Do you have complete trust in Romo now?

[THUMPER]

Thats not what I meant. Those guys have 3 rings each. They are cold, calculating, and run the offense like computers. None of them are scrambling around and throwing one deep because there is a pass rush coming. THEY TAKE CARE OF THE BALL.

If you can't see the difference between Romo's game and the 3 guys I mentioned, Maybe you should put down the silver and blue glasses.

You mean like Staubach and Elway used to do? How about Tarkenton? Yeah, those guys sucked!

Romo has a different style than Montana, Aikman, and Brady but he is every bit as talented as they were/are. He has produced at a level that NONE of those three ever did (see my previous post for more on that). Yeah, they take care of the ball but they also don't produce the number of big plays that Romo does.

What has more value, an INT or a TD? A TD is 7 points while an INT MIGHT lead to points or it might not. A TD IS 7 points, guaranteed (well OK 6 points technically but you get the idea). My point is that throwing more TDs is better than throwing fewer INTs.

Once Tony's team comes up to the level of the teams those guys led to SB wins we will have a few more Lombardi's in the trophy case. You can take that to the bank!

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I have confidence that he will turn it around in December this year. I do expect a boneheaded play every now and then, but I suspect it will happen with less frequency this year due to the criticism he got at the end of last season.

He seems to "get it" now.

 

[Doomsday101]

Joe had thrown 3 INTs in that 1981 NFC Championship game before throwing the pass to Dwight Clark in the end zone. We still would have won the game if not for a couple of bad breaks AFTER "The Catch".

Also, people tend to focus ONLY on Romo's mistakes and not on all the big plays he makes for us. His TD% is nearly double Aikman's but his INT% is only half a percent higher: Romo TD% 6.2, INT% 3.52, Aikman TD% 3.5, INT% 2.99.

Romo's TD% is a full percent higher than Montana's was (5.06%) or Dan Marino's (5.03%). Of recent QBs only Peyton Manning has a higher TD% than Romo at 6.71%. Tom Brady's career TD% is 5.39.

When looking at how a QB plays you have to take into account both his positive and negative plays. Romo has a career completion% of 63.58 which is 2 full percent higher than Aikman's 61.46 and Troy was the most accurate QB I've ever seen play. He takes very few sacks and the number of big plays he produces is phenomenal! Yes he has fumbled a lot but that is correctable and has been addressed.

One thing I have learned over the years is legends never made mistake. People remember only the good they don’t remember the mistakes.

I also understand for many the QB and SB go hand in hand and that is how some will judge a QB.

For me I understand teams win SB and judge the QB by his play. Romo puts this team in position to win but he is not going to carry the team we need guys to step up in critical moments both offense and defense as well as special team if we are to achieve the goal of winning a SB

 

[THUMPER]

One thing I have learned over the years is legends never made mistake. People remember only the good they don’t remember the mistakes.

I also understand for many the QB and SB go hand in hand and that is how some will judge a QB.

For me I understand teams win SB and judge the QB by his play. Romo puts this team in position to win but he is not going to carry the team we need guys to step up in critical moments both offense and defense as well as special team if we are to achieve the goal of winning a SB

Great points. How many times was Staubach given a chance to win a big game due to a big play by a guy like Larry Cole stopping Riggins behind the line or a receiver making a great catch? EVERY QB needs his teammates to step up and make big plays at crucial moments.

Our defense completely crumbled last year against the Ravens even though Romo kept bringing us back, that's what is missing on this team right now. Everyone is quick to give Eli Manning credit for winning the SB in 2007 but it was the Giants' D-Line that won in the playoffs and SB. They were the ones that really stepped up and shut down the opposing team. Plus every QB looks better when the defense is playing well.

 

[zrinkill]

Complete trust? Uh...no. When he stops making some ridiculous throws like he did last week on that pick, I'll have complete trust in him.

I love the guy, don't get me wrong, but complete trust is reserved for guys who flat out don't make mistakes. The Aikmans, Montana's and Brady's of the world.

I'm not saying Romo can't get there, but he's got a little too much gunslinger in him for me to ever have "complete trust" in him. JMO

In Troy Aikmans first 3 years as starter for the Cowboys he had 46 interceptions in 38 games.

In Tony Romo's first 3 years as a starter for the Cowboys he has 46 interceptions in 39 games.

Pretty close considering one is a "gunslinger" and the other never made any mistakes.

In Troy Aikmans 4th year as a starter he had 14 interceptions (and a SB win)

Lets see how Tony does this year.

Anyone want to compare their fumbles now?

