Do We Overrate Newman?

[The30YardSlant]

Oh now its a series of lies? lmao 152 huh :laugh1:

You wish to discredit that with a lie too, or will you concede that you dont know everything about me?

Believe it or not, I am fairly firm in my believe that I am not, in fact, an idiot. If you wish to believe so, well, I'll jsut have to live with that

 

[BigDFan5]

WTH does that have to do with anything?

Lets see you call me a liar because I did not clarify "cover" corner in one sentence, even though I had established we were talking about cover CB's in the previous sentence and you wonder why you editing it out of your post has to do with anything? lmao 152 IQ indeed

There, happy? That doesnt change anything, that is you stating that you believe he is the best cover corner in football, which proves my point that this board is overrating him.

Then, you went on to say that I called him the best corner in football, a lie. Stop dancing around the truth.

I am still waiting on you to name who was better and PROVE it.

 

[BigDFan5]

You wish to discredit that with a lie too, or will you concede that you dont know everything about me?

Believe it or not, I am fairly firm in my believe that I am not, in fact, an idiot. If you wish to believe so, well, I'll jsut have to live with that

Well if it's true you arent very smart for a smart person.

Also where is the "series" of lies I am waiting or was that you lying?

 

[The30YardSlant]

Just waiting to get a real answer from you, who was a better cover corner last year than Newman? Who and WHY?

I've already explained this. Whether or not Bailey is better in coverage is debateable, however he is a bigger defensive playmaker.

Ronde Barber is, IMO, the best pure coverage man in football because of his versatility in both man and zone coverage. He is the best in football at disguing his coverages, and because the cover 2 IS a zone-based defense, he often fools the offense.

 

[apickmans]

Many on here agree with the masses just so they dont get bashed for saying what they think.

Heh kinda like whats happening to you HH??

 

[The30YardSlant]

Well if it's true you arent very smart for a smart person.

Also where is the "series" of lies I am waiting or was that you lying?

For arguement's sake, I'll pretend that made sense.....

The lies started with your claiming I said Newman was the best corner in football. It then continued with you denying that you didnt do anything of the sort.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Heh kinda like whats happening to you HH??

Bingo

 

[BigDFan5]

I've already explained this. Whether or not Bailey is better in coverage is debateable, however he is a bigger defensive playmaker.

Ok then Bailey is out because you yourself said he gave up big plays

Ronde Barber is, IMO, the best pure coverage man in football because of his versatility in both man and zone coverage. He is the best in football at disguing his coverages, and because the cover 2 IS a zone-based defense, he often fools the offense.

Now do you have any facts to back this? Remember we are not talking about best over a career, or overall best. We are talking about best LAST season only. So is there anything you can point to that says Barber is better other than your opinion?

Otherwise you saying everyone overrates newman on this board simply by saying he was the best in one year is you saying your OPINION over who was better is all that matters. So does your opinion overrule everyone on this board or is it possible you are wrong?

 

[cowboyfreak]

Who do you bump from the Pro Bowl last year to put Newman in?

A caller to Sirius the other day tried in vain to state the premise of this thread. Shine and Wilcotts (the hosts) would have nothing of it and kept repeating the initial sentence of this post.

I know who I bump, but would like to know what the zone thinks.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Lets see you call me a liar because I did not clarify "cover" corner in one sentence, even though I had established we were talking about cover CB's in the previous sentence and you wonder why you editing it out of your post has to do with anything? lmao 152 IQ indeed.

If this is true, then you just contradicted yourself, as I said he was considered the best cover corner by many here, and then you agreed by stating that was your belief. You then go onto say that I misunderstood the board by believing you and others believed he was, in fact, the best cover corner in football?

Do you understand how that makes no sense whatsoever?

So, unless you are just a living, breathing contradiction, you are weasling your way out of a lie.

There are few things lower than a liar, one of them being those who dont admit their lies.

 

[5Stars]

... I am fairly firm in my believe that I am not, in fact, an idiot.

Just an FYI...that should read;

"I am fairly firm in my "belief" that I am..."

