Do you agree with "Sudden Death" Overtime?

[blindzebra]

The college rule blows. It removes special teams from the equation...except for kickers. Puts the defense at a great disadvantage. Plus they start too damned close, one first down and you are in chip-shot range.

You should play either an 8 minute period or both teams get one possession before sudden death begins.

Perhaps the college rule without spotting the ball? Have a coin toss, kick off, return, possession, score and kick off, turnover or punt the other team completes their possession. If one team is ahead game over, if tied repeat.

 

[jackrussell]

Up till Thursday's game, 382 NFL regular season games have gone to OT, with 200(52.4%) being won by the team winning the toss, 166(43.4%) being won by the team losing the toss, and 16 ties(4.2%). So, in essence, the team losing the toss has a 47.6% chance of not losing the game, so there is, however slight, an advantage, to winning the toss as far as winning the game.

But when discussing the equality of OT, and equating it to the team that wins the toss, you are looking past the even odds that the NFL grants each team after contesting 60 minutes without a distinct victor. And those even odds are, the coin toss itself, a 50/50 proposition given each team, therefore making the concept of even handedness correct. Any debate of results past the toss is irrelevent, because at some point in any contest, an advantage is going to be taken by one or the other.

A debate could be made by the team winning the coin toss at the beginning of every game. I'm sure there are some statistics that show one way or another the team winning(or losing) that toss has a historical advantage of success(or failure). So if you're looking at one coin toss, you'd have to look at the other.

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[ctalker]

I can't stand the college overtime. The NFL overtime doesn't bother me at all. I would prefer to see an additional quater of play added instead of sudden death, but no complaints here.

 

[TwoDeep3]

I see no difference between this post-loss complaining and the Commanders fans whinning about the refs.

We make plays, we win. OT or not.

For all the comments we make laughing at those pitiful people that follow the Skins, how are we any better if we whine about the rules that have been in place forever? When said whine is after a loss and not when we eek one out?

It isn't.

I prefer to take the losses like a man.

 

[jimmy40]

I see no difference between this post-loss complaining and the Commanders fans whinning about the refs.

We make plays, we win. OT or not.

For all the comments we make laughing at those pitiful people that follow the Skins, how are we any better if we whine about the rules that have been in place forever? When said whine is after a loss and not when we eek one out?

It isn't.

I prefer to take the losses like a man.

Best post of the year. :toast:

 

[Cowboy4ever]

well i dont think just because we have a discussion about a system of overtime we are complaining about the game thursday. The rules are the rules we live or die by them, and no complaining is going to change that. That does not however mean, we can't have a discussion about whehter or not a the OT system in the NFL is fair or not. It puts the Defense at a huge disadvantage. I also think that the college OT rule is a joke and i would hate if the NFL went to that system. I do like sudden death. First team to score wins, period. The changes I would make are simple, remove FG from overtime, give the defense a fighting chance. Also give each team one review each, period. Play til someone scores a TD.

 

[TwoDeep3]

well i dont think just because we have a discussion about a system of overtime we are complaining about the game thursday. The rules are the rules we live or die by them, and no complaining is going to change that. That does not however mean, we can't have a discussion about whehter or not a the OT system in the NFL is fair or not. It puts the Defense at a huge disadvantage. I also think that the college OT rule is a joke and i would hate if the NFL went to that system. I do like sudden death. First team to score wins, period. The changes I would make are simple, remove FG from overtime, give the defense a fighting chance. Also give each team one review each, period. Play til someone scores a TD.

Make this point after the Giants game, and I am applauding you.

Make this point after the Denver game and it is suspect of whinning verging on a Commanders temper tantrum.

 

[Cowboy4ever]

Make this point after the Giants game, and I am applauding you.

Make this point after the Denver game and it is suspect of whinning verging on a Commanders temper tantrum.

Ok,, my bad,, Can u please furnish me with a list of topics We can discuss that will not be considered Whinning or on the verge of a temper tantrum?? I guess its ok to blow up on a player on the team,, right? We can tell our players how much they suck! We can come to conclusions about their efforts on the feild from our couch in our house, right? Those are all ok,, but if we try to have a discussion about a system that is employed by the NFL,, well that's just being a baby. Please forgive us for having thoughts about something that offends you! If u will furnish me a list of topics that are suitable for discussion, i will try to stay within the guidelines so i wont be Whinning!