 

[Boyzmamacita]

One thing I have learned over the years is legends never made mistake. People remember only the good they don’t remember the mistakes.

I also understand for many the QB and SB go hand in hand and that is how some will judge a QB.

For me I understand teams win SB and judge the QB by his play. Romo puts this team in position to win but he is not going to carry the team we need guys to step up in critical moments both offense and defense as well as special team if we are to achieve the goal of winning a SB

As great as Aikman, Brady and Montana are/were, each of them had guys step up during the course of their Super Bowl success. You can say they "carried" their teams, but those were some pretty darn good teams they had on their backs, don't you think? Hopefully, the Cowboys will finally put it all together and make a run starting this year. And Romo can gladly carry them as the TEAM steps it up.

 

[CowboyMike]

You mean like Staubach and Elway used to do? How about Tarkenton? Yeah, those guys sucked!

Not to mention the fact that Montana's defining play was made when he scrambled to the right and threw a prayer of a pass with three Dallas defenders in his face into double coverage.

Plus, that was a better reception by Dwight Clark than it was a pass by Joe Montana. If anyone wants to talk about throwing 'stupid passes'...

There's a reason it's called "The Catch" and not "The Throw".

 

[THUMPER]

Roger Staubach is my all-time favorite QB but he had some major meltdowns in big games. Some "low-lites" from the playoffs:

1972 - NFC Championship game vs Commanders: 9 of 20 for 98 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 60.0 rating. We lost 3-26.

1973 - NFC Championship game vs Vikings: 10 of 21 for 89 yards, 0 TDs, 4 INTs, 19.8 rating. We lost 10-27.

1975 - SB vs Stealers: 15 of 24 for 204 yards, 2 TDs, 3 INTs 77.8 rating. We lost 17-21.

1976 - Divisional playoff vs Rams: 15 of 37 for 150 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs, 19.0 rating. We lost 12-14.

1979 - Divisional playoff vs Rams: 12 of 28 for 124 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 53.3 rating. We lost 19-21.

Overall in those 5 games Roger was: 61 of 130 for 665 yards, 46.9%, 3 TDs, 11 INTs, and a 34.9 passer rating. Man, did he suck in big games!

Obviously, you can't simply take a handful of games and equate a career from them. Staubach retired as the highest rated QB in NFL history (behind Otto Graham when you include Graham's AAFC stats though). He was 11-6 in the playoffs and we won 2 SBs with him at QB.

To negate all of the great things Romo has done for us because we haven't won much in Dec and Jan is myopic at best and blindly biased at worst.

 

[THUMPER]

Not to mention the fact that Montana's defining play was made when he scrambled to the right and threw a prayer of a pass with three Dallas defenders in his face into double coverage.

Plus, that was a better reception by Dwight Clark than it was a pass by Joe Montana. If anyone wants to talk about throwing 'stupid passes'...

There's a reason it's called "The Catch" and not "The Throw".

Wait, isn't that exactly what...

Great point!

 

[Doomsday101]

As great as Aikman, Brady and Montana are/were, each of them had guys step up during the course of their Super Bowl success. You can say they "carried" their teams, but those were some pretty darn good teams they had on their backs, don't you think? Hopefully, the Cowboys will finally put it all together and make a run starting this year. And Romo can gladly carry them as the TEAM steps it up.

I said Romo is "not" going to carry them he can help put them in position but others have to step up and make the plays both on the offensive side and defensive side of the ball if this team is to achive the goals. QB no doubt play a big part but none I have ever seen has been able to do it without big plays coming from others on both sides of the ball.

 

[Doomsday101]

Not to mention the fact that Montana's defining play was made when he scrambled to the right and threw a prayer of a pass with three Dallas defenders in his face into double coverage.

Plus, that was a better reception by Dwight Clark than it was a pass by Joe Montana. If anyone wants to talk about throwing 'stupid passes'...

There's a reason it's called "The Catch" and not "The Throw".

Same for The Hail Mary by Roger was just as the name says. It took Pearson going up and fighting for the ball then getting into the endzone. On the other hand you look at the game where "The Catch" that game was saved in the end by a finger tip as Pearson was unable to break a tackle on a White pass that would have changed the entire outcome of the game. In the end it was All Montana that was praised and White left to take the blame yet the differance was what others did Clark made the play he needed to and this time Pearson was unable to.

 

[jackrussell]

As a chick magnet?

Absolutely.

 

[Clove]

I trust Romo to move the ball up and down the field, sometimes the guy gets cocky after completing pass after pass and just slings one up there, he's got to get that out of his system if he ever wants to be a January Quarterback.

