Do you think BP spends big money on FA this

[superpunk]

I just don't see a logjam at LB, unless Ellis comes back full strength. If he doesn't come back full strength, then I wouldn't consider him a LB at all. On top of that, it's not certain that Al Singleton will be back. If that's the case, then we'll only have 5 starting quality LBs on the depth chart. That sounds sufficient, but it certainly isn't a logjam (considering this year we had 7 "starting quality" LBs on the roster).

There will definitely be room for a FA. However, I do get the feeling James will keep his spot and Carpenter/Ellis will be at LOLB, but that doesn't mean it's the best possible scenario (far from it, in fact).

Logjam for starters, and particularly the position everyone wants us to spend big money on. Mr. Thomas goes to San Fran. If Ellis doesn't come back, things get alot simpler, and we need, not even a shade of just want, a quality passrusher for the nickel. If they think there's evena chance Ellis won't be back, that's gotta happen.

 

[superpunk]

Thanks theebs. It doesn't say anything about their blocking scheme, but I think I remember from broadcasts that they run a similar one to Denver. They run alot of toss and sweep plays that we dont run, and far more draws.

Intersting fact - about 40% of Rudi Johnson's yardage and 9 of his 12 TDs came off the right side. His ypc average to that side was 0.7 yards higher than any other spot. Methinks Cincy might be doing everything they can to hld onto this guy.

 

[theogt]

Logjam for starters, and particularly the position everyone wants us to spend big money on. Mr. Thomas goes to San Fran. If Ellis doesn't come back, things get alot simpler, and we need, not even a shade of just want, a quality passrusher for the nickel. If they think there's evena chance Ellis won't be back, that's gotta happen.

Pardon me for thinking that a logjam that forces James to the pine is a good thing.

Like I said (or at least implied), I doubt we get Thomas. TO is about the only big money free agent that we've actually gone after that I wanted. I'd hate to see Thomas go to San Fran, because I think they're a few pieces away from being contenders.

I think Jerry's comments that we're going to focus on the defense in the draft were interesting. I doubt he means safety or corner (though I would love a 1st round corner) and we've definitely got logjam at DL (outside of NT, which won't be addressed in the first two picks). There will likely be about three or four "high quality" DE 'tweeners sitting around our pick, so we could have our choice of them. With all the juniors declaring, it looks like the late first round will be hemorrhaging with talent.

 

[superpunk]

Pardon me for thinking that a logjam that forces James to the pine is a good thing.

Like I said (or at least implied), I doubt we get Thomas. TO is about the only big money free agent that we've actually gone after that I wanted. I'd hate to see Thomas go to San Fran, because I think they're a few pieces away from being contenders.

I think Jerry's comments that we're going to focus on the defense in the draft were interesting. I doubt he means safety or corner (though I would love a 1st round corner) and we've definitely got logjam at DL (outside of NT). There will likely be about three or four "high quality" DE 'tweeners sitting around our pick, so we could have our choice of them. With all the juniors declaring, it looks like the late first round will be hemorrhaging with talent.

Sometimes players regress. You hate to see it in year 4, but it can happen, I guess. I'm no fan of Bradie James, but it's better for us if he doesn't become a gigantic turd. On defense, more than anything, we need three guys who are just capable of cleaning up after Ware. If he forces the QB out, someone's gotta be able to make that play. If he forces the QB to step up - again. Ferguson needs more rest and Canty is the only DE that showed some oomph in the 3-4. (Hatcher was nice out of the nickel but Ican't say I I saw anything memorable in his limited 3-4 action)

Our frontline needs more help than anything. The trouble with the LBs covering the deep middle I think was scheme. There was just too much area for everyone to cover in that stupid zone. Hopefully that gets changed.

 

[Natedawg44]

I think our first signing will be LB Reggie Torbor. He will be a younger depth add at LB. Parcells mentioned him after the draft as well. Not flashy, but more likely.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I think we go mid range on an OLB....to me Antwan Peek makes the most sense....but don't rule out a Chris Kelsay.

There will certainly be a move for another o-lineman. Whether Steinbach proves to be too expensive is another matter.

A backup nose tackle will be drafted. I don't see any fits in FA.

WR will be addressed through the draft....at least I hope so. This is the year to do it and Parcells has a history of drafting wideouts early.

I don't think they go after a FS. Watkins was just fine down the stretch.

Don't be suprised if Parcells tries to move Roy. I don't think he's fond of his conditioning and frankly his performance. Indianapolis is a great candidate.

