Do you think that Ware could go down as the best defensive player in Cowboys history?

[MichaelWinicki]

You stated that he wouldn't be in the class unless he won a Super Bowl or put together that one amazing season. Obviously, he has yet to win a Super Bowl. So... just so that I understand... you are stating that he hasn't had an amazing season to date? Correct?

He needs more. Hey a SB wouldn't hurt.

More terrific seasons wouldn't hurt.

But as of right now he's not the best.

 

[Vintage]

He needs more. Hey a SB wouldn't hurt.

More terrific seasons wouldn't hurt.

But as of right now he's not the best.

That isn't the question I asked.

When you're ranking Cowboys vs the Cowboys of the past, I'll keep Bob Lilly and Randy White ahead of Ware unless Ware wins something or puts together that one amazing season.

Your original quote. Obviously, no Super Bowl, yet (if ever).

But you stated that unless Ware puts together that one amazing season (or a Super Bowl), you won't list Ware ahead of them. Since you also stated you aren't listing Ware ahead of them, then the logical conclusion is that you believe Ware hasn't put together an amazing season.

Correct?

That is all that I am trying to ascertain.

Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

That isn't the question I asked.



Your original quote. Obviously, no Super Bowl, yet (if ever).

But you stated that unless Ware puts together that one amazing season (or a Super Bowl), you won't list Ware ahead of them. Since you also stated you aren't listing Ware ahead of them, then the logical conclusion is that you believe Ware hasn't put together an amazing season.

Correct?

That is all that I am trying to ascertain.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I've given my rankings and reasons for doing so.

If you don't like them... Then hard cheese mate.

 

[Vintage]

I've given my rankings and reasons for doing so.

If you don't like them... Then hard cheese mate.

I am not arguing with you about your rankings. I am not even arguing with you about anything. You can list Ebenezer Ekuban over Demarcus Ware if that tickles your fancy. All I am trying to do is get an answer to a question.

 

[The Natural]

I disagree. I don't really think any position, other than QB is weighed by rings. Defensive players are viewed by their individual impacts, for the most part. And no, I don't think Ware is going to surpass Lilly or even White, there's just a different feeling of players from their eras. Like they were larger than life.

Individual impact has to at some point impact the team. If not super bowls you have to atleast consider another measurement. Like how many times has this defense ranked in the top 10 while Ware has been here, idk the answer I'm just throwing it out there.

 

[Risen Star]

When you're ranking Cowboys vs the Cowboys of the past, I'll keep Bob Lilly and Randy White ahead of Ware unless Ware wins something or puts together that one amazing season.

A pass rusher has to win a title first?

20 sacks isn't an amazing season?

Ware is so good he makes the amazing look routine.

 

[superpunk]

I've given my rankings and reasons for doing so.

If you don't like them... Then hard cheese mate.

holy crap just admit you said something stupid.

 

[jobberone]

Tough question. Waters said Lilly was this pasty guy with no real muscle definition but nobody could stop him. He required at least a double team and at times a triple team. It's hard for me to not put him as the best. Randy was supposedly the toughest guy on the team and probably the league. I don't think he was quite the player Lilly was but he was pretty good. I have no idea why Martin isn't in the HOF. In fact Too Tall was pretty good, too. Howley doesn't get the recognition he deserves. Landry said he could have played RB or LB and was one of the best athletes he'd been around. Ware's in that neighborhood and probably the athlete Lilly, Howley, Renfro and White were. He and Witten are the two HOFers on this team.

 

[superpunk]

Everybody loves nostalgia but Ware is doing it on a level that is almost unsurpassed in the history of the NFL, much less this team. Get some more metamucil in ya and give Ware his due everyone.

 

[Vintage]

Everybody loves nostalgia but Ware is doing it on a level that is almost unsurpassed in the history of the NFL, much less this team. Get some more metamucil in ya and give Ware his due everyone.

but dood, like no souper bowlez and stuff.

or something

 

[ejthedj]

There is no way that Haley or Sanders are higher than Ware. Neither was a Cowboy as long. And Ware is already better than Haley ever was. Just look at the stats... What about Harvey Martin? He's the Cowboys all-time sack leader.

