Does anyone think Carson Palmer is Troy's clone???

[Tyler Durden]

You know what's kind of funny?

I've never heard a player or coach define a player's greatness solely on his teammates. Emmitt and Irvin don't feel they made Troy Aikman what he is.

Just food for thought.

Well if all anyone ever said around here is what coaches or players would say, it's be one great big boring sports cliche', now wouldn't it?

 

[Hostile]

Well if all anyone ever said around here is what coaches or players would say, it's be one great big boring sports cliche', now wouldn't it?

In your opinion this can be the case.

 

[The30YardSlant]

You know what's kind of funny?

I've never heard a player or coach define a player's greatness solely on his teammates. Emmitt and Irvin don't feel they made Troy Aikman what he is.

Just food for thought.

I didnt say one way or the other, just stating the obvious

Amd right, now, Palmer isnt close

 

[BadKarma]

Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin made Troy Aikman, not the other way around.

I just don't buy it. He was very good, but not even in the top 20 of all time IMO.

It's all relative - our o-line and Moose made Emmit; Emmit helped Troy; Troy made Michael...

Carson Palmer has ways to go before we can fairly compare him with Troy. But at this point in Carson's career, it is way too early to start saying Carson is better than Troy.

 

[Tyler Durden]

But at this point in Carson's career, it is way too early to start saying Carson is better than Troy.

Well i'm glad I never said that.

 

[BadKarma]

Well i'm glad I never said that.

Good thing - otherwise, you'd be get branded.

 

[ravidubey]

Aikman had an unbelievable accuracy on deep outs. I've only recently seen that kind of pass from Brett Favre-- and then when he's on a hot streak. Another QB, Jim Kelly, was similar in that regard but did not have Troy's accuracy.

Still, Cincy's duo of Palmer and Johnson remind me alot of Aikman and Irvin. Those two are going places.

 

[Chuck 54]

Coming out of college the resemblance between the two was like it was a new Troy Aikman being born.....physically they are identical, almost look alikes....both big strong, average mobility, strong as hell arm....in his 3rd year Palmer appears on the verge of becoming a great QB, who knows can Cincy be the next AFC team, Palmer, and the Johnsons, the new triplets.....although Rudi is no Emmitt....

point is Palmer looks and plays like a young Aikman....almost spooky!!!

Palmer is also more athletic than Aikman, imo.

 

[Nav22]

People forget about Troy's athleticism back when he was a youngster. In his first 2 seasons (26 games), he rushed for 474 yards.

Palmer? Only 54 rush yards in his first 23 NFL games. Food for thought.

 

[Cowboys&Caps]

Emmitt Smith and Michael Irvin made Troy Aikman, not the other way around.

I just don't buy it. He was very good, but not even in the top 20 of all time IMO.

They were all better for being together.......you can't say any one of the 5 parts that made us soooo good back then would have been as good as they were without any one of the other four


the five parts.........

Aikman
Emmitt
Michael
O-line
Defense

if i had to pick an MVP it would be the O-line

 

[ddh33]

They really do look alike, and Palmer does remind me of Troy. I said that when he was coming into the draft. I think people shouldn't rush the comarisons just yet though. Palmer needs to do some more winning first.

 

[mperfection]

I don't know about "way" better, but I think he could be better.

Aikman was very good, but he wasn't the GOAT that some people make him out to be. It's my opinion, and I realize it's an unpopular one, that Troy would have been very average without Emmitt or Michael, or Novacek for that matter.

You can't take away what he did, but you can debate what he would have done under other circumstances.

Finally, a voice of reason. Agreed wholeheartedly!

 

[rcaldw]

I enjoy this board a ton, but it also reminds me of what a waste of time it is to get too caught up in what any fan thinks (including me), because it is painfully obvious that most of them don't know squat.

"Palmer is way better than Aikman"
"Palmer is more athletic than Aikman was"
"Emmitt and Irvin made Aikman what he was"

All of those statements qualify as opinions, but are just off the board irresponsible and empty. Good night, did any of you actually watch Aikman's career?

Aikman's career speaks for itself on the first statement.
Aikman was very mobile when he first came out of College and before he got beat to a pulp.
And do you guys forget that he was the #1 overall pick in the NFL draft? That was on the merit of his own athletic ability and performance at UCLA where he didn't have anyone close to Smith or Irvin.

In addition, I just have one question for all the Aikman bashers.

If I told you right now that we could get a QB next draft with the #1 overall pick, what would you consider him to have to do to merit that pick by us? What would you set the standard as for a successful career and for rewarding our confidence in him?

If I told you that by the time he was done he would lead us to 3 Super Bowl Championships and win the Super Bowl MVP in the first one while throwing 4 TD passes, that he would rescue the NFC Championship game his first time there by hitting a WR on a deep slant with the game on the line, etc, etc, would you say he fulfilled our expectations?

If anyone says no they are a liar, and therefore should just admit that Troy Aikman was one heck of a QB. Period.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Tom Brady reminds me of a young Troy Aikman when he was still somewhat mobile.

 

[SultanOfSix]

I don't know about "way" better, but I think he could be better.

Aikman was very good, but he wasn't the GOAT that some people make him out to be. It's my opinion, and I realize it's an unpopular one, that Troy would have been very average without Emmitt or Michael, or Novacek for that matter.

You can't take away what he did, but you can debate what he would have done under other circumstances.

Let's take away James, Harrison, Wayne, and Dallas Clark from Peyton Manning and see how he does too.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Aikman>Palmer

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Let's take away James, Harrison, Wayne, and Dallas Clark from Peyton Manning and see how he does too.

Or Joe Montana without Jerry Rice, Roger Taylor and Steve Walsh. The only QB's who I have seen put up great passing stats with average receiving talent was John Elway, Dan Marino and Brett Favre. Don't get me wrong, they all played with quality talent at certain times in their career but they also went through several years playing alongside average receivers. I could have played alongside them and looked impressive like many of the scrubs that did when playing alongside them. Don't believe me, does Donald Driver, Mark Jackson and OJ McDuffie ring a bell.

 

[Hostile]

Let's take away James, Harrison, Wayne, and Dallas Clark from Peyton Manning and see how he does too.

The truth of the matter is no player becomes great without a teammate or teammates.

IMO great QBs do more to make those around them great than any other position. Culd Emmitt have broken Payton's record if Aikman insisted on throwing the ball at a Bledsoe like pace? No.

Without Troy the Cowboys don't win 3 of 4. Without Emmitt they don't win 3 of 4. Without Michael they don't win 3 of 4. Withotu that OL, without that defense...you get the picture.

All of those guys on those teams were great because of one thing. All players who get to the NFL have talent. The ones who pull together the best as a team become great. Those who play for themselves rarely do.

 

[FoldedSpace]

Lion fan has always said that our O-Line made Emmitt....does that mean that the O-Line made Troy as well via Smith? And who made the O-Line?

Potential and big arms and all that is crap. It's all about Scoreboard...and the score isn't even close yet...

 

[CactusCowboy]

Aikman was overated, tons of talent around him.