Do you have complete trust in Romo now?

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Judas;2920305 said:
So exactly when do you blame a person on the team?

I normally blame a lot more than 1 when the team loses and give credit to more than 1 when we win. I have never said Romo is without fault but I also know he has the ability to help this team achieve their goals.
 

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Judas;2920187 said:
We're not talking about anybody, we're talking about Romo.

But I can already see this conversation is going no where, because we see 2 different things. I just wish the QB would get paid like a kicker or a LB since he's no different when it comes to blame.

Unfortunately, he is held to a higher standard, which is why he get's paid top dollar. He's paid to be the reason a team gets over the hump, yes him and him alone. Otherwise, give him chump change and lump him in with the rest.

No, he's not. The only reasonable way to evaluate QB play is to compare them to their peers across the league. By that comparison, Romo's a very good player. Evaluating the QB on a team objective for the reason that he's the one who's paid the most makes no logical sense at all.
 

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Idgit;2920324 said:
No, he's not. The only reasonable way to evaluate QB play is to compare them to their peers across the league. By that comparison, Romo's a very good player. Evaluating the QB on a team objective for the reason that he's the one who's paid the most makes no logical sense at all.
Why do you pay a QB the most money, put on your owners cap for a second?
 

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Doomsday101;2920315 said:
I normally blame a lot more than 1 when the team loses and give credit to more than 1 when we win. I have never said Romo is without fault but I also know he has the ability to help this team achieve their goals.
If this is the case, why do guys get replaced when it wasn't just their fault?
 

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CowboyMike;2919663 said:
Yeah, because Troy Aikman, Joe Montana, and Tom Brady never threw interceptions or lost games due to bad plays. :rolleyes:


I think the point is that they didnt/dont have gunslinger mentalities. No one is perfect...mistakes happen, but you will see it alot more with qbs like romo or favre over aikman and brady.

Sometimes i think people look for a reason to be sarcastic on this board.
 

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Judas;2920333 said:
If this is the case, why do guys get replaced when it wasn't just their fault?

Teams will always look to upgrade a position. QB itself is not an easy one to find quality players and when you get one you should feel a bit grateful that you do have one of the better QB's in the league. I can promise you any game that is played you will find plenty of mistakes that help lead to a team losing it is not one mistake by 1 person.
 

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I'm sorry I won't be here to answer your questions to doomsday and idgit, I have to run, but I'd like to add this before I leave.

I'm on Romo's bandwagon, I like him and his attitude. I think he has all the tools to be a Suepr Bowl QB and I pray that it starts this year.

But if all Romo has to do is just simply not HURT your team in clutch games, I'll gladly take all of his flashy plays away from him. Some QBs don't make many plays, but what they do do is, they prevent the horrible play that could lead to a team loss.

If a Tackle consistantly misses blocks, he'll be replaced. If a kicker makes 55 yards all the time, but can't make a 35 yarder in a huge game, with the game on the line, and he does this all the time, he's replaced.

If a cornerback consistantly gives up the big play, but shuts down the small stuff, he'll be replaced, I think you get the picture.

So here's to Romo not only making big plays, but preventing the horrible play in clutch situations.
 

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Judas;2920346 said:
I'm sorry I won't be here to answer your questions to doomsday and idgit, I have to run, but I'd like to add this before I leave.

I'm on Romo's bandwagon, I like him and his attitude. I think he has all the tools to be a Suepr Bowl QB and I pray that it starts this year.

But if all Romo has to do is just simply not HURT your team in clutch games, I'll gladly take all of his flashy plays away from him. Some QBs don't make many plays, but what they do do is, they prevent the horrible play that could lead to a team loss.

If a Tackle consistantly misses blocks, he'll be replaced. If a kicker makes 55 yards all the time, but can't make a 35 yarder in a huge game, with the game on the line, and he does this all the time, he's replaced.

If a cornerback consistantly gives up the big play, but shuts down the small stuff, he'll be replaced, I think you get the picture.

So here's to Romo not only making big plays, but preventing the horrible play in clutch situations.

Romo has hit big plays in clutch games as well. I hate to tell you but Roger Staubach did not win ever clutch situation in his career. We remember the ones he did but there were many times we came up short where he did not get it done.
 

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JonJon;2920255 said:
Puh-lease....This game was hardly "do or die" and the season definitely wasn't on the line.