If he deals Roy, look for Parcells to draft one early. My money is on Michael Griffin.

I see another corner being drafted. Maybe not in the first few rounds , but somewhere in the middle rounds.

 

[smarta5150]

I think we go mid range on an OLB....to me Antwan Peek makes the most sense....but don't rule out a Chris Kelsay.

There will certainly be a move for another o-lineman. Whether Steinbach proves to be too expensive is another matter.

A backup nose tackle will be drafted. I don't see any fits in FA.

WR will be addressed through the draft....at least I hope so. This is the year to do it and Parcells has a history of drafting wideouts early.

I don't think they go after a FS. Watkins was just fine down the stretch.

Don't be suprised if Parcells tries to move Roy. I don't think he's fond of his conditioning and frankly his performance. Indianapolis is a great candidate.

If he deals Roy, look for Parcells to draft one early. My money is on Michael Griffin.

I see another corner being drafted. Maybe not in the first few rounds , but somewhere in the middle rounds.

Not too bad of a post minus the bolded part.

Was that actually serious?

 

[InmanRoshi]

I've been eyeing Torbor for the same reasons. He could actually be an undervalued FA, much like Ayodele was, because he's not a good fit as a 43 outside linebacker and really never had a chance to see the light of day in that organization with all the defensive front 7 perimeter players the Giants have.

From what I read on Bengals boards, they've resigned themselves to the fact that Steinbach is probably leaving. Paul Brown doesn't want to use the franchise tag on a guard, and they already have a lot of money tied up in their OL. With a weak free agent class in OL, someone is going to pay him more money than the Bengals are willing to match.

 

[Oh_Canada]

Not too bad of a post minus the bolded part.

Was that actually serious?

Yeah why? Do you think Roy is THAT good??? I don't and I'll bet his coach ain't all that impressed either.

 

[smarta5150]

Yeah why? Do you think Roy is THAT good??? I don't and I'll bet his coach ain't all that impressed either.

Yes he is that good.

And once we have an OK pass rush along with someone who knows how to coach a defense he will be his old self.

Did you have a problem with RW before this season?

I doubt you did. You probably even bought his jersey.

People who still want to hate on RW should realize he is a top STRONG safety in the league. He is not a FREE safety remember.

As for his coach not being impressed... I am sure 51% or more of our team AINT IMPRESSED with our coach either. Thats 1 of the reasons why Zimmer is gone and thats another reason why BP might just be gone.

I would love to see RW on a team like the Chargers, or Patriots, or the Ravens. He would be the #1 SS in the league right now.

So as I said, once we get a pass rush and a DC that knows what he is doing all you people (RW haters) will finally shut up.

Anything else?

 

[Oh_Canada]

Yes he is that good.

And once we have an OK pass rush along with someone who knows how to coach a defense he will be his old self.

Did you have a problem with RW before this season?

I doubt you did. You probably even bought his jersey.

People who still want to hate on RW should realize he is a top STRONG safety in the league. He is not a FREE safety remember.

As for his coach not being impressed... I am sure 51% or more of our team AINT IMPRESSED with our coach either. Thats 1 of the reasons why Zimmer is gone and thats another reason why BP might just be gone.

I would love to see RW on a team like the Chargers, or Patriots, or the Ravens. He would be the #1 SS in the league right now.

So as I said, once we get a pass rush and a DC that knows what he is doing all you people (RW haters) will finally shut up.

Anything else?

I think the problem is that YOU own his jersey and in love with him for no other fact that he is a DALLAS COWBOY.

The guy was invisible for probably 2/3 of his games this year. Watch a real safety Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu and tell me you see the same thing. You won't....those guys produce game in and game out.
Roy is a myth born out of his college and rookie campaigns. He rarely produces game changing plays, he misses more tackles than he makes and he is almost always a dead duck in space. You send him on a blitz and he almost assuredly fails to get to the QB or whiffs on the running back. He is nothing more than a paper lion and I would love to get a first round pick for him and be done.

The good teams know when to cut bait with there vets, this guy is the perfect candidate to go....he is overpaid, he doesn't fit the system and he is void of any leadership. He wouldn't last one season under Bellichek, I hope his teacher learns from the pupil and dumps this clown....the TEAM would be better for it....book it.

 

[smarta5150]

I think the problem is that YOU own his jersey and in love with him for no other fact that he is a DALLAS COWBOY.