 

[MWH1967]

those are some REALLY big shoes...let's hope he has a healthy rest of his stay. awesome player..can't say anything else.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

I am not arguing with you about your rankings. I am not even arguing with you about anything. You can list Ebenezer Ekuban over Demarcus Ware if that tickles your fancy. All I am trying to do is get an answer to a question.

A pass rusher has to win a title first?

20 sacks isn't an amazing season?

Ware is so good he makes the amazing look routine.

holy crap just admit you said something stupid.

Let's compare...

Ware 7 ProBowls 4 First Team All-Pro honors

White 9 ProBowls 7 First Team All-Pro honors

Lilly 11 ProBowls 7 First Team All-Pro honors

OK gents, instead of flapping your fingers on your keyboard defend the position of Ware being BETTER than both of those guys.

 

[Vintage]

Let's compare...

Ware 7 ProBowls 4 First Team All-Pro honors

White 9 ProBowls 7 First Team All-Pro honors

Lilly 11 ProBowls 7 First Team All-Pro honors

OK gents, instead of flapping your fingers on your keyboard defend the position of Ware being BETTER than both of those guys.

 

[CATCH17]

I never saw Randy White but it's hard for me to imagine him being as complete of a player as D Ware.

The guy is a freak. He's been a 1 man defense and pass rush for us at times in his career.

Haley was awesome too but D Ware is that rare combo of size, speed, strength, and smarts.

I just can't rank them because im too young and never got to see Randy White play from Sunday to Sunday.

 

[AbeBeta]

1. Randy
2. Lilly
3. Sanders(wish I could omit him)
4. Haley
5. Ware

The Cowboys have a long history, way too many not on this list that could be on other teams top 5 such as:

Too Tall, Lee Roy Jordan, M. Renfro, J. Pugh, C. Waters, E. Walls, D. Woodson, H. Martin, C. Harris and maybe even Bill Bates.

Ware could potentially move up to #3, but I doubt it at this point.

People forget that Haley was only here 5 seasons - four full-ish ones. Maybe two dominant ones. Yes, he seemed to be that last piece we needed but he just wasn't here long enough. Sanders was in a similar situation but with Deion he was flat out dominant for four years. So I'd leave him on the list

 

[Risen Star]

Let's compare...

Ware 7 ProBowls 4 First Team All-Pro honors

White 9 ProBowls 7 First Team All-Pro honors

Lilly 11 ProBowls 7 First Team All-Pro honors

OK gents, instead of flapping your fingers on your keyboard defend the position of Ware being BETTER than both of those guys.

Well, for one, Ware's career isn't over yet. Two, you can't define a player based simply off of pro bowls and all pro teams. Especially players playing in different eras.

What I can tell you definitively right now is no defensive front seven player in Cowboys history has ever had the physical talent of Ware. Don't hero worship those guys. They were not the physical talents of the players today. It's just a simple truth. Most dominant in their era would be a better question.

I don't believe many people will look at Championships to determine where Ware ranks on the all time list. That works for QBs. Not so much any other position on the field.

 

[gimmesix]

1a) Bob Lilly

1b) Randy White

1c) DeMarcus Ware

I think we're ultimately going to be splitting hairs to separate these players when Ware's career is done. I prefer just grouping them at the top.

It's kind of asking the Hall of Fame to rank the players it inducts instead of simply inducting them and saying all of them are great.

 

[MichaelWinicki]

Well, for one, Ware's career isn't over yet. Two, you can't define a player based simply off of pro bowls and all pro teams. Especially players playing in different eras.

What I can tell you definitively right now is no defensive front seven player in Cowboys history has ever had the physical talent of Ware. Don't hero worship those guys. They were not the physical talents of the players today. It's just a simple truth. Most dominant in their era would be a better question.

I don't believe many people will look at Championships to determine where Ware ranks on the all time list. That works for QBs. Not so much any other position on the field.

While I agree with you that Ware's career is not over and yes he could still end up being ranked #1, but he ain't there yet.

You can't rank the physical talents of one player from one era to another. The older player is almost always going to come out on the short end of the stick.

BUT you can compare players from one era to other players within that era.

 

[MWH1967]

one could make a case for Harvey Martin. I said that quietly.....