So everyone points out the Giants game when Emmitt carried the team to a win to secure home field advantage as an important must win game, but when Romo plays lights out against the Packers to secure home field advantage it is dismissed? Please.

Like I said, he has lost a few "must win" games. But he's won a few too. That's the point I was trying to make. You can't only look at the bad when you decide to judge him on that. Look at the good too.
 

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I don't have "complete" confidence in any mortal person. However, I have as much confidence in Romo as I would with anyone else QB'ing our team with the possible exception of Peyton or Brady. (Although I'd puke if we got Brady).

My only concern with Romo was his fumbles, and I don't know how much of that had to do with him not securing the ball and how much had to do with the finger being weakened. It was mostly not securing the ball IMO, but it looks like he's made a concerted effort to correct that this year.

I'm not really concerned about his TD/INT ratio which could be better, but is still more than acceptable.

I love his quick release, his escapability and how he's always looking downfield to pass when he's on the run.
 

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CowboyMike;2920374 said:
So everyone points out the Giants game when Emmitt carried the team to a win to secure home field advantage as an important must win game, but when Romo plays lights out against the Packers to secure home field advantage it is dismissed? Please.

Like I said, he has lost a few "must win" games. But he's won a few too. That's the point I was trying to make. You can't only look at the bad when you decide to judge him on that. Look at the good too.

I'm not discrediting the good. I just don't see the Packers game as important as a "lose and go home" game. Those are the ones that I think Romo needs the most improvements at. Believe me, I want to see it done; I want to see him lead the team to multiple SB victories. I wouldn't be a fan if I didn't. I'm just not there yet when it comes to fully trusting him because he has failed more than succeeded in those type games.
 

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LeonDixson;2920408 said:
I'm not really concerned about his TD/INT ratio which could be better, but is still more than acceptable.

You are right, it could be better since there are 8 QBs ahead of him All-Time!

That's right, he is 9th all-time in TD/INT ratio at 1.76.

The 8 guys ahead of him are:

1. Tom Brady 197-86 = 2.29
2. Steve Young 232-207 = 2.17
3. Philip Rivers 78-36 = 2.17
4. Donovan McNabb 194-90 = 2.16
5. Peyton Manning 333-165 = 2.02
6. Joe Montana 273-139 = 1.96
7. Jeff Garcia 161-83 = 1.94
8. Neil O'Donnell 120-68 = 1.765
9. Tony Romo 81-46 = 1.761 just a fraction behind O'Donnell.

Drew Brees is 13th, Dan Marino is 14th, Brett Favre is 23rd, Big Ben is 24th, Jay Cutler is 27th, Staubach is 31st, John Elway is 43rd, & Eli Manning is 44th.

Just to put a little perspective on things.
 

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Judas;2920331 said:
Why do you pay a QB the most money, put on your owners cap for a second?

Because it's the most important position on the field. But you still only evaluate him relative to his competition at the position. Not by comparing him to how entire teams perform. He's got nothing to do with defense or special teams at all, for example, and that's a huge part of winning a championship.
 

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The argument from Dallas fans about Romo shows an insecurity that fans of the Colts and Pats don't seem to exhibit. It comes closer to the Giants and Eagles fans who continually justify their player with flawed logic.

The QB position is the most visible, most important, and most responsible position on the field. Any argument to the contrary ignores that this guy touches the ball on all the offensive snaps other than the special teams plays and this idiotic wildcat thing that will fade faster than Milli Vanilli's career.

You cannot put the onus on one player who is more instrumental than the quarterback with any credibility. People who attempt to make this point show their real intent when they try and justify their quarterback's play by suggesting it's the fault of someone else.

The responsibility of the quarterback has never been more crucial than this era of the game. This includes the time when quarterbacks called their own plays. Because defenses have become much more technically elaborate and complicated. And the quarterback is responsible for reading defenses, calling line play, audibling out of bad plays, and finding open receivers all while pass rushes that have gone from tough to down right scary have developed.

This may end up being the golden age of the quarterback. To dismiss his involvement in every facet of the offense has an agenda for most.

Romo has a skill set that puts him in the top echelon of quarterbacks today. The fastest gun in the west, he can deliver the ball quicker than any other QB in the game.

I don't believe he is as accurate as some state. He does have some top skills at this, but two routes he continually misses on are crossing routes and the deep ball.

