Does Jerry have an obligation to the fans?

[Hostile]

Well...perhaps. We don't know that.

I would like to think most business owners feel they have an obligation to put a good product into the market place...but I'm sure the lines get hazed at times...the balance is always between making money and putting out a quality product. Some see those as mutually exclusive.

I think it's always important to define the product. Is it to have a winning team? Is it to provide the best entertainment? What business is Jerry in, the entertainment business, or the business of winning football? Surely they aren't mutually exclusive BUT that said, the Cardinals performed much better than the Cowboys with regard to what they achieved on the field...yet, no one for a second thinks they'll take in more money than the Cowboys. Why? Because the Cowboys are entertainment. The Cardinals just play football.

I do feel like we know that. Some of us are just so pissed off that we don't want to see it.

Cowboys fans have a myriad of opinions of the right and wrong ways to do stuff. Would you agree? I think you will. This fan base is not in 100% agreement on the subject of any player. Even great players have detractors.

Jerry has an opinion on this too and he and his staff run the team per their collective reasoning and plans. He clearly is not sitting back saying, "hey, whatever you guys want is fine with me. I've got a big new stadium and merchandise and tickets sales are fine. Win or lose, we're good."

So we can sit here and say that because Jerry Jones doesn't see every operation the way we personally do that he doesn't get it or doesn't care or doesn't feel an obligation. We can do that all day long. Jerry won't fire Wade and hire Shanahan like I want, so I don't think he sees his obligation to the fans and the team. I can say that. It doesn't mean I am right. It just means Jerry and I have differing opinions on the right way to proceed with the 2009 season.

It is literally just differences of opinion that makes us believe he must not care. Even two media members who dog him constantly admitted in the interview of him over the Reeves walk out admitted on the air that no one feels the pressure of needing to win more than he does. His harshest public critics admit that. You don't feel pressure without feeling obligation. It can't be done.

 

[Juke99]

I do feel like we know that. Some of us are just so pissed off that we don't want to see it.

Cowboys fans have a myriad of opinions of the right and wrong ways to do stuff. Would you agree? I think you will. This fan base is not in 100% agreement on the subject of any player. Even great players have detractors.

Jerry has an opinion on this too and he and his staff run the team per their collective reasoning and plans. He clearly is not sitting back saying, "hey, whatever you guys want is fine with me. I've got a big new stadium and merchandise and tickets sales are fine. Win or lose, we're good."

So we can sit here and say that because Jerry Jones doesn't see every operation the way we personally do that he doesn't get it or doesn't care or doesn't feel an obligation. We can do that all day long. Jerry won't fire Wade and hire Shanahan like I want, so I don't think he sees his obligation to the fans and the team. I can say that. It doesn't mean I am right. It just means Jerry and I have differing opinions on the right way to proceed with the 2009 season.

It is literally just differences of opinion that makes us believe he must not care. Even two media members who dog him constantly admitted in the interview of him over the Reeves walk out admitted on the air that no one feels the pressure of needing to win more than he does. His harshest public critics admit that. You don't feel pressure without feeling obligation. It can't be done.

Uh...I don't disagree with what you wrote here...but I think you're lumping me in with a crowd that can't see straight because I don't like Jerry.

My point was, he maybe be busting his hump to meet his "obligation" to the fans. My question to any business owner when I consult is, "What is your product?" You'd be amazed at how often they stumble all over when answering.

So, if Jerry sees the obligation as meeting the fans desire for entertainment he'll try to meet that obligation. If he sees it as putting a winning team on the field, he'll try to meet that. If he sees it as a combination, which is my take on how he sees things, then he'll try to do that. The question is, can that be done without compromising one or the other?

The Schramm Cowboys were able to blend the two.

 

[Hostile]

Uh...I don't disagree with what you wrote here...but I think you're lumping me in with a crowd that can't see straight because I don't like Jerry.

My point was, he maybe be busting his hump to meet his "obligation" to the fans. My question to any business owner when I consult is, "What is your product?" You'd be amazed at how often they stumble all over when answering.

So, if Jerry sees the obligation as meeting the fans desire for entertainment he'll try to meet that obligation. If he sees it as putting a winning team on the field, he'll try to meet that. If he sees it as a combination, which is my take, then he'll try to do that. The question is, can that be done without compromising one or the other?

The Schramm Cowboys were able to blend the two.

No, I was trying to describe everybody and even incriminated myself. I openly said I want Wade gone and Shanahan here.

I think Jerry is about winning. I really do. I give him credit for that.

 

[LittleD]

Jerry Jones will never change and the Cowboys will now become the successor to the Oakland Raiders. Jerry is an "Ego Maniacal Windbag" and the Cowboys are going to be the laughing stock of the NFL until he dies or turns over the reigns to his son who might bring in a "Football Man" to run this team.

