Do We Overrate Newman?

[cowboyfreak]

Can I go offtopic for a second and ask a question related to the thread, or is that a no-no?

Can someone provide a link of the article that said Newman gave up 0 TD's and 300 yards passing?

I don't think HH and Big D will let us play- my post above to try and get us back on topic was ignored amidst the bodyslamming.

 

[BigDFan5]

Typo smack. Wonderful

You do the typos smack to people as well.

 

[The30YardSlant]

See your posts are much better when you arent being an ***.

Another indicator of a good cover corner is TD's allowed along with receptions and yards given up. While not certain I would believe Newman bests him in these categories.

So what is more important a few pass defensed and 2 INTs or keeping your man from scoring as well as gaining many yards?

The problem we run into is when you are using what you now say is only an opinion in order to say the whole board overrates Newman. At least with Newman we have solid reasons to call him the best cover CB in football last season ) TDs and 300 yards is a pretty damn good reason. Yet you say we overrate him simply because your opinion doesn't match? That seems a bit egotistical to believe your own opinion outweighs alot of this forum aswell as statistical data to back up the Newman point.

Again, I have no idea what Barbers catches given up were. It the difference is vast, then I will recount this opinion. Just from watching them play though, Barber seems to get thrown at less.

 

[BigDFan5]

Can I go offtopic for a second and ask a question related to the thread, or is that a no-no?

Can someone provide a link of the article that said Newman gave up 0 TD's and 300 yards passing?

Adam from this board was the first to mention the little over 300 yards and 0 TDs. He is usually spot on with everything he says.

link Gil Brandt mentions in this article Newman gave up 0 TD's last season, so since Adam was right on that as well as so many other things, I tend to believe the yardage total too.

 

[BigDFan5]

Again, I have no idea what Barbers catches given up were. It the difference is vast, then I will recount this opinion. Just from watching them play though, Barber seems to get thrown at less.

Try to find out the info and bring it to the table and I doubt anyone would give you such a hard time. Newman was not thrown at alot either, Henry was tested as well as the zone with Davis in it.

Giving your opinion that Barber was better last year is good, saying that everyone overrates Newman because your opinion doesn't match not so good.

 

[BigDFan5]

Who do you bump from the Pro Bowl last year to put Newman in?

A caller to Sirius the other day tried in vain to state the premise of this thread. Shine and Wilcotts (the hosts) would have nothing of it and kept repeating the initial sentence of this post.

I know who I bump, but would like to know what the zone thinks.

Its a tough call between Hall, and Vasher.

Vasher had gaudy INT numbers but was not that great in coverage, and Hall was basically the same having like 4? Pass deflections and giving up some big plays.


So the answer is I have no clue lol but one of those 2 for sure

 

[cowboyfreak]

Its a tough call between Hall, and Vasher.

Vasher had gaudy INT numbers but was not that great in coverage, and Hall was basically the same having like 4? Pass deflections and giving up some big plays.


So the answer is I have no clue lol but one of those 2 for sure

It's definately out of those 2. I lean toward Hall because of the ridiculous hype that surrounded him all year. This simply from being a braggart against the Eagles and T.O. on week one. His coach lied to him and told him he owned him - Madden and the media ate it up. They forgot to look at T.O.s stat line and realize that Donnyboy was playing hurt for much of the game.

 

[BigDFan5]

It's definately out of those 2. I lean toward Hall because of the ridiculous hype that surrounded him all year. This simply from being a braggart against the Eagles and T.O. on week one. His coach lied to him and told him he owned him - Madden and the media ate it up. They forgot to look at T.O.s stat line and realize that Donnyboy was playing hurt for much of the game.

I agree he gave up over 100 yards to TO in that game I believe yet they still hyped him as shutting TO down.

 

[5Stars]

I agree he gave up over 100 yards to TO in that game I believe yet they still hyped him as shutting TO down.

Some things about Newman that people don't take in to account, is that he can come up and stop the run...Deion didn't like too..Newman can hit...

INT's and all that don't really mean squat...it's the overall player that makes the player...

Parcells said, "Newman cannot be intimated...no matter what, he just waits for the next play", or something like that.

The one year? (two years ago)? when he had an off year, remember, he played hurt the whole season...

 

[bh32]

Newman hardly even covered any teams #1 receiver.

 

[31smackdown]

Look... I would be very interested to see how many int's came from qb pressure, deflections, etc... and how many were pure int's.

The main difference I see between these other guys and Newman is that they all take more risks.. they all jump routes and cheat off of their man to make a play or int that they anticipate. This is not team football and I can promise that BP doesn't coach it. Newman is a solid player and plays his responsibility and trusts his teammates to play theirs, as he should.