He is behind the receiver on the drag and other routes that have the receiver crossing in front of his face. I wonder sometimes all the YAC that are left o the field when receivers have to reach back and change body angles to snatch the ball then cannot recover before the defender gets there.

Deep balls are always a mystery when he tosses them. He seems to have a real problem with the speed of Austin, because I would bet that combo misses more than the league average on passes where the ball flies over twenty-yards.

Decision making has been a real problem for Romo. The gunslinger moniker doesn't justify his boneheaded go-for-broke attitude when it appears he is going to throw the ball come hell or high water.

His ball security is lacking, and I suggest this is because he has small hands for his position.

But the good news. He is starting to understand a wild-eyed throw, or a fumble is within his control and he can change the face of his game by concentrating on holding the ball with two hands, and not just tossing it up for grabs when he can toss it out of bounds or perhaps take a sack and reload.

Roger Staubach dazzled people and after the 9ers game when he brought the team back in 1969/70 you just knew this guy had it. Not just all the skill sets, but the mental game to lift the team around him.

Aikman was a man's man and the most accurate quarterback I have ever seen. And I have seen every season this team has played. There was a no-nonsense attitude married with his leadership and skills that caused you to know he was a winner.

He was workman-like in his dissection of defenses, and you could see his focus was winning, and he would accept nothing less.

Even during the 1-15 season, there were times he exhibited the fortitude that caused you to say this guy is the real deal. Can you ever forget the TD pass in the Az game when he was unconscious before the ball got to the receiver because of the blitzing linebacker, but he stood his ground?

Aikman exuded champion long before he waqs one.

Romo has a different style. He is a little less serious in the press and on game day. Just his demeanor. But there are things I see in him now that were not there a couple of years ago. He is starting to don the harness of the leader of this team.

I am not yet to the point that I believe unequivocally that he is the next in line for a ring. He still needs to exhibit the traits he is working on including raising the team on his back and carrying them to the finish line if need be.

But I am now officially excited about this season - and winning it all is not the requisite for me to believe this kid has stepped into the Big Boy shoes.

This is Romo's team. They will go just as far as he takes them.

He has all the tools to take them a long way if he controls turnovers and holds people accountable for they play on offense.

He now need only deliver.
 

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Romo's a quality quarterback regardless of public opinion, so a better question would be, "Why would anyone feel that they must have a set level of confidence in Romo"? A fan's personal confidence in Romo will not affect his level of play one iota.

Years ago, I recall having a similar conversation with a few Cowboy fans who admitted having little, some and/or a lot of confidence in Aikman early during his second or third season. My counter-argument was that it should be confidence in the team as a whole since good quarterbacks alone do not win squat.

Back then, I didn't have the opportunity to discuss football with Bronco fans. If I had, I may have asked one or two if they felt extremely confident in Elway; and if so, did it matter how confident they felt about their team during those three Super Bowl losses in the 80's?

That was nearly twenty years ago. Oh well. There's always this thread. :popcorn:
 

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juckie;2919605 said:
I believe I have finally started to have complete trust in him.I sometimes get caught in the hype of him choking.I however, then relaize he only started 2.5 years so far.I used to think before a game well he will sling and make the game competitive but he will also throw a pick or two.I think as he matures and calms the turnovers added to his wonderful ability to make a play when it breaks down, he is taking to the next level. The next level as a leader and player.Romo is about to get his annointing oil over the next few seasons.


The season hasn't started yet so why are you all of a sudden trusting Romo? From what he is doing in preseason?
 

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TwoDeep3;2920484 said:
...Romo has a different style. He is a little less serious in the press and on game day. Just his demeanor. But there are things I see in him now that were not there a couple of years ago. He is starting to don the harness of the leader of this team.

I am not yet to the point that I believe unequivocally that he is the next in line for a ring. He still needs to exhibit the traits he is working on including raising the team on his back and carrying them to the finish line if need be.

But I am now officially excited about this season - and winning it all is not the requisite for me to believe this kid has stepped into the Big Boy shoes.

This is Romo's team. They will go just as far as he takes them.

He has all the tools to take them a long way if he controls turnovers and holds people accountable for they play on offense.

He now need only deliver.

Be sure to let us know when you see him officially develop into the player most of us have thought we've been watching for the past two years.
 

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Idgit;2920537 said:
Be sure to let us know when you see him officially develop into the player most of us have thought we've been watching for the past two years.

So only your point-of-view is valid?

What was I thinking.
 
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