Do we expect OL to develop too quickly

[speedkilz88]

This is his 5th season coming up and quite frankly, he hasn't shown that he's any better than Free. I know he was raw coming out of college, but he should have shown more by now. whiffing on blockers in a goaline set and getting beat just as much as Free, doesn't inspire confidence.

It's his 4th coming up. (His first season wasn't even a full season) He was a practice squad guy in 2009-2010 and in Oct 2010 the Cowboys picked him off NO practice squad. He started out as a DE then moved to TE and then on to OT. The guy is early in the development stage and is already a competent backup swing OT.

They have another guy similar to him in Weems.

 

[fortdick]

I agree that expecting Arkin to start prior to this season was unrealistic from the beggining, but he clearly should've shown more by now. He has been out matched in pre season games and should've been good enough to be the 3rd guard last year (keep in mind, 3rd guard out of a bad group of guards).



I think people just don't see the upside on him. But considering he was an UDFA, I don't see how people can be "down" on him



This is his 5th season coming up and quite frankly, he hasn't shown that he's any better than Free. I know he was raw coming out of college, but he should have shown more by now. whiffing on blockers in a goaline set and getting beat just as much as Free, doesn't inspire confidence.

Leary has the knee issue. He was, if I recall, projected as second or third rounder except for that. I see Leary as them taking a chance on another UDFA star. I personally am rooting for him to stay healthy and show what he can do.

 

[CF74]

I really like the Parnell kid but let's face it, the guy needs at least one more season to develop before being thrown into the fire for his final refinement stage. Anything short of that will be a disaster. If we don't bring in a competent stop gap there will be major ru-age...

Wasn't Warford projected to go in the 2nd round? That was what I was hoping for. I know he went in the 3rd though...

So nobody thinks Killer Kowalski is the dark horse rising and capable of snatching the RG spot from Bernadeau?

 

[Deep_Freeze]

Patience isn't a virtue of most fans, just like the thread here of starting Matt and Wilcox, we expect them to be ready right now for some reason. I found it very interesting that people are ready to throw those safeties into the fire, but our OL, nooo they have to be a bunch of high picks or former pro-bowlers.

We just absolutely need Parnell to work out for us, and need to give him every opportunity to do so as we don't have unlimited resources. Wish we could sign Moore, but if not all we can do is hope that someone can take the spot from Berny.

 

[Galian Beast]

Patience isn't a virtue of most fans, just like the thread here of starting Matt and Wilcox, we expect them to be ready right now for some reason. I found it very interesting that people are ready to throw those safeties into the fire, but our OL, nooo they have to be a bunch of high picks or former pro-bowlers.

We just absolutely need Parnell to work out for us, and need to give him every opportunity to do so as we don't have unlimited resources. Wish we could sign Moore, but if not all we can do is hope that someone can take the spot from Berny.

It's also the same reason why players like Wilber, Johnson, and Crawford are completely overlooked in Year 2.

 

[xwalker]

I really like the Parnell kid but let's face it, the guy needs at least one more season to develop before being thrown into the fire for his final refinement stage. Anything short of that will be a disaster. If we don't bring in a competent stop gap there will be major ru-age...

IMO, he could have 10 more years of practice and not be as ready as he would with half a season of playing in real games. The rotation with Free was the perfect method for getting him into real games without completely "throwing him into the fire".

 

[SMCowboy]

I believe this is why they want Free to take a paycut rather than signing someone to replace him. They simply don't want to put any more money into the position. That being said, I don't like the rumors regarding his pay cut. a 3.5 million he is still vastly too expensive (unless that refers to his total cap hit, which would mean they want him to take the vet minimum).

The signing bonus part of his salary cap hit, has to be ignored, because that is going to be paid no matter what.

Doug Free at a base salary of $3.5 million Dollar is still much cheaper for Dallas than Winston at $3 million dollars. If we cut him right now, we still have to eat the remaining $10 million dollars.

