Do we expect OL to develop too quickly

[speedkilz88]

The signing bonus part of his salary cap hit, has to be ignored, because that is going to be paid no matter what.

Doug Free at a base salary of $3.5 million Dollar is still much cheaper for Dallas than Winston at $3 million dollars. If we cut him right now, we still have to eat the remaining $10 million dollars.

No, making Free a June 1st cut defers half of the bonus money to next year's cap.

Doesn't it work out something like this?

7.0 Doug Free Salary
-1.4 1/3 of prorated bonus
5.6
-3.0 Winston Salary
2.6 Left Over


7.0 Doug Free Salary
-3.5 1/2 of Doug Free Salary
3.5 Left Over

 

[Mr_Bill]

No, making Free a June 1st cut defers half of the bonus money to next year's cap.

I don't think so.

If Free is cut after June 1, only this year's portion of his signing bonus applies to the 2013 season. The remainder would come due in 2014. If he has four years left on his contract, as has been stated in this thread, 1/4 is due this year, and 3/4 due in 2014.

It depends on the remaining years in his contract.

 

[speedkilz88]

I don't think so.

If Free is cut after June 1, only this year's portion of his signing bonus applies to the 2013 season. The remainder would come due in 2014. If he has four years left on his contract, as has been stated in this thread, 1/4 is due this year, and 3/4 due in 2014.

It depends on the remaining years in his contract.

Unless they have changed up his contract, the remaining bonus (both signing bonus-2.575 and restructure bonus-1.6) in 2014 is 4.175.

 

[Manwiththeplan]

if you had bothered to check Parnell out you would know he has only two years as a tackle

I know all about him, but being raw =/= upside

 

[Mr_Bill]

I don't think so.

If Free is cut after June 1, only this year's portion of his signing bonus applies to the 2013 season. The remainder would come due in 2014. If he has four years left on his contract, as has been stated in this thread, 1/4 is due this year, and 3/4 due in 2014.

It depends on the remaining years in his contract.

A fine mess I made of this! :

I got part of it right, but that's not good enough.

There are three factors to consider when calculating for a post-June 1 release: the amount of the bonus, the length of the contract, and when it was signed. The annual proration for all bonuses is calculated by dividing the bonus by the number of years covered by that bonus [maximum 5 years]. Each year the annual proration is accrued as part of the team's salary cap calculation. If the player is released after June 1, his annual proration is accrued as usual, any remaining non-accrued portion falls into the next year's salary cap.

For instance, if a player signs a 5-year contract, and is given a $10 million signing bonus, his annual proration is $2 million. If that player is released after 2 years, the team is charged the $2 million for that year, and the remaining $4 million applies to the next year's salary-cap costs.

The calculations get more complex if a player restructures, extends, has another contracted bonus, etc. Each new bonus is calculated in the same way as the original, counting from the date of the new bonus. The old bonus still stands, and must be added in until it is completely accounted for.

I do not have the details of Doug Free's contract, so someone else, who does, will have to do the math.

Sorry for the confusion.

 

[Eskimo]

I know all about him, but being raw =/= upside

This is kind of true but raw implies that there is hope for considerable improvement with further coaching and experience. When someone is raw and yet can already play a position competently the hope is they will become an above average starter quickly according to the normal learning curve for young NFL players. Parnell is truly raw given he has only played football for 4 years, has very little onfield experience limited mostly to PS games plus 4 acutal NFL games this past year but 0 college playing experience and has only been an OL for 2 years.

The upside is:

Great height: 6-6
Great length: Has huge wingspan, probably 36 inches
Excellent strength: strongest punch ever recorded by Woicik, Callahan
Good core strength: for a guy this tall who has played so little he didn't get bullrushed all that much or effectively which is really surprising
Good natural athletic feet from basketball experience
Excellent natural athlete - you can see from him starting out as a TE and running patterns downfield at 250 pounds in college

He is still adjusting to his body. He has put on about 75 pounds in the last 4 years since turning to football but doesn't look the least bit flabby which implied incredible genetics to build muscle and strength. He is still adjusting to his new body and will continue to improve.

You could think of him now as just being ready to start his NFL career based on training experience, de-risked by having NFL game film and having measurables probably commensurate with a top 15 pick (hard to know for sure since never went to Combine or had a real Pro Day).

I have high hopes for him. If he looks really good in TC/PS then I think he is ready to go as the first stringer. I really think he only needs game experience to round out his game. I don't think we should bring in a top tier vet and pay for a starter to sit on the bench. What we need is a reliable backup swing tackle. I hope Weems beats out whoever we bring in as I like him too but we'll see in TC/PS how he plays.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Did someone explain Risen Star's logic that we have done nothing on the OL despite the fact that we used 2 of our most valuable commodities over 3 years on the O-line, made an investment in the best OL coach in the business and made a huge financial commitment to a player on the line who we thought was a player (turned out to be wrong but that happens sometimes in the NFL).

What Risen is saying literally makes no sense.

 

[burmafrd]

Did someone explain Risen Star's logic that we have done nothing on the OL despite the fact that we used 2 of our most valuable commodities over 3 years on the O-line, made an investment in the best OL coach in the business and made a huge financial commitment to a player on the line who we thought was a player (turned out to be wrong but that happens sometimes in the NFL).

What Risen is saying literally makes no sense.

and what has the result been so far?


So what - Jerruh spends money on coaches. So what is new about that?

you whine about three years without being able to admit that our O line has gotten WORSE in those three years.

So your post looks frankly pathetic

Spent a lot of money on Houck and how did that turn out?

You somehow seem to think flash equals substance. Just like Jerruh.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

and what has the result been so far?


So what - Jerruh spends money on coaches. So what is new about that?

you whine about three years without being able to admit that our O line has gotten WORSE in those three years.

So your post looks frankly pathetic

Spent a lot of money on Houck and how did that turn out?

You somehow seem to think flash equals substance. Just like Jerruh.

So your problem is that investment in the line didn't deliver immediate success (nevermind the injuries we had last year to start the season ruined any continuity)?

Not only does Risen sound like a moron when he says we don't value the OL when we have spent 2 1st rounders on the position in 3 years...but now you sound like a moron because the o-line has not improved dramatically and immediately since those investments (nevermind that one of those players was just drafted a month ago).

I'm not saying you and Risen are morons...but you're both wearing a moron's costume.

 

[ElGatoGrande]

So your problem is that investment in the line didn't deliver immediate success (nevermind the injuries we had last year to start the season ruined any continuity)?

Not only does Risen sound like a moron when he says we don't value the OL when we have spent 2 1st rounders on the position in 3 years.

I love how some people are throwing out that stat when 99% of the berating directed at Jerry occurred before this year's draft. The media and fans had to shame him into that pick after the epic OL implosion over recent years. Add to that the fact that this OL needed at least 2-3 new starters and the single draft pick looks like yet another incremental improvement. He's rolling the dice, again, that a couple of diamonds will appear out of the long-shot players he had on the team last year.

 

[Stash]

Did someone explain Risen Star's logic that we have done nothing on the OL despite the fact that we used 2 of our most valuable commodities over 3 years on the O-line, made an investment in the best OL coach in the business and made a huge financial commitment to a player on the line who we thought was a player (turned out to be wrong but that happens sometimes in the NFL).

What Risen is saying literally makes no sense.

Where did he post in this thread?

 

[Toruk_Makto]

I love how some people are throwing out that stat when 99% of the berating directed at Jerry occurred before this year's draft. The media and fans had to shame him into that pick after the epic OL implosion over recent years. Add to that the fact that this OL needed at least 2-3 new starters and the single draft pick looks like yet another incremental improvement. He's rolling the dice, again, that a couple of diamonds will appear out of the long-shot players he had on the team last year.

Where in the draft would we have gotten 2 to 3 new starters? Nevermind that I think that those numbers are likely exaggerated.

And a big LOL @ thinking that Jerry had to be shamed into the pick. Was he shamed into the Smith pick as well? Or the free agent signings?

Is Jerry responsible for the injuries to start last year as well?

 

[ElGatoGrande]

Where in the draft would we have gotten 2 to 3 new starters? Nevermind that I think that those numbers are likely exaggerated.

And a big LOL @ thinking that Jerry had to be shamed into the pick. Was he shamed into the Smith pick as well? Or the free agent signings?

Is Jerry responsible for the injuries to start last year as well?

If incoherent, circular logic were a virtue you and Jerry would be saints and fans of a consistent contender.

 

[nalam]

Did someone explain Risen Star's logic that we have done nothing on the OL despite the fact that we used 2 of our most valuable commodities over 3 years on the O-line, made an investment in the best OL coach in the business and made a huge financial commitment to a player on the line who we thought was a player (turned out to be wrong but that happens sometimes in the NFL).

What Risen is saying literally makes no sense.

Ok what u say us Jerry got the chef but skimping on the groceries, u can't have a gourmet meal with poor groceries.