Does anyone else get frustrated watching other teams offenses?

Alexander

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I agree. With Blaine Gabbert today against a pretty darn good defense..Boldin was 8 catches for 93 yards....and 11 targets.

I bet the 49er fans are happy they played hard and battled too.
 

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What I find really sad is, if a Dallas player is in motion, 9 times out of ten it's a run. They hardly run from a spread formation. They seemed to run more TE screens than any other type of screens. Haven't seen a trick play that didn't involve Lucky all year.

What worked during Garrett's time as a player was not just execution, Dallas more often than not, had better talent. The talent today is spread evenly throughout the league. Better play calling, beating teams with formations, moving your skill players around to create mismatches is what's needed today.

I often read how our players may be too dumb to understand the playbook. It's not that, the coaches seem to be insane for thinking that what system they have in place is going to have sustained success.
 
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Or is it just me? When I see all the innovation and risk taking by other teams, it just makes me all the more frustrated with Jason Garrett. I'm watching the Steelers game right now and they are spreading out Seattle and throwing the ball all over the field. Ben threw 19 passes in the first quarter and then they went for a two point conversion (which they made) when the extra point would have put them up by 3. They run RB screens, throw WR screens on many first downs and usually pick up 7-8 yards, They use play action passes, pick plays and throw deep 6-7 times a game.

I grew up a huge Tom Landry fan and absolutey loved his Belichick like innnovation. This vanilla scheme that we run is driving me nuts. Why do we have to be stuck in the 90's?

I hear you, sometimes it looks like they are intentionally creating tendencies so that they can set a trap for later, but considering the Cowboys were 5th in scoring last year, I'm wondering why you would want to fix what ain't broke?
 

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Every single week when I watch the Patriots.

Or even the Saints at times.

And the Colts.

I mean look at the Colts. 4-0 with their back up this year. He's won more games then the starter!!!

Pisses me off.
 

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Yeah, I do. I can appreciate simplicity in football. It's just as annoying to see a coach that has something working and goes away from it in fear of not running the same play over again.

But, our fear of moving Dez around to get him in some mismatches is bothersome if it's true they don't want to move him to the slot because of being in fear of having LB with a safety over the top. Personally, I'll take that matchup more times than not.

I liked watching the game winning TD by the Broncos. Looks like they had trips bunch to the left with TE's over there and now you have to defend against the run or the pass and the Broncos called a run play and scored easily.

Or I hate the fact that we will run one direction (usually to the left) and the DT will be shaded so far over that we still run that way anyway. No adjustment is made and we supposedly think our O-Linemen have wingspans of condors to be able to reach the defender who is already in a far better position than the O-Linemen is.

Still, it's more about the pass defense in the end.

If it were up to me, we would have Robb Chudzinski as the O-Coordinator. Runs the same style of offense, but is far far more creative with the playcalling and play designs and he doesn't get away from the run either.

I firmly believe that if Dez and Romo were healthy, we win this division easily, but would still be tripped up by the pass defense in the playoffs.





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How many times have they thrown the ball with the Lucky Whitehead package on the field?
How times has it been a pass when the QB "kills" the play?
How many times has dez been lined up in the slot?
Why was Escobar not used more when dez was out?
Where's the play action on 1st down?


Just rattled those off of the top of my head, sure I could come up with 10 more. I think the coaching staff got a little too comfortable knowing the fact that our o line can dominate, and when it didn't happen most of the games this year our lack of creativity on offense showed even more
 

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I got frustrated last night watching Denver with a backup QB beat the undefeated Pats. We should not be so dependent on one player and then have them finally come back to play and underperform. Something is systematically wrong with a team that functions in that manner. Will McClay, Stephan Jones and the other architects of the team need to deeply exam that flaw and figure out how to pattern the team around a more stable model.
 

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There is something really really wrong with that statement.

I know what you're trying to say, but horrible wording. Especially since Landry may be tops on the list for innovation.

You can't deny that Bill Belichick has been this generation's version of Landry when it come to innovation and staying ahead if the curve with whatever rules are in place.

Yes I also know that Belichick is a lot like John Madden in that he will look for ways to get an edge outside of the rules.
 

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I got frustrated last night watching Denver with a backup QB beat the undefeated Pats. We should not be so dependent on one player and then have them finally come back to play and underperform. Something is systematically wrong with a team that functions in that manner. Will McClay, Stephan Jones and the other architects of the team need to deeply exam that flaw and figure out how to pattern the team around a more stable model.

Denver won with Osweiler in part because with him, they can run the system that Kubiak wanted to begin with rather than a workaround with Manning as they had been doing. It is not dependent on the QB having to correct the majority of the plays at the line of scrimmage.

I don't think McClay, Stephen Jones or anyone at that level of the organization even thinking that something is wrong with the offensive system.
 