Ty Law freely admits than many of his ints come from breaking off his responsibility and anticipating a throw. Look at Bailey against us last year.. he jumps the out route to Keyshawn for a pic and then gets burned for a TD on the pump fake the second time.

Newman plays low risk compared to these guys.. he doesn't freelance to make a play.. in my book that's a good thing. I much rather he let the receiver catch a five yard out and tackle him, instead of going for the pick, missing and giving up a td because he has single coverage on the guy

 

[big dog cowboy]

TNew overrated? Gimme a break. He doesn't get enough credit.

 

[The30YardSlant]

Newman hardly even covered any teams #1 receiver.

Do you even watch the games? He covered Steve Smith, arguably the best WR in football last year, the entire game, and did a pretty good job.

 

[bh32]

alright if he covers a teams bet wr, than why did these teams wr's blow up on your team.
mccardell 9-123-2tds
s moss 5-159-2tds
b Lloyd 4-142-2tds
r moss 4-123
r williams 5-72
E kennison 4-92
so explain these numbers if he covered all teams best wr.

 

[SultanOfSix]

He didn't cover the best receivers "all the time." No cornerback in the league does. Even Deion didn't do that all the time.

Many times, your best corner will lock down the second receiver, while the first receiver will be covered with help from another person. It's harder to beat two people than it is one, no matter how great a cornerback you are.

 

[AdamJT13]

alright if he covers a teams bet wr, than why did these teams wr's blow up on your team.
mccardell 9-123-2tds
s moss 5-159-2tds
b Lloyd 4-142-2tds
r moss 4-123
r williams 5-72
E kennison 4-92
so explain these numbers if he covered all teams best wr.

Newman doesn't follow the opponent's best receiver on every play in every game (no cornerback in the NFL does that). He plays his position and covers whoever lines up against him.

McCardell had one catch for 16 yards against Newman. Santana Moss had one catch for 9 yards (in two games) against Newman. Lloyd didn't catch a pass against Newman. Randy Moss didn't catch a pass against Newman. Roy Williams had three catches for 35 yards against Newman. Kennison had one catch for 22 yards. Those six guys COMBINED for six catches for 82 yards on 14 pass attempts against Newman.

Against Steve Smith, Terrell Owens, Torry Holt, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Rod Smith and Amani Toomer, Newman allowed a TOTAL of six catches for 84 yards on 15 attempts.

 

[StanleySpadowski]

Some things about Newman that people don't take in to account, is that he can come up and stop the run...Deion didn't like too..Newman can hit...

INT's and all that don't really mean squat...it's the overall player that makes the player...

Parcells said, "Newman cannot be intimated...no matter what, he just waits for the next play", or something like that.

The one year? (two years ago)? when he had an off year, remember, he played hurt the whole season...

What "off year"??? He had a few so-so games in '04 but was statistically as good as any corner in the NFL for catches, yards against and TDs allowed for the entire season.

 

[Hostile]

When people get compared to Nors it is for one reason more than any other.

Nors stated things as fact and when confronted about what was wrong NEVER could back up what he said with anything other than his opinion and spin control. It usually included some form of accusation about the poster who dared contradict him.

When asked for facts to back up his claims he couldn't ever produce them. All the while spinning it back as the other person's task since they brought it up.

Bring up the facts that proved him wrong and they were always discounted.

Nors opinion carried more weight in his mind than the rest of the world combined and he was always a victim of persecution for his intelligance.

When opinions weigh more than facts people will notice. Just food for thought.

 

[dozin_theknick]

OK, who would you rather have than Newman? If you pick Chump Bailey you lose all credibility immediately. Remember a snowy night in Denver? Or, if you had the draft pick all over again, would you pick another corner?

 

[koolaid]

Newman doesn't follow the opponent's best receiver on every play in every game (no cornerback in the NFL does that). He plays his position and covers whoever lines up against him.

McCardell had one catch for 16 yards against Newman. Santana Moss had one catch for 9 yards (in two games) against Newman. Lloyd didn't catch a pass against Newman. Randy Moss didn't catch a pass against Newman. Roy Williams had three catches for 35 yards against Newman. Kennison had one catch for 22 yards. Those six guys COMBINED for six catches for 82 yards on 14 pass attempts against Newman.

Against Steve Smith, Terrell Owens, Torry Holt, Anquan Boldin, Larry Fitzgerald, Rod Smith and Amani Toomer, Newman allowed a TOTAL of six catches for 84 yards on 15 attempts.

thats crazy awsome, thanks for that piece of info