Do We Overrate Newman?

HeavyHitta31 said:
Dont argue for what I believe? Ok :rolleyes:
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MANY people in here argue for what they believe in on this board, nowhere near the same amount get lumped into a class close to nors.

If you can't figure it out, that is on you.:cool:
 
InmanRoshi said:
But would you agree that general consenses, even on this board, is that Newman doesn't make many interceptions? I've seen it several times on this thread alone.

So not only is he underrated on a national level, I would say he's underrated on this board considering there is very little truth in his main criticism.
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I dont know about others, but that has never been my criticism of him. In 2004, his confidence seemed shattered and he was too worried about giving up the big play. He corrected that in 2005, but he still has a lot of room for improvement.
 
BrAinPaiNt said:
MANY people in here argue for what they believe in on this board, nowhere near the same amount get lumped into a class close to nors.

If you can't figure it out, that is on you.:cool:
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Many on here agree with the masses just so they dont get bashed for saying what they think.
 
I really don't think he is overrated... I watched every game last year and he rarely gave up a catch that wasn't some short giveup route and he was a force in run support.. something most of these "cover corners" don't even come close to doing.

So no.. he's not overrated.. he's just that good. I don't recall any one game that he even had what you would term a bad day... like chad johnson going off on champ bailey..
 
my take,champ bailey didnt promote himself..or try to be fancy or anything..but he got alot of props...newman is a good corner,but yes he is overrated in cowboy land...he is good but not elite....
 
HeavyHitta31 said:
Many on here agree with the masses just so they dont get bashed for saying what they think.
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There are MANY people who argue a great deal, who argue about things that many may not agree with.

Difference is they do it in a respectable manner or in a manner that makes people think about what they say instead of just seeing a guy acting like a pain in the butt.
 
HeavyHitta31 said:
Read past threads. I've always held that Newman was overrated on these boards. He's good, yes, but the minute Adam threw out that "he didnt give up a TD all year" stat, he was annointed the best coverage corner in football right there on the spot and no one has looked back sense.
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Man, you like to throw out wild generalizations that have no basis in fact when it suits your point.
 
HeavyHitta31 said:
And without Peyton Manning, the Colts are far worse off. Does that mean he is underrated? Terribly flawed logic :rolleyes:
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this has nothing to do with Manning,just Newman.without Newman our Defense(secondary) would stink.
 
djdoug said:
this has nothing to do with Manning,just Newman.without Newman our Defense(secondary) would stink.
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I agree, however I still dont see how that equates to him being underrated when everyone already acknowledges this. It has nothing to do with Manning because that would destroy your point.
 
HeavyHitta31 said:
Again, you wont hear me talking badly of T-New or his INT totals. I'm just sayign he is not the best cover corner in football, not yet anyway.
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I don't think anyone here is.
 
Vintage said:
I mean, outside of us (Dallas fans) no one really mentions him as a top tier corner.

Again, I understand the whole media/exposure angle that certain CBs have that Newman doesn't...

However, you would think somewhere, if he was really all that good, someone other than Dr. Z would have noticed.

The same Dr.Z who once listed Mario Edwards as one of the best CBs in the league.


Somewhere, someone (a fan, or a writer) would have to notice if Newman was as good as we say/think he is...

I am not implying Newman isn't good or anything of that sort....
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I don't really buy the "someone other that Dr. Z would have noticed" as a factual statement. Announcers, analysts and experts are geared towards rating and they want to pump up the big names and the guys with the big numbers at all costs. Most of these types I generally find to be clueless when it comes to football. For example, every time I hear an announcer say "the safety is always supposed to play deeper than the deepest" I wonder if he has ever watched anything outside of high school football because NFL teams would just always send one WR deep and that would draw double or triple coverage and the offense would have a field day.

Dr. Z. on the other hand generally has a much better idea of how the game works and does a far better job of analyzing it. I wouldn't look for game analysis from guys like Pete Prisco, Peter King, or Sean Salisbury if I got paid to do. And Z was right, Mario Edwards was very good in 2002. Of course back then the illegal chuck and pass interference rules were laxed, so that that played to Edwards' advantage.

I've talked to KC Joyner and he generally agrees with me that Newman is at least Pro Bowl worthy. He didn't have his stats compiled, but he was considering Newman as one of his best CB's.

Despite being a Cowboys fan, I have no reason to overrate Newman. I'm not a friend, a family member or an agent. I like to study football and see how the parts work. If one of the parts works poorly and it's on my favorite machine, I want it replaced. If one of the parts works better than any other part you can find, it deserves the proper credit.

I've seen Newman dominate receivers and not give up 1 single TD in 2005. Outside of Deltha O'Neal, I can't say the same for every top flight CB in the league. If I'm overrating Newman, it's because that this is his first year of dominating in this fashion. But considering it's only his 3rd year in the league, I've got to believe this is just a sign of things to come.

Rich................
 
SultanOfSix said:
Man, you like to throw out wild generalizations that have no basis in fact when it suits your point.
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What "wild generalization" did I throw out? That people ragged on Newman until Adam brought up that stat?
 
HeavyHitta31 said:
What "wild generalization" did I throw out? That people ragged on Newman until Adam brought up that stat?
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Read the bolded part.
 
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