

Tony just needs to win. Garrett just needs to win. Okay, fine. Tell me what Don Shula and Dan Marino failed to do to get their ring. Two Hall of Famers. Two of the very best, yet it eluded and escaped them. In the eyes of some it tarnishes Marino. I think that's silly personally, but to each their own.

So, how do teams just win? First of all they don't focus on what they don't have. They overcome what they do have.

If you are asking me right now what I think the weakest position is in our projected 22 starting lineup, I am going to tell you the same thing I said pre-draft when I was screaming for David DeCastro and Peter Konz, Center and interior OL. Some people are going to tell me that we cannot win with Phil Costa at Center and we need Nick Mangold. Okay, how do we get him?

Quick, off the top of your head, who was the great Center on the last 5 Super Bowl winners?

Center is important, but it is not a position that like QB is a prophecy of doom. Do I want to improve on Phil Costa? Lord yes. How many times have I said I want Bernadeau at Center and Leary at RG?

See, that's not negativity for the sake of being negative. Am I griping about Costa? Hell yes, but I am also offering a solution. Maybe that solution will not work out, but at least it isn't just empty commentary like "just win."

How?

What would you do that Garrett isn't doing? "I'd win games." Gosh, that's such genius. Why hasn't anyone else thought of that?

I want to win as badly as anyone, especially with all the shilling I have done for Jason Garrett. I am sorry folks, but it really is a process. You can believe that or not, but it is and it is also something else, it is a journey.

Bill Belichick is the best Head Coach in the NFL right now. Some might argue that Coughlin has taken him twice. Fine. Did either of them have immediate NFL success or did they build towards what they have? Did they just win?

not even Tom Landry, as great as he was, just showed up and we won. He built upon what he wanted in a team. Jimmy Johnson built what he wanted in his teams. Anyone who thinks it is a simple transition is kidding themselves and you.

If you want to tell me that you'll get behind this team once they start winning fine. I personally have never wanted to be a fair weather fan, but to each his own. I really don't have an issue with someone being less than enthused about the past results. But as you are talking about what needs to be done, offer your plan, your solution, your vision of the future.

I hear an occasional poster say something like, "I've been right for 16 straight years in saying the Cowboys weren't good enough." That isn't being right. Tell me for the last 16 years how you've picked every Super Bowl winner right before the season started. That is being right for 16 straight years. The other example is being negative for 16 straight years and nothing more.

What was your solution? What would have changed the last 16 years? Keeping Jimmy? Okay, tell me how you do that? How do you hang onto a man who has himself said he was itching to get back to Miami? How do you hang onto a man who himself has said he wanted out? Then let's ask Jimmy if that would have kept him here. If he answers yes then I will applaud your plan. I really will.

I never wanted Barry, Chan, or Dave here. But each time one of them got hired I was not just griping about what we did do, I was saying what I would have done. George Seiffert and Tony Dungy were among my solutions to the post Jimmy era. I didn't just gripe, I offered up what I would have done differently.

There's nothing at all wrong with not liking what the team does or is doing. I will point blank tell you I do not like Phil Costa right now. Could he turn into a strength for this team? Of course he could. It will be as much serendipity as it was that Tony Romo developed. I think it is less likely, but I could be wrong on Costa. I am not scared to admit that.

But at least when you hear me griping about him, or Chris Jones, or Dave Campo, I'm offering alternative solutions and for the most part I keep them realistic I think. Kurt Warner over Vinny was a realistic possibility. Acquiring Eli in the Draft, not so much. So though I liked Eli a lot more than most, I wasn't screaming for us to get him.

I wore people out about DeCastro, whom I even suggested would play Center for us if we got him. I am fine with the acquisition of Mo Claiborne because I do see him as potentially the best defensive player in this Draft. He's going to have rough spots. it is a rough transition from LSU to the NFL. I am down on Costa and always have been. Bernadeau is my current solution because it is actually feasible.

So if you want us to just win, fine. Tell us how to go about it, and while you're at it, make it a feasible solution. Do that, and your negativity won't bother me at all, and it will make for an actual good discussion point. Just win is a fine plan. No one goes from point A to pint B without some kind of idea on how that plan is going to unfold.

Jason Garrett has a plan in place. The players are buying in. It is time for the fans to do the same, or to present better solutions that we can talk about.

Now I know some smart alec is probably going to probably make a sarcastic reply to this and say just win and it will garner some laughs. Here's the sad part about that shtick, that's all they have. Pay close attention, that's all they've ever had. If that is what you want to applaud and follow, be my guest. I'll always prefer someone who shares insight over those who incite.

It's no secret I am not a fan of negativity.

Stay out of the O-line post then, bunch of babies there.
 

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Shinywalrus;4655249 said:
I'm not sure I understand you. If someone says "nuh uh", the only proper response is to say "nuh uh" back and not ask for clarification?

I'm not quite straight on 'nuh uh' now. Have someone pass it around the burn barrel a couple times and see what they come up with.
 

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CCBoy;4655357 said:
I'm not quite straight on 'nuh uh' now. Have someone pass it around the burn barrel a couple times and see what they come up with.

Someone has been passing something around your burn barrel and I don't think it's 'nuh uh'.
 
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