Does the Mingo trade say anything about the development of Tolbert?

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Tolbert was our 3rd round pick a few years ago. I'm assuming they feel he hasn't lived up to take over that #2 WR spot opposite of Lamb to help us in the passing game. Does the trade for Mingo say anything about Tolbert, or more about the depth we have in this WR room?? Please give your thoughts
 

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I don't think we needed the Mingo trade to tell us that Tolbert isnt a #2WR, the tape speaks for itself. Solid depth/rotational guy who has some natural instincts in playing the ball, but overall is not talented enough of a player to count on as a starter going into 2025. Going into the final year of his deal Tolbert could be closer to a candidate to be cut/traded than he would be breaking into the starting lineup if a new coaching staff is brought in.
 

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Tolbert was our 3rd round pick a few years ago. I'm assuming they feel he hasn't lived up to take over that #2 WR spot opposite of Lamb to help us in the passing game. Does the trade for Mingo say anything about Tolbert, or more about the depth we have in this WR room?? Please give your thoughts
Nope. You need 5 receivers. Might say we don’t trade one next year….
 

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It's pretty straightforward. They saw an opportunity to get a 2nd round talent for a 4th round pick, and we need wrs.
we don't need them that bad for a season that isn't going anywhere, when we had the chance to get one, we "LIKED our guys too much and were all in!"
 

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Tolbert is not worthy of another contract. That much is absolutely clear.
No speed. No quickness. Not an explosive route runner. His impact has been extremely minimal. He cannot get separation. He is not a reliable deep threat. If we scheme him open and the ball is there, he will catch it most of the time, but he has also shown no YAC ability.

Your #1 and #2 should be guys who can beat man coverage and are reliable in reading zone. They don’t both need to be deep threats, but they should both be reliable contributors who bring something special to the offense — a deep threat, explosive route runner, YAC with ball in hands, reliable possession receiver, speed that the defense respects, something.

#3 in today’s game should also be a very good player. A guy who can beat the #3 CB and expose safeties, move the chains, abuse defenses for pay8ng too much attention to #1 and #2.

#4 and #5 should be developmental players who provide something when they give guys a break, maybe as simple as being good blockers or having great hands.

What we have is a top #1 who is a threat with the ball in his hands, but isn’t a speed guy and sometimes struggles with double coverage. After him, we basically have guys without any special skills outside of Turpin speed and quickness. Cooks would be much more effective at this point of his career in the slot, using his knowledge to beat #3 CBs.
 

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Tolbert is not worthy of another contract. That much is absolutely clear.
No speed. No quickness. Not an explosive route runner. His impact has been extremely minimal. He cannot get separation. He is not a reliable deep threat. If we scheme him open and the ball is there, he will catch it most of the time, but he has also shown no YAC ability.

Your #1 and #2 should be guys who can beat man coverage and are reliable in reading zone. They don’t both need to be deep threats, but they should both be reliable contributors who bring something special to the offense — a deep threat, explosive route runner, YAC with ball in hands, reliable possession receiver, speed that the defense respects, something.

#3 in today’s game should also be a very good player. A guy who can beat the #3 CB and expose safeties, move the chains, abuse defenses for pay8ng too much attention to #1 and #2.

#4 and #5 should be developmental players who provide something when they give guys a break, maybe as simple as being good blockers or having great hands.

What we have is a top #1 who is a threat with the ball in his hands, but isn’t a speed guy and sometimes struggles with double coverage. After him, we basically have guys without any special skills outside of Turpin speed and quickness. Cooks would be much more effective at this point of his career in the slot, using his knowledge to beat #3 CBs.
How much YAC can you get running curls??? I mean I saw AJ Brown do it somehow, so I guess it's possible. In his last year he'll have 1203 yards and 11 TD's and we'll end up giving him a new deal
 

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If Carolina of all teams thought Mingo was 2nd round talent then by all means buy into it ?


:facepalm:
 

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Tolbert was our 3rd round pick a few years ago. I'm assuming they feel he hasn't lived up to take over that #2 WR spot opposite of Lamb to help us in the passing game. Does the trade for Mingo say anything about Tolbert, or more about the depth we have in this WR room?? Please give your thoughts
It says that they got a receiver that can contribute in a variety of ways on a rookie contract.
 

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Tolbert was our 3rd round pick a few years ago. I'm assuming they feel he hasn't lived up to take over that #2 WR spot opposite of Lamb to help us in the passing game. Does the trade for Mingo say anything about Tolbert, or more about the depth we have in this WR room?? Please give your thoughts
Sure. That Tolbert lacks the ability to create separation. It was in his scouting report. Coogleymoogley, it was your job to get Jerry a copy. Were you frolicking w/ butterflies again instead of catering to Jerry?
 

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Tolbert has proven to be a jag and they need a WR and probably won’t have the luxury of drafting one high.

So Mingo wasn’t a terrible pick because he has upside, needs less development, and he’s cheap.
 

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Tolbert is not worthy of another contract. That much is absolutely clear.
No speed. No quickness. Not an explosive route runner. His impact has been extremely minimal. He cannot get separation. He is not a reliable deep threat. If we scheme him open and the ball is there, he will catch it most of the time, but he has also shown no YAC ability.

Your #1 and #2 should be guys who can beat man coverage and are reliable in reading zone. They don’t both need to be deep threats, but they should both be reliable contributors who bring something special to the offense — a deep threat, explosive route runner, YAC with ball in hands, reliable possession receiver, speed that the defense respects, something.

#3 in today’s game should also be a very good player. A guy who can beat the #3 CB and expose safeties, move the chains, abuse defenses for pay8ng too much attention to #1 and #2.

#4 and #5 should be developmental players who provide something when they give guys a break, maybe as simple as being good blockers or having great hands.

What we have is a top #1 who is a threat with the ball in his hands, but isn’t a speed guy and sometimes struggles with double coverage. After him, we basically have guys without any special skills outside of Turpin speed and quickness. Cooks would be much more effective at this point of his career in the slot, using his knowledge to beat #3 CBs.
This 100%!!!

Tolbert sucks. Another wasted draft pick and roster spot.

Mingo is just as bad. Another wasted draft pick.

Jerry and his draft crew absolutely SUCK at drafting and making trades! Definitely amongst the worst in the NFL, hence why this team struggles every year.
 

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Tolbert has proven to be a jag and they need a WR and probably won’t have the luxury of drafting one high.

So Mingo wasn’t a terrible pick because he has upside, needs less development, and he’s cheap.
He was a pretty bad pick.
 
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