 

[TNCowboy]

Romo is one of the most prolific QBs ever for his first 3 years of starting. And prior to December, his #s may be without peer, ever. His September to November #s are unreal, and so is his record.

Someone can correct my math if I'm wrong, but I think Romo's record is 23-4 in the first 12 weeks of the season, and 4-8 in the final four. And again, I may have miscounted, but his TD/INT through the first 12 games for his career is an almost unbelievable 67/29. But in the final four? 14/17. That's not an aberration, nor is it just a reflection of the team around him. He's played poorly to finish the year, right along with the rest of the team.

The comparisons of how younger QBs were at the beginning of their careers is irrelevant; Romo is 29 years old now. All that matters is Romo and his own play, especially whether or not he can finish off a season the way he starts it. And if he doesn't start to do that, we won't be celebrating lifting #6 any time soon, nor will there be any legitimate comparison of Romo to any all-time greats.

 

[Clove]

Roger Staubach is my all-time favorite QB but he had some major meltdowns in big games. Some "low-lites" from the playoffs:

1972 - NFC Championship game vs Commanders: 9 of 20 for 98 yards, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 60.0 rating. We lost 3-26.

1973 - NFC Championship game vs Vikings: 10 of 21 for 89 yards, 0 TDs, 4 INTs, 19.8 rating. We lost 10-27.

1975 - SB vs Stealers: 15 of 24 for 204 yards, 2 TDs, 3 INTs 77.8 rating. We lost 17-21.

1976 - Divisional playoff vs Rams: 15 of 37 for 150 yards, 0 TDs, 3 INTs, 19.0 rating. We lost 12-14.

1979 - Divisional playoff vs Rams: 12 of 28 for 124 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 53.3 rating. We lost 19-21.

Overall in those 5 games Roger was: 61 of 130 for 665 yards, 46.9%, 3 TDs, 11 INTs, and a 34.9 passer rating. Man, did he suck in big games!

Obviously, you can't simply take a handful of games and equate a career from them. Staubach retired as the highest rated QB in NFL history (behind Otto Graham when you include Graham's AAFC stats though). He was 11-6 in the playoffs and we won 2 SBs with him at QB.

To negate all of the great things Romo has done for us because we haven't won much in Dec and Jan is myopic at best and blindly biased at worst.

AT some point, at some point, at some point, you actually have to win a play off game, agree or disagree?

 

[Doomsday101]

AT some point, at some point, at some point, you actually have to win a play off game, agree or disagree?

At some point this team needs to win playoff games for Dallas. Romo can't block and he can't catch it for others he does not play defense the failure of this team have been team failures. I agree Romo to has to elevate his play as do many

 

[Nightshade]

Great Thread!

I don't have a great deal of trust in Romo right now. I know he's got great ability but the end of the season results have been disheartening the past couple of years.

Last year I do blame the defense and the O-line more than Romo for the collapse. But as the QB he does shoulder some of the blame. I think this year will be much improved for him but we'll have to see if he can remain consistent in the last couple month of the season into the playoffs. Thanks to Thumper and Sonyboy for the great positive points and some sunshine for me going into the fall and the new season. Maybe we do have a star playing QB for the cowboys now. But I'm still going to have to stick with the hedge my bets "We'll See" answer to this thread. Lets hope the D and O-line play doesn't let him down again in the latter half of the season.

 

[CoCo]

I was sold on Romo after he saved the 2006 season.

I believe he is plenty good enough to help us win a playoff game and SB if we surround him with the right players. No one does it on their own.

When you list problems areas that hold this team back, QB is not on my list.

Greatness doesn't belong solely to those who have had the good fortune to be on a championship team.

 

[CowboyWay]

Their teams won SB none of them ever did it alone. Dallas as a team has played bad football towards the end of the season to lay that all on Romo is ridicules. This attitude that QB's win SB is idiotic

Find me where I laid the end of season blame on Romo? I'll wait.

The topic at hand is "trust". And until he stops being careless with the football, both in picks and fumbles, he won't earn my "full trust", which is what the OP was asking.

I could be a blind homer and say "Oh yeah baby, Romo all the way, he's awesome. WOOHOOO". But I won't.

 

[CowboyWay]

In Troy Aikmans first 3 years as starter for the Cowboys he had 46 interceptions in 38 games.

In Tony Romo's first 3 years as a starter for the Cowboys he has 46 interceptions in 39 games.

And Troy didn't have my trust until we went to the superbowl.

Thats how it works. You show me you can do it, and I'll trust you. Its pretty simple really.