Jerry could spend another Gazzillion dollars on this collection of so called "Talent" and they still wouldn't sniff the Super Bowl. It takes a "Team" to win the big one, not a collection of "Me Me" players who only care about seeing their names in light.

Sorry boys, if you want to follow real teams then say goodbye to Dallas and head over to Pittsburg or New England.:bang2:

 

[Juke99]

No, I was trying to describe everybody and even incriminated myself. I openly said I want Wade gone and Shanahan here.

I think Jerry is about winning. I really do. I give him credit for that.

I think Jerry is about winning AND entertainment.

I think he runs into a problem when he doesn't strike the right balance between the two.

 

[dbair1967]

This is what Jerry doesnt get:

1) He firmly believe a team of "stars", "headline grabbers" and "controversy" = MORE MONEY

2) He doesnt understand that WINNING= MORE MONEY

You would think this would be a simple concept for him to grasp, but I think he has proven beyond a doubt that he doesnt get it. When he says stuff like he doesnt care if the news on the Cowboys is positive or negative as long as they are in the news, he is proving it beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[dbair1967]

I think Jerry is about winning AND entertainment.

I think he runs into a problem when he doesn't strike the right balance between the two.

WINNING is ENTERTAINMENT

I think Jerry's lost sight of that.

 

[Next_years_Champs]

I liked how he took a grab at credit for the Jimmy and Billy eras in that recent interview about Reeves. He's so transparent.

One highlight I see from the 92 season which made me wince when I saw it live and still does.

When Jerry and Jimmy were both holding the Lombardi Trophy and I assume some news people said hold it up higher (my speculation they could have just decided to put it over their heads) and Jerry just ripped it out of Jimmy's hand and held it over his head. I could tell that humiliated Jimmy in a big way and in my opinion was so uncalled for. That has always stuck in my gut although I've never mentioned it here.

 

[Apollo Creed]

I think Jerry is about winning AND entertainment.

I think he runs into a problem when he doesn't strike the right balance between the two.

Well said. But its been over 14 years since an entertaining team has won the Super Bowl.

 

[RoadRunner]

Hate to break it to ya but winning is his personal agenda.......he wants the Cowboys to win more than any fan here

No, he really doesn't. The proof is that he is still GM after 13 years of suckage. Before you try and refute this just ask yourself this, would Jerry have fired another person for the same level of failure if he had hired them to be GM? Be honest.

 

[Bleu Star]

You may hate Jerry Jones, but he has assembled a ton of talent on this team. We have the talent to win a superbowl as we sit now. But it won't happen when your coach won't hold anyone accountable and runs a soft team. Leadership is the problem with the cowboys. prossman

On the nosey.

 

[coogrfan]

thats your opinion and you would be wrong....what would you call the BP era?

An aberration?

 

[Cowboys2008]

Winning equals Money. That's his personal business formula. No money was ever made for him out of a dry, yet prospective, oil well. Nor was he making most of his money out of oil wells that everybody else already knew about. He was taking chances. The thing most truly successful businessmen do.

It's the same with the Cowboys. So why on the earth would Jerry Jones, one of the most successful businessmen to ever run an NFL team, just do what the other guys are doing and just tap a familar, well known, "oil well"? He's going to eye a winner in his own way and then just go for it. That's the way he's made his money, so why stop now?

And what, you don't trust one of the most successful businessmen in this entire country with this team? Who would you rather have, someone less successful?

You can "love" your team all you want, but if you're running a "semi-productive" business than really all you're doing is boarder-lining bankruptcy- and especially in todays economic climate. And how is that "owning" for the fans?

You can toss the Packers' name out as an example, but truly in my most honest opinion, I think if these economic times crash down on an organization first, I believe it will be the Green Bay Packers. And their unclear business infrastructure will be the main cause of it. For their fans or not. And can't really be "for the fans" if you're not even in business anymore.

Times are already getting hard up here in GB, let the paper companies start laying people off and I can't imagine how much longer people in this area will continue being supportive of this ******* step-child we're all entitled to financially be responsible for will last. The Green Bay Packers are already starting to run their course on this area and we're just peaking into hard times. What do you think goes first in most GB area tax-payers eyes, education for their kids, food on their table, utilities bills paid or their yearly tax-time donation to the Green Bay Packers? And that's regardless of whichever "model" NFL Franchise they are running or not. But with someone like a Jerry Jones in clear control and ownership, it's not even a question.