 

[Qwickdraw]

so why dont we quit allowing teams to play games at home too, since they have a slight advantage in winning%...lets move every game to neutral sites

but if thats not feasible, we could make it more even from now on we can have the visiting team select one opposing key player inactive as well, further evening the odds

come on people

David

Actually dbair, ALL teams get to play equal number of home and away games so therefor it is fair.

50/50

Split down the middle.

You'd have a point however if teams had the ability to earn more home games than others say with... a cointoss?


My question is not really about how fair or unfair the cointoss method is but rather how hard it is to swallow the losses that come as a result of it.
I like having a clock and a set time frame for which to perform.
Not an "any-minute-now-the-game-could-be-over" status.

 

[BrassCowboy]

I happen to like the sudden death OT... everybody has the same rules.

but if you had to change it, and to avoid the college crap when teams keep tying

why don't it just be like each team has to be on offense once, then if still tie, go to sudden death

 

[Qwickdraw]

This is a legitimate poll question not a result of being sore about our last game.

I have never liked the way OT is handled and what better time to poll the group on it than now, after we lose by it?

 

[arglebargle]

The college system of OT ends up being glorified scrimmages. Don't like it at all. Don't think it helps the game either. IF you don't want to take your chances in sudden death overtime, win the game in regulation....

 

[dbair1967]

This is a legitimate poll question not a result of being sore about our last game.

I have never liked the way OT is handled and what better time to poll the group on it than now, after we lose by it?

there's nothing wrong with it...if the team winning the coin toss were winning a dramatically higher % of games, you'd have an argument...but since they are winning just a tad more than 50% of the time, I dont see the point

besides, if you have a good defense and lose the toss but cant prevent the other team from moving down field and scoring when you HAVE to have a stop, you probably dont deserve to win anyway

David

 

[Qwickdraw]

there's nothing wrong with it...if the team winning the coin toss were winning a dramatically higher % of games, you'd have an argument...but since they are winning just a tad more than 50% of the time, I dont see the point

besides, if you have a good defense and lose the toss but cant prevent the other team from moving down field and scoring when you HAVE to have a stop, you probably dont deserve to win anyway

David

You're still missing the point of my question and gripe.

I am NOT disputing the fairness of OT even though there is an obvious (although maybe only slight) advantage to the cointoss winner...

I am stating my opposition to the current OT method because I despise losing in this fashion more than I enjoy winning in this fashion. I would at least like the ability for both teams to get another chance to play against the clock versus sudden death.

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

No and the challenge system must also go.....but as you can tell with the new rules and amount of commercials they are doing everything they can to equal the playing filed with Baseball and Baskettball.

Afterall NFL football ratings are still at the top so they keep watering it down like Bourbon Street after Rita..Katrina whatever..they even give hurricaines the same name and their ratings beat baseball and baskettball too.

 

[Silverstar]

Look, we already adopted the 2 point conversion. What's next...one foot in bounds?

I like sudden death, but a two out of three coin toss would satisfy me a little more though.

 

[kmp77]

How about in OT, the winner of the coin toss gets the ball. If they score, the other team has one possession to equal their score. If they don't, game over. If they do equal their score, the game now becomes sudden death with the next score ending it.

About the # of feet inbounds...whatever it is, both college and nfl should be the same on that one.

 

[jay cee]

Best post of the year. :toast:

I vote most ridiculous post of the year. Just because someone does not like the NFL overtime rule, does not mean they are whining.

I have never liked sudden death overtime. I also hated that for many years here in Texas, tie games in the playoffs were decided by the number of penetrations inside the opponents 20 yard line.

Some rules you like, some you don't. No big deal.

Voicing your disagreement with a rule does not mean you are whining.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

Sour Grapes boys. We won against NY when we got the ball 1st. This time, it bit us in the butt. **** happens. Dont go to OT, you avoid this kinda thing.

 

[The30YardSlant]

they've showed the stats for this a million times over...the team winning the toss only has a very slight advantage in winning% of OT games

the college OT rule is ridiculous IMO...too many 24-24 games turn into 55-52 or something because of it

David

For a game to go from 24-24 to 55-52, it would require AT LEAST 4 overtimes, and thats assuming both teams scored a TD every OT. Only 2 D-1A college games have EVER reached 4 OTs

Nice work Matlock

BTW, the team that wins the toss wins the game 62% of the time