Does anyone think our offensive line is good enough for the playoffs?

[Rockport]

If this were true, teams that run the ball more effectively would be able to pass the ball more effectively, and that's just not the case. Teams can pass the ball effectively with a limited running game.
And we're not losing games because of our ability to pass the ball, anyway, so why in the world would we be worrying about that second-order problem when we've got much bigger fish to fry in our own passing defense?

Come on bro, you're smarter than this. I don't care how good your offensive line is, if you don't have a capable QB you're going to struggle.

 

[Idgit]

Come on bro, you're smarter than this. I don't care how good your offensive line is, if you don't have a capable QB you're going to struggle.

I read you post, and I see what you've bolded here, but I'm not understanding the point you're trying to make.

 

[Rockport]

Whichever teams wins this year's Superbowl, it won't be because their OL provided the most effective running game.

Chances are it will. If they can't run the ball effectively they won't be able to pass effectively. Also will take a stout DL. Got to have both.

 

[Rockport]

I read you post, and I see what you've bolded here, but I'm not understanding the point you're trying to make.

Even if you have a great offensive line and running game you're not going to pass the ball consistenlty with the likes of someone like Carr, Johnson, or the likes.

 

[Idgit]

Even if you have a great offensive line and running game you're not going to pass the ball consistenlty with the likes of someone like Carr, Johnson, or the likes.

Maybe. Though teams have done pretty well with the Alex Smith's of the world when they just play good pass defense. But the point I was really making is that running the ball effectively doesn't really help a good QB throw the ball all the more effectively. It seems like it does, but it doesn't.

The important exception to this is goal line/short yardage rushing, where it's a measurable advantage. This team *has* had red zone offense problems for years, and that's a bigger problem than our problems with running the ball overall.

 

[Vintage]

I read you post, and I see what you've bolded here, but I'm not understanding the point you're trying to make.

It basically boils down to this... There is a contingent on this board (admittedly, I have no idea as to its size since I don't post nearly as much as I have in the past) who think we need to invest constant high picks in the OL year in, year out.

Apparently, that has now shifted to the desire for 1st round OGs or expensive OGs in FA.

And this is how they view is the correct way to build a team.



There are a few of us, who see that the difference in passing efficiency is the key. We see Romo as an asset who can generally win that match if the defense does their part. They've seen the pass defense be a let down time and time again. Both, in terms of coverage, and in the pass rushing department.

I want us to draft heavily on the pass rushing side in this year's draft. I think we finally have the cover corners. And I view drafting an OG over a pass rusher to be a waste, if all things equal. And I certainly laugh at the notion that we need to have elite OGs before we can win. We would be better off drafting a pass rusher next year.

And anyone who thinks like that is "stupid" and "lacks football knowledge" because its such "common knowledge" that elite OGs are needed for victory. Pass rushers and pass defense is trivial.

 

[KJJ]

I've explained it the other 500 times you've brought it up. You just try and confuse the subject.

You have no explanation. The Cowboys ranked 31st in rushing and Romo was sacked 36 times but the team was 3rd in passing yards. The Saints finished first in passing yards despite finishing 25th in rushing. Brees was sacked 26 times which was the second most of his career. You couldn't be more wrong but have the nerve to question the football intellect of others...hilarious!

 

[big dog cowboy]

Whichever teams wins this year's Superbowl, it won't be because their OL provided the most effective running game.

Now that would make an interesting poll question.

 

[KJJ]

Even if you have a great offensive line and running game you're not going to pass the ball consistenlty with the likes of someone like Carr, Johnson, or the likes.

No kidding they're average QB's which is why Carr is carrying a clipboard and Johnson has been out of the league for several years.

 

[Rockport]

Maybe. Though teams have done pretty well with the Alex Smith's of the world when they just play good pass defense. But the point I was really making is that running the ball effectively doesn't really help a good QB throw the ball all the more effectively. It seems like it does, but it doesn't.

The important exception to this is goal line/short yardage rushing, where it's a measurable advantage. This team *has* had red zone offense problems for years, and that's a bigger problem than our problems with running the ball overall.

Running the ball consistently well absolutely does help a good QB throw the ball more effectively. This is just common sense. Again, if you can't run the ball the defense can just play rush 3 or 4 and play the pass. And the only way to be consistently effective in the red zone is by being able to run the ball. Again, for the same reason. This is just common football sense.

 

[Rockport]

You have no explanation. The Cowboys ranked 31st in rushing and Romo was sacked 36 times but the team was 3rd in passing yards. The Saints finished first in passing yards despite finishing 25th in rushing. Brees was sacked 26 times which was the second most of his career. You couldn't be more wrong but have the nerve to question the football intellect of others...hilarious!

Romo put up big yards between the 20's but once in the red zone we struggled because teams knew we couldn't run the ball. So in fact, you couldn't be more wrong. But we've seen you exhibit this time and time again.