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I hear you, sometimes it looks like they are intentionally creating tendencies so that they can set a trap for later, but considering the Cowboys were 5th in scoring last year, I'm wondering why you would want to fix what ain't broke?

We were fifth in scoring primarily because Dez and Tony were money in the redzone. It is hard to sustain that level of excellence. Most of our TDs were not schemed as much as it was Dez on a fade/back shoulder fade or Tony buying time and finding a receiver in broken coverage.
I just don't know if you can count on this year in and year out.
 

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Or is it just me? When I see all the innovation and risk taking by other teams, it just makes me all the more frustrated with Jason Garrett. I'm watching the Steelers game right now and they are spreading out Seattle and throwing the ball all over the field. Ben threw 19 passes in the first quarter and then they went for a two point conversion (which they made) when the extra point would have put them up by 3. They run RB screens, throw WR screens on many first downs and usually pick up 7-8 yards, They use play action passes, pick plays and throw deep 6-7 times a game.

I grew up a huge Tom Landry fan and absolutey loved his Belichick like innnovation. This vanilla scheme that we run is driving me nuts. Why do we have to be stuck in the 90's?

I watched that game too, great 4th qtr !
And yeah I see other teams do innovative stuff, and then think why dont cowboys do this??
But then I remember who our HC is and I know the answer.

JG likes to keep banging away with the same playbook, I guess forever lol and like others say, if something does work
we dont see it again for ages.
 

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Denver won with Osweiler in part because with him, they can run the system that Kubiak wanted to begin with rather than a workaround with Manning as they had been doing. It is not dependent on the QB having to correct the majority of the plays at the line of scrimmage.

I don't think McClay, Stephen Jones or anyone at that level of the organization even thinking that something is wrong with the offensive system.

osweiler played good, but the game turned on the fumbled punt, and then gronk got hurt,
Brady looked like he gave up after that, and the NE defense played poorly in the 4th.
All the guys brady throws to are hurt and not playing, gronk was the last one, and now he is out.
 

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That A.J. Green 1st TD is a thing of beauty. I think the difference is all about timing. We don't have enough WRs or TEs where they can run a route while the ball is in the air and then look for the ball at the end of the route.

What we do have are WRs or TEs that have to look at the QB for 1 or 2 seconds before getting ready to catch it.
 

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The funny thing is that when TO was here, under Garrett's offense, they moved him around a lot. I don't know what happened.

What happened was the lack of adjustment. In 2006, Dallas was a pretty conservative Parcells throw back. In 2007, they started airing it out and it caught people off guard - until late in the year. Then , I believe after the 1st Wash game was when TO started to get frustrated. The offense started to slow way down. Teams adjusted to the offense and there was rarely a new wrinkle or counter adjustment.

Romo became more efficient and better at reading defenses, but that has limits. When I watch other teams, the good ones get the ball to players in stride or on the move. Ive never seen so many dig routes, outs, comebacks. Every play where Witten catches is on the move its 15-20 yards. When he is stationary or perpendicular to the LOS, thats where he falls
 

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It's the little things, like Billacheat,(not a fan, but...) broncos are driving looking like they are going to score so he takes a TO and saves clock just in case he needs a FG to come back and tie.

low and behold he needs every second of the time he saved by calling a TO for Brady to get into a game tying FG range.

This even took the announcers by surprise.

Jason OTOH wastes time on a regular basis.
 

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Denver won with Osweiler in part because with him, they can run the system that Kubiak wanted to begin with rather than a workaround with Manning as they had been doing. It is not dependent on the QB having to correct the majority of the plays at the line of scrimmage.

I don't think McClay, Stephen Jones or anyone at that level of the organization even thinking that something is wrong with the offensive system.

Great post. I don't think any of Jones would even understand the difference. That's why nothing really works well on a consistent basis here.
 

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I hear you, sometimes it looks like they are intentionally creating tendencies so that they can set a trap for later, but considering the Cowboys were 5th in scoring last year, I'm wondering why you would want to fix what ain't broke?

They were 5th in scoring last year because Callahan was partly part of that success of an effective run game. Not Garrett's offense.

We let Murray and Callahan go and we went back to Garrett's playbook. Basically, we scrapped what worked last year.
 
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They were 5th in scoring last year because Callahan was partly part of that success of an effective run game. Not Garrett's offense.

We let Murray and Callahan go and we went back to Garrett's playbook. Basically, we scrapped what worked last year.

I think you should tattoo "Fire Jason Garrett" on your forehead, that way people can see you coming and have a chance of escaping the area before being subjected to your irrational opinions,,, :cool:
 

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I think you should tattoo "Fire Jason Garrett" on your forehead, that way people can see you coming and have a chance of escaping the area before being subjected to your irrational opinions,,, :cool:

Why not tattoo "I love Jason Garrett" on yours?

You Jason Garrett fan club members won't stop trying to protect him with falsities and lies.
 
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