Does anyone else think different and better coaching could help Dak?

[Cmac]

Absolutely.......this team is equivalent to KMoore handed the keys to the Mercedes to drive to high school every day.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

If Moore doesn't take a HC job, we need to fire him. In fact, at this point I say we let Big Mac go and hire Payton. Don't rattle off resume numbers to say Big Mac and Payton are the same; if you've watched enough Payton games then you'd know that he is a great game manager and (I believe) a great coach for a QB. He salvaged Brees from the SD Reject Bin and turned him into a HOF/SB winner.

Will Jerruh give control to Payton? Probably/likely not, but I can dream.

This is year 7 with Dak and it's clear that KM isn't getting anything more out of the guy. We are stuck with Dak so next best thing is to change to voices around him and maybe that will get us further into the post season.

Build a better roster around Dak???? Uh, if I am not mistaken, Dallas has one of the youngest rosters in the league, which means all the cap money is spent on veterans, so how much more can we build around him other than HOPE we strike gold in multiple rounds of the draft? Dak making 40m a year really handcuffs the FO from building a roster than Dak needs to thrive.

Who do you think Mike would do if he was given the control you think Payton might get?

I would love to see Mike get the opportunity to have some autonomy over this offense.

 

[Cmac]

Mike does the exact same thing Jimmy did, manages the team and let the coaches coach. Jimmy did it with a lot more flair, but I see no difference in the way they oversee the team. Jimmy had the advantage of Jerry being green behind the ears, thus having a lot more say on players and just about everything else.

....then why is KMoore handed the keys.....he is a product of Jason Garrett's coaching limb.

 

[Fastpitch Dad]

....then why is KMoore handed the keys.....he is a product of Jason Garrett's coaching limb.

That's an easy one my friend. Jerry.

Mike has been force fed Moore and has no control over him..At least that's how I feel about it.

 

[Diehardblues]

....then why is KMoore handed the keys.....he is a product of Jason Garrett's coaching limb.

Which both developed Dak into much more than his ability would have on its own.

Moore has created an offense which enhances Daks raw lack of passing skills and ability to read defenses.

It’s why Jethro insisted on retaining Moore with the HC change. It’s been a masterful undertaking transforming him into what he’s become. It is exposed on occasion like in certain playoff games and or against better defenses and opponents.

But on the most part they’re turned his less than great passing abilities into a high powered offensive juggernaut with only these exceptions being exposed along with his inconsistencies.

 

[Diehardblues]

That's an easy one my friend. Jerry.

Mike has been force fed Moore and has no control over him..At least that's how I feel about it.

Absolutely!!

And as I presented above , I’d argue Moore has created an offense which has enhanced Prescott's less than great passing skills.

It’s only Daks skill level which has held him back, not Moore or his schemes and playcalling.

 

[Cmac]

Which both developed Dak into much more than his ability would have on its own.

Moore has created an offense which enhances Daks raw lack of passing skills and ability to read defenses.

It’s why Jethro insisted on retaining Moore with the HC change. It’s been a masterful undertaking transforming him into what he’s become. It is exposed on occasion like in certain playoff games and or against better defenses and opponents.

But on the most part they’re turned his less than great passing abilities into a high powered offensive juggernaut with only these exceptions being exposed along with his inconsistencies.

Does the OC have input or is it anywhere in the job description......fundamentals......or is that solely on Nussmeier (QB Coach)? Fundamentals.....drop back steps, release footwork, reads, hot reads, route tree, route concepts, defense alignments, defense disguises, defense triggers, visit to Lenscrafters, new contact lens, film sessions, situational testing......does any of this matter to reduce the interceptions? Any?

In the end.....the big question.....do you give up on the investment (QB/salary) or do you try a new, but more expereinced OC? I'd invoke the new Tampa Process.

 

[Diehardblues]

Does the OC have input or is it anywhere in the job description......fundamentals......or is that solely on Nussmeier (QB Coach)? Fundamentals.....drop back steps, release footwork, reads, hot reads, route tree, route concepts, defense alignments, defense disguises, defense triggers, visit to Lenscrafters, new contact lens, film sessions, situational testing......does any of this matter to reduce the interceptions? Any?

In the end.....the big question.....do you give up on the investment (QB/salary) or do you try a new, but more expereinced OC? I'd invoke the new Tampa Process.

I’d imagine Jethro will stay the course for at least the duration of Prescotts current contract. Unless of course Moore accepts another HC position. But I suspect he’ll hold out for the Cowboys HC job.