The guy was invisible for probably 2/3 of his games this year. Watch a real safety Ed Reed or Troy Polamalu and tell me you see the same thing. You won't....those guys produce game in and game out.
Roy is a myth born out of his college and rookie campaigns. He rarely produces game changing plays, he misses more tackles than he makes and he is almost always a dead duck in space. You send him on a blitz and he almost assuredly fails to get to the QB or whiffs on the running back. He is nothing more than a paper lion and I would love to get a first round pick for him and be done.

The good teams know when to cut bait with there vets, this guy is the perfect candidate to go....he is overpaid, he doesn't fit the system and he is void of any leadership. He wouldn't last one season under Bellichek, I hope his teacher learns from the pupil and dumps this clown....the TEAM would be better for it....book it.

Ed Reed is a FS. Totally different position. Thats why I capped STRONG and FREE.

As for Polumalu... I would see something different... RW being on the field and Polumalu being hurt. What exactly did he do besides miss games this year?

Rarely produces games changing plays... I guess our win against the Eagles last season wasnt game changing. I guess his INT vs Manning on the goal line didnt help us either? Maybe if the refs in the Lions game didnt mess up a call his TD would have counted and changed the pace of the game? How bout all his other takeaways this year which were among the leaders, if not lead the league vs other STRONG safeties in the league.

You realize in situations where we had 3 CBs and 1 safety in the game RW was that safety? We know he cant cover yet he is being put into centerfield on islands by who?

Our coaches did that, he didnt call the scheme.

We get a DC who knows how to coach and people like you will disappear... BOOK IT lmao

 

[theogt]

It takes a homer to think Roy is any good and an idiot to think he isn't. That's about the extent of Roy posts nowadays.

 

[InmanRoshi]

You realize in situations where we had 3 CBs and 1 safety in the game RW was that safety? We know he cant cover yet he is being put into centerfield on islands by who?

Its like saying its somehow unfair to ask our middle linebacker to stuff the run. Its part of the job description. Safeties are supposed to cover, that's why they're in the secondary, and every safety in the league has to do it or they lose their jobs. Like Adam Archuletta and Michael Lewis lost their jobs in midseason this year.

If Roy can't handle the responsibility of being the lone safety in a 3 CB, 1 S package, then he needs to be benched and replaced with a safety who can.

 

[smarta5150]

It takes a homer to think Roy is any good and an idiot to think he isn't. That's about the extent of Roy posts nowadays.

So...

Would you rather RW a:

A. Cowboy

B. Commander

C. AFC team


?

 

[smarta5150]

Its like saying its somehow unfair to ask our middle linebacker to stuff the run. Its part of the job description. Safeties are supposed to cover, and every safety in the league has to do it or they lose their jobs, like Adam Archuletta and Michael Lewis lost their jobs this year.

An ILB main job is to stop the run

I get the analgy though but you should have said... "its somehow unfair to ask our middle linebacker to stop the pass."

Which speaking of... James' doesnt help RW at all since he is TERRIBLE against the pass

Akin and Carp go inside it takes pressure off RW since they can cover TEs.

Thats a different thread though.

 

[theogt]

So...

Would you rather RW a:

A. Cowboy

B. Commander

C. AFC team


?

I'm in the homer category.

 

[smarta5150]

I'm in the homer category.

No shame in that.

Seriously though... I am new to the Zone this season so I dont know but...

Were there any RW haters prior to this season?

 

[theogt]

No shame in that.

Seriously though... I am new to the Zone this season so I dont know but...

Were there any RW haters prior to this season?

They're typically in the form of (1) the "Roy can't cover" meme, (2) Roy v. Reed, (3) Roy v. Taylor , or (4) the worst of all -- Roy should be converted to a LB.

It's amazing how people hear a concept and it somehow resonates with them and from then on they regurgitate it over and over until they convince themselves or others that it's the god honest truth.

 

[smarta5150]

They're typically in the form of (1) the "Roy can't cover" meme, (2) Roy v. Reed, (3) Roy v. Taylor , or (4) the worst of all -- Roy should be converted to a LB.

It's amazing how people hear a concept and it somehow resonates with them and from then on they regurgitate it over and over until they convince themselves or others that it's the god honest truth.

Ah I see.

They need to realize guys like Reed are FREE safeties and that the position is clearly more of a jack-of-all-trades kind of guy.

#1 seems the most viable since his weak spot is coverage but he hasnt had a problem until this year.

I am still sticking by him until this seasons... espicially if the scheme changes and he still blows. I would definitely not run him out of town just yet.