 

[CF74]

IMO, he could have 10 more years of practice and not be as ready as he would with half a season of playing in real games. The rotation with Free was the perfect method for getting him into real games without completely "throwing him into the fire".

If playing a full season, Parnell was on pace to give up about 8-12 sacks. Do the math, he gave up 2-3 sacks on 190 snaps. He's not ready....

 

[xwalker]

The signing bonus part of his salary cap hit, has to be ignored, because that is going to be paid no matter what.

Doug Free at a base salary of $3.5 million Dollar is still much cheaper for Dallas than Winston at $3 million dollars. If we cut him right now, we still have to eat the remaining $10 million dollars.

No, making Free a June 1st cut defers half of the bonus money to next year's cap.

 

[AbeBeta]

If playing a full season, Parnell was on pace to give up about 8-12 sacks. Do the math, he gave up 2-3 sacks on 190 snaps. He's not ready....

I think that a poor projection -- when Parnell hit the lineup, we were passing a ton. In the Washington game he started, we threw 62 times - in the previous game when he replaced Smith in the middle of the game, we threw 50 times. In the games he rotated with Free we averaged over 40 throws a game.

You can't project based on that. Parnell was playing in an offense that had to throw constantly. Defenses can pin back their ears and go after the QB in those situations.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

Doug Free at a base salary of $3.5 million Dollar is still much cheaper for Dallas than Winston at $3 million dollars.

Were u absent the day they taught math in first grade?

 

[CF74]

I think that a poor projection -- when Parnell hit the lineup, we were passing a ton. In the Washington game he started, we threw 62 times - in the previous game when he replaced Smith in the middle of the game, we threw 50 times. In the games he rotated with Free we averaged over 40 throws a game.

You can't project based on that. Parnell was playing in an offense that had to throw constantly. Defenses can pin back their ears and go after the QB in those situations.

Well then by your rational Free had a good year...:laugh2:

 

[ThreeandOut]

It's also the same reason why players like Wilber, Johnson, and Crawford are completely overlooked in Year 2.

This is a good thread. There should more threads about our young players developing and fewer about why we don't have a 1st round draft pick or high priced free agent at every position of need.

We need for some of the young players (years 2-4) to step up and contribute to the team this year. I would love to see a Parnell or Leary take a starting spot this year.

 

[erod]

So in other words, if he tries out and gets hurt, Jerry won't owe him so much.

 

[Galian Beast]

This is a good thread. There should more threads about our young players developing and fewer about why we don't have a 1st round draft pick or high priced free agent at every position of need.

We need for some of the young players (years 2-4) to step up and contribute to the team this year. I would love to see a Parnell or Leary take a starting spot this year.