 

[Cmac]

I’d imagine Jethro will stay the course for at least the duration of Prescotts current contract. Unless of course Moore accepts another HC position. But I suspect he’ll hold out for the Cowboys HC job.

....then I guess we should expect more buffoonery from QB and OC. It is what it is.

 

[CowboyFanInLexKy]

I absolutely think Kellen Moore and that JG based offense need to go. Interview a bunch of OCs who have the best offense and plan for Dak and see if he can improve. If he doesn't, let him walk in two years. But keeping Moore and that JG offense is just status quo. Another 12-5 year and first round exit.

WOW. I couldn't have said that any better.. This is exactly my thoughts but you brought it right out.

 

[75boyz]

Absolutely!!

And as I presented above , I’d argue Moore has created an offense which has enhanced Prescott's less than great passing skills.

It’s only Daks skill level which has held him back, not Moore or his schemes and playcalling.

Yep. Very well said. Exactly. It should be repeated over and over and over.
This is the hard reality for SleepNumber loyalists. Included in that extremely limited skillset of this QB is pathetic real time decision making along with the drastically inconsistent accuracy.
But their skewed reality is to place blame on the play called vice the poor onfield decisions made and inaccurate passes thrown by the QB.
When countless replays, All-22 and/or game film consistently show many successful options available other than the on field choice made by the QB, it becomes a simple question of play call vs. execution.
The one doing the executing is at fault.

Film don't lie no matter how you try to scapegoat it to someone or something else.

 

[Diehardblues]

....then I guess we should expect more buffoonery from QB and OC. It is what it is.

It’s all in your perception and perspective of our dysfunctional situation.

Fans looking for greater results or higher expectations will most likely be disappointed.

But from my viewpoint based on Prescotts passing skills and our ownerships involvement I’d argue we have had some moderate success.

I certainly didn’t expect this good of season. I predicted 10-7 fighting for a Wild Card slot and that was before Prescotts injury.

 

[tromofan]

I think Ron White pretty much said it best. You can't fix stupid.

 

[Whirlwin]

Ignorance blaming one player. When it’s the franchise, that’s the issue until Jerry Jones steps down. This is what you’re going to have.

 

[Whirlwin]

Average Qb garrapolos 6million salary allows the Niners to put pro bowlers all around him….

Average Qb Prescotts 40 million salary doesn’t allow the Boys to put pro Bowlers all around him

Prescotts 160 million salary is supposed to mean that HE’’S the elite player……not a turnover machine.

we can get Landry, Lombardi, Shula and this dude would still be a failure in the playoffs

When you have to force the ball to your receiver. Maybe your receiver should get open a little bit sooner. Yes Prescott deserves just as much blame as everyone else. all the blame is ridiculous.

 

[DillusionalFans]

You cannot coach up talent..........or else Tim Tebow and a whole bunch of QB would still be in the NFL.
Dak is our version of Tim with a great PR dept!!!!

Agreed!! As one of my old coaches said “You can’t make chicken salad from chicken s***”.

 

[zrinkill]

No
The interceptions are all on him

 

[raggedy]

Who do you think Mike would do if he was given the control you think Payton might get?

I would love to see Mike get the opportunity to have some autonomy over this offense.

I know it's believed that MM was force fed KM, but I always had the sense that MM was too lazy to want to take over an offense. Just my opinion, but I had the sense that MM was happy with the structure of him being the lead manager of the team on-field while he left the other fazes of the game to coordinators. He didn't have a choice with having KM as his OC, but I thought he was happy with the structure.

I have no personal axe to grind with MM. He sounds like a nice guy, but let's not forget that the prima donna ARodgers ran him out of GB, and Rodgers numbers took a nice leap with his new HC.

Bottom line for me is I think coaching plays a significant part in players and team success. For sure the Dak/KM pairing has run it's course. After enough time the voices each of them hears from the other is like a Charlie Brown teacher's voice. whawhawha

Speaking of KM, but not just KM but "successful" coordinators in general, I find it amusing that just because a coach can have some success as a position coach or a coordinator, lot's of people in the NFL industry (and fans) think that those coaches should get their shot at being a Head Coach. For me not every coach can be a real leader of MEN. Getting back to KM, to me he doesn't look like a leader of men and could garner the respect needed to command the locker room. It takes an alpha male who has the presence and respect to get all those guys to focus and commit to one goal, and truly believe and trust that voice when times get rough.

 

[FTWayne]

Lol miracles could happen.