 

[KJJ]

No, I disagree. We're not going to win the Super Bowl unless our offensive line can provide a running game and protect Romo.

Have you seen any signs that our OL can provide a running game and protect Romo? You claim you have a feeling the Cowboys are going to reach the SB this season what have you seen to give you that feeling?

 

[Idgit]

Running the ball consistently well absolutely does help a good QB throw the ball more effectively. This is just common sense. Again, if you can't run the ball the defense can just play rush 3 or 4 and play the pass. And the only way to be consistently effective in the red zone is by being able to run the ball. Again, for the same reason. This is just common football sense.

It's common sense, but it doesn't happen to be true. Teams defense based off of your offensive formations and personnel, not off of how effectively you run the ball. There are situations where every team wants and needs to run it, but the fact is, how well you run it in those situations isn't going to make you any more likely to win the game.

All you have to do is pass effectively, and stop the pass effectively. Actually, you don't even have to do that. You just have to be able to pass more effectively than the other guy does. It really isn't any more complicated than that, which is why trench play is not the deciding factor in who wins the playoff games.

 

[Rockport]

It's common sense, but it doesn't happen to be true. Teams defense based off of your offensive formations and personnel, not off of how effectively you run the ball. There are situations where every team wants and needs to run it, but the fact is, how well you run it in those situations isn't going to make you any more likely to win the game.

All you have to do is pass effectively, and stop the pass effectively. Actually, you don't even have to do that. You just have to be able to pass more effectively than the other guy does. It really isn't any more complicated than that, which is why trench play is not the deciding factor in who wins the playoff games.

I've read a lot of your posts on other subjects and you seem to be very knowledgable. However, you've really missed the boat on this one.

 

[Idgit]

I've read a lot of your posts on other subjects and you seem to be very knowledgable. However, you've really missed the boat on this one.

Thanks. I haven't got the time to continue now, but I think I'm still in the boat here, too. Thanks for the civil back-and-forth, though.

 

[KJJ]

Romo put up big yards between the 20's but once in the red zone we struggled because teams knew we couldn't run the ball. So in fact, you couldn't be more wrong. But we've seen you exhibit this time and time again.

According to you teams can't pass the ball more efficiently if they can't run the ball or protect the QB. A number of teams have proven that statement wrong. The Cowboys couldn't run the ball between the 20's which is why Romo put up big yards and a lot of the sacks he took were between the 20's. A lot of the struggles in the redzone were due to shooting ourselves in the foot with penalties that helped take us away from the running game.

Every point you try and make gets shot down like clay targets. You exhibit time and time again that you don't understand the game or know the team you root for. Anyone who has a feeling the Cowboys are going to reach the SB this season can't possibly have a clue what's going on with the team.

 

[Rockport]

According to you teams can't pass the ball more efficiently if they can't run the ball or protect the QB. A number of teams have proven that statement wrong. The Cowboys couldn't run the ball between the 20's which is why Romo put up big yards and a lot of the sacks he took were between the 20's. A lot of the struggles in the redzone were due to shooting ourselves in the foot with penalties that helped take us away from the running game.

Every point you try and make gets shot down like clay targets. You exhibit time and time again that you don't understand the game or know the team you root for. Anyone who has a feeling the Cowboys are going to reach the SB this season can't possibly have a clue what's going on with the team.

None of them have been shot down. Everything I've said is fact. You can't consistently score in the red zone unless you can pose both a good running and passing game to the defense. Dallas is a prime example of that. My belief the Cowboys are going to the Super Bowl is the homer in me coming out. It would take an amazing set of circumstances for that to happen. Lightening in a bottle as Jerry calls it.

 

[KJJ]

I've read enough posts to know that ESPN rules the thought process for many posters.

I've read enough posts to know that what rules the thought process of many posters here is their heart.

 

[KJJ]

None of them have been shot down. Everything I've said is fact. You can't consistently score in the red zone unless you can pose both a good running and passing game to the defense. Dallas is a prime example of that. My belief the Cowboys are going to the Super Bowl is the homer in me coming out. It would take an amazing set of circumstances for that to happen. Lightening in a bottle as Jerry calls it.

After having everything you said shot down about a team not being able to pass the ball more efficiently if they can't run the ball or protect the QB.you've now changed course to you can't consistently score in the redzone unless you pose both a good running and passing game to the defense. LOL I said the other day it was the FAN in you calling for a SB appearance this season. A lot of things you say are the FAN in you coming out that's your problem.

 

[Rockport]

After having everything you said shot down about a team not being able to pass the ball more efficiently if they can't run the ball or protect the QB.you've now changed course to you can't consistently score in the redzone unless you pose both a good running and passing game to the defense. LOL I said the other day it was the FAN in you calling for a SB appearance this season. A lot of things you say are the FAN in you coming out that's your problem.

Well, I'd rather be an optimist than someone like you who hates Romo and takes any opportunity to bash him whether he deserves it or not.