I'll take the Dallas Cowboys stabile over instability and uncertainty, everyday of the week. Best chance for my kids to grow up and love this thing I love so much. Win, lose or tie, I want to be a Cowboy fan until I die. And the only way that happens is for them to survive and be here.

Basically I will take what I can get for I truly don't believe all 32 teams will make it out of the next 10 years alive. This is the time above all that we need to be supportive of a Jerry Jones, cause honestly we don't know what any other lackluster owner might give us, but with Jerry we do know. He would fall on a sword before losing this company he owns!

 

[PullMyFinger]

Winning equals Money. That's his personal business formula. No money was ever made for him out of a dry, yet prospective, oil well. Nor was he making most of his money out of oil wells that everybody else already knew about. He was taking chances. The thing most truly successful businessmen do.

It's the same with the Cowboys. So why on the earth would Jerry Jones, one of the most successful businessmen to ever run an NFL team, just do what the other guys are doing and just tap a familar, well known, "oil well"? He's going to eye a winner in his own way and then just go for it. That's the way he's made his money, so why stop now?

And what, you don't trust one of the most successful businessmen in this entire country with this team? Who would you rather have, someone less successful?

You can "love" your team all you want, but if you're running a "semi-productive" business than really all you're doing is boarder-lining bankruptcy- and especially in todays economic climate. And how is that "owning" for the fans?

You can toss the Packers' name out as an example, but truly in my most honest opinion, I think if these economic times crash down on an organization first, I believe it will be the Green Bay Packers. And their unclear business infrastructure will be the main cause of it. For their fans or not. And can't really be "for the fans" if you're not even in business anymore.

Times are already getting hard up here in GB, let the paper companies start laying people off and I can't imagine how much longer people in this area will continue being supportive of this ******* step-child we're all entitled to financially be responsible for will last. The Green Bay Packers are already starting to run their course on this area and we're just peaking into hard times. What do you think goes first in most GB area tax-payers eyes, education for their kids, food on their table, utilities bills paid or their yearly tax-time donation to the Green Bay Packers? And that's regardless of whichever "model" NFL Franchise they are running or not. But with someone like a Jerry Jones in clear control and ownership, it's not even a question.

I'll take the Dallas Cowboys stabile over instability and uncertainty, everyday of the week. Best chance for my kids to grow up and love this thing I love so much. Win, lose or tie, I want to be a Cowboy fan until I die. And the only way that happens is for them to survive and be here.

Basically I will take what I can get for I truly don't believe all 32 teams will make it out of the next 10 years alive. This is the time above all that we need to be supportive of a Jerry Jones, cause honestly we don't know what any other lackluster owner might give us, but with Jerry we do know. He would fall on a sword before losing this company he owns!

WOW! That was a pretty good post.

 

[Doomsday]

If Jerry truly was doing everything to produce a winner and he truly wasnt more concearned about stroking his ego he would of learned from Parcells that is important for a head coach to be surrounded by people he trusts and can work with.

Hiring an offensive coordinator before the head coach is a joke. Maybe Jerry doesnt see it but his constant undermining of his coaches will NEVER produce a winner.

 

[Hostile]

I think Jerry is about winning AND entertainment.

I think he runs into a problem when he doesn't strike the right balance between the two.

Agree 100%.

 

[T-RO]

Jerry ISN'T happy with the Cowboys winning a Super Bowl.

Jones is only happy if the Cowboys win the Super Bowl and everybody credits him as football god that made it happen.

We have all the evidence we need about that. He kicked Jimmy out and sabotaged the teams' success because he felt like Jimmy was getting too much credit.

We have absolute proof he cares MORE for his own ego than he does the Cowboys success.

Then he does dumb ****tt like insisting PacMan start when the rookies were better and Crayton was doing more in returns-----all to cover his own arse.

Jerry doesn't care most about winning. He cares most about himself.

 

[T-RO]

A. You can buy the team from Jerry and run it yourself.
B. You can go find another team or boycott the Boyz.
C. You can shut the hell up and hope for the best.


I've chosen 2.

But I think whoever tried to circumscribe these as the only options is a lame censor.

If we are playing that game I say if you love the Cowboys you have one option:
A. Rail on Jerry Jones endlessly.

 

[RoadRunner]

What you should really be asking yourselves is this:

Does a business have an obligation to their consumer base?

The answer is a resounding yes, or that business loses money.

 

[BigDFan5]

A. You can buy the team from Jerry and run it yourself.
B. You can go find another team or boycott the Boyz.
C. You can shut the hell up and hope for the best.


I've chosen 2.

But I think whoever tried to circumscribe these as the only options is a lame censor.

If we are playing that game I say if you love the Cowboys you have one option:
A. Rail on Jerry Jones endlessly.

If you chose 2 why are you here