89 Escobar, Gavin TE 6-6 255 22 R San Diego State
70 Frederick, Travis C 6-4 312 22 R Wisconsin
57 Holloman, DeVonte LB 6-1 246 22 R South Carolina
35 Randle, Joseph RB 6-0 202 21 R Oklahoma State
20 Webb, B.W. CB 5-10 183 23 R William & Mary
27 Wilcox, J.J. S 5-11 214 22 R Georgia Southern
83 Williams, Terrance WR 6-2 205 23 R Baylor
16 Benford, Tim WR 5-11 200 23 1 Tennessee Tech
81 Coale, Danny WR 6-0 190 24 1 Virginia Tech
66 Dominguez, Ray G 6-4 329 24 1 Arkansas
85 Green, Jared WR 6-1 185 24 1 Southern University
44 Hughlett, Charley LS 6-4 251 22 1 Central Florida
64 Igbinosun, Ikponmwosa DT 6-4 288 22 1 Southern Connecticut State
65 Leary, Ronald G 6-3 318 24 1 Memphis
56 McSurdy, Caleb LB 6-1 248 23 1 Montana
31 Pellerin, Micah S 6-0 195 24 1 Hampton
76 Simmons, Aderious T 6-7 310 26 1 Arizona State
87 Smith, Andre TE 6-5 267 24 1 Virginia Tech
3 Stephens, Nick QB 6-3 230 25 1 Tarleton State
61 Taylor, Monte DT 6-5 266 24 1 Cincinnati
75 Weems, Darrion T 6-5 320 24 1 Oregon
62 Arkin, David G 6-5 306 25 2 Missouri State
79 Bass, Ben DT 6-5 283 23 2 Texas A&M
11 Beasley, Cole WR 5-8 177 24 2 Southern Methodist
72 Callaway, Rob DT 6-5 324 25 2 Saginaw Valley State
24 Claiborne, Morris CB 5-11 185 23 2 LSU
98 Crawford, Tyrone DT 6-4 285 23 2 Boise State
25 Dunbar, Lance RB 5-8 191 23 2 North Texas
84 Hanna, James TE 6-4 249 23 2 Oklahoma
37 Johnson, Matt S 6-1 215 23 2 Eastern Washington
6 Jones, Chris P 6-0 208 23 2 Carson-Newman
51 Wilber, Kyle LB 6-4 246 24 2 Wake Forest
55 Albright, Alex LB 6-5 260 25 3 Boston College
5 Bailey, Dan K 6-0 189 25 3 Oklahoma State
54 Carter, Bruce LB 6-2 240 25 3 North Carolina
86 Cochart, Colin TE 6-4 258 25 3 South Dakota State
17 Harris, Dwayne WR 5-10 200 25 3 East Carolina
96 Hayden, Nick DT 6-4 300 27 3 Wisconsin
60 Kowalski, Kevin C/G 6-3 304 24 3 Toledo
15 Mitchell, Carlton WR 6-3 215 25 3 South Florida
21 Moore, Sterling CB 5-10 200 23 3 Southern Methodist
29 Murray, DeMarco RB 6-0 215 25 3 Oklahoma
99 Price, Brian DT 6-1 303 24 3 UCLA
53 Sheffield, Cameron LB 6-2 257 25 3 Troy
77 Smith, Tyron T 6-5 308 22 3 USC
34 Tanner, Phillip RB 5-10 217 24 3 Middle Tennessee State
23 Underwood, Brandon CB 6-1 197 26 3 Cincinnati
13 Armstrong, Anthony WR 5-11 179 30 4 West Texas A&M
92 Brent, Josh NT 6-2 320 25 4 Illinois
88 Bryant, Dez WR 6-2 220 24 4 Oklahoma State
42 Church, Barry S 6-2 218 25 4 Toledo
67 Costa, Phil C 6-3 313 25 4 Maryland
50 Lee, Sean LB 6-2 245 26 4 Penn State
95 Lissemore, Sean DT 6-3 303 25 4 William & Mary
40 McCray, Danny S 6-1 222 25 4 LSU
78 Parnell, Jermey T 6-6 311 26 4 Mississippi

It's crazy how much of our core team is 4 years or less in the nfl (accrued seasons)

 

[Manwiththeplan]

What u r calling our core, id call a bunch of role players

 

[burmafrd]

I agree that expecting Arkin to start prior to this season was unrealistic from the beggining, but he clearly should've shown more by now. He has been out matched in pre season games and should've been good enough to be the 3rd guard last year (keep in mind, 3rd guard out of a bad group of guards).



I think people just don't see the upside on him. But considering he was an UDFA, I don't see how people can be "down" on him



This is his 5th season coming up and quite frankly, he hasn't shown that he's any better than Free. I know he was raw coming out of college, but he should have shown more by now. whiffing on blockers in a goaline set and getting beat just as much as Free, doesn't inspire confidence.

if you had bothered to check Parnell out you would know he has only two years as a tackle

 

[AbeBeta]

Well then by your rational Free had a good year...:laugh2:

Whether he did or not, applying your "logic" to an evaluation would be deeply flawed.

 

[CF74]

Whether he did or not, applying your "logic" to an evaluation would be deeply flawed.

I'm just going by what you presented...

 

[speedkilz88]

Were u absent the day they taught math in first grade?

He's accounting for the prorated bonus.