That should kick that IQ up to 153...

Just trying to help....carry on!

:starspin

 

[BigDFan5]

For arguement's sake, I'll pretend that made sense.....

The lies started with your claiming I said Newman was the best corner in football. It then continued with you denying that you didnt do anything of the sort.

So just ignore the fact that in the same post you say I "lied" in, I had already established we were talking about cover corners? Are you really so feebleminded that I have to keep saying "cover" over and over? With a 152 IQ I figured you knew what we were discussing

 

[BigDFan5]

If this is true, then you just contradicted yourself, as I said he was considered the best cover corner by many here, and then you agreed by stating that was your belief. You then go onto say that I misunderstood the board by believing you and others believed he was, in fact, the best cover corner in football?

Do you understand how that makes no sense whatsoever?

So, unless you are just a living, breathing contradiction, you are weasling your way out of a lie.

There are few things lower than a liar, one of them being those who dont admit their lies.

Again you missed the point. People said he was the best LAST year which I also stated in the post, and you took it to mean best overall (cover corner not just for 1 year). Damn I could have worded it better but I thought you were smart enough to know what we were discussing. I won;t make that mistake again.

Now again Barber is the best LAST year, so are you going to answe rmy previous post or dance around it?

Edit damn i did it again

 

[The30YardSlant]

Ok then Bailey is out because you yourself said he gave up big plays



Now do you have any facts to back this? Remember we are not talking about best over a career, or overall best. We are talking about best LAST season only. So is there anything you can point to that says Barber is better other than your opinion?

Otherwise you saying everyone overrates newman on this board simply by saying he was the best in one year is you saying your OPINION over who was better is all that matters. So does your opinion overrule everyone on this board or is it possible you are wrong?

I dont have stats outside of INTs, which dont establish best coverage player, though he did have 5, whereas Newman only had 3. However, he did have 20 passes defenced, as opposed to Newman's 16, which is a decent indicator of a good cover corner. You just have to watch the two play to differentiate.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Again you missed the point. People said he was the best LAST year which I also stated in the post, and you took it to mean best overall (cover corner not just for 1 year). Damn I could have worded it better but I thought you were smart enough to know what we were discussing. I won;t make that mistake again.

Now again Barber is the best LAST year, so are you going to answe rmy previous post or dance around it?

Edit damn i did it again

No I didnt. Caught right in the middle of a lie, trying to tell us all how it wasnt a lie.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Just an FYI...that should read;

"I am fairly firm in my "belief" that I am..."

That should kick that IQ up to 153...

Just trying to help....carry on!

:starspin

Typo smack. Wonderful

 

[5Stars]

Typo smack. Wonderful

It's all good...!

Here, just for you...

:starspin :starspin :starspin

 

[Vintage]

Can I go offtopic for a second and ask a question related to the thread, or is that a no-no?

Can someone provide a link of the article that said Newman gave up 0 TD's and 300 yards passing?

 

[BigDFan5]

I dont have stats outside of INTs, which dont establish best coverage player, though he did have 5, whereas Newman only had 3. However, he did have 20 passes defenced, as opposed to Newman's 16, which is a decent indicator of a good cover corner. You just have to watch the two play to differentiate.

See your posts are much better when you arent being an ***.

Another indicator of a good cover corner is TD's allowed along with receptions and yards given up. While not certain I would believe Newman bests him in these categories.

So what is more important a few pass defensed and 2 INTs or keeping your man from scoring as well as gaining many yards?

The problem we run into is when you are using what you now say is only an opinion in order to say the whole board overrates Newman. At least with Newman we have solid reasons to call him the best cover CB in football last season ) TDs and 300 yards is a pretty damn good reason. Yet you say we overrate him simply because your opinion doesn't match? That seems a bit egotistical to believe your own opinion outweighs alot of this forum aswell as statistical data to back up the Newman point.

 

[BigDFan5]

No I didnt. Caught right in the middle of a lie, trying to tell us all how it wasnt a lie.

Did you read the line